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SP said..
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Like that old saying.

A Tradesman never blames his tools..

Most times I am the tool.

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SP said..
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Like that old saying.

A Tradesman never blames his tools..

Most times I am the tool.

Haha.
I seriously reckon your post was spot on.
Find something your comfortable on and then work on getting better.

I agree,

I have bought and sold a few boards in the last year. Most were not big enough for my skill set.

I have the 9.3 Whalebone and love it so I will just focus on riding that board as much as possible and get better on that.

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Macaha said...

vanders1 said..

chrispy said..

Locky24 said...

vanders1 said..
I love having guys in the water around me surfing boards with too little volume, more waves for me.

Thats what happens when too many people take advice from the local 16 yo shreader that works at the local board store.

Or listens to all the board experts in the carpark.... Never shaped a board in their lives,I catch way more waves than them.......and they still want to tell me I'm riding the wrong board

Yeah the last conversation I had with the shaper resulted in him suggesting I don't reduce the volume as much as what I was suggesting, who am I to argue.........

Guilty of been a carpark expert venue was the coffee club and if I recall the conversation we were discussing a more HP board than your current Whalebone.
A couple questions
When was the last time the shapers saw you surf?
Your a hell of a lot lighter than you were when your current WB was made for you?
Whats the difference in volume and dims between your HL verses the HL?
Vanders time to go wild IMHO

I know you love your Whalebone but your a totally different guy than you were back then.
Your a tall bugger908 x ? x ? would be a good start and as I said pull the tail in as well as the nose.
I'd be happy if SDR named this new model The Fang Machine

Expert advise maybe not but those questions need to be asked.

I have not laughed so much in ages

mac I was there the day vanders was talking to del,and all your questions were answered nicely by vanders. the main thing I got out of it was that del is going to really thin the rails out,will even be nice on a sucky beachy.

the main thing is that the post you put up,i think you really need to ask yourself those questions. or take vanders advice and surf more and improve. seriously a 1/4 here and this and the other is not going to make a hell of a lot of difference on the boards your riding. you have this thing in your head that your a big unit,and your not. you should be on way smaller and refined boards imo

I hear you Chrispy is that advice from you and Vanders or Steve
GT has been saying the same thing to me over the past few months,I guess I got sucked into the go big thing for a while,you know easy paddle blah blah.
My questions to Vanders are just,reason being his boards all seem similar in size and what not,just different models,hence my questions to the rider of those
boards

Been think'n about this for a long time, didn't want to say anything because we all know that no self respecting hot surfer would ever dream of riding a board as thick as 2 railway sleepers nailed together. But most of us aren't hot surfers, I've surfed with many of you, and we all cope well, but most of us are just weekend warriors.

I've been looking at my own experience, if I overestimate my ability and order a board too thin, like my second last nose rider, it turns into a very unhappy experience simply because I can't catch waves and I may never go back to that maker again, even though it was not his fault.

So when I ordered the hot log from Del, I made sure he gave me every CC the blank could possibly provide, he was even surprised at the amount of thickness he got out of it once he removed the scab, and I'm now I catching waves and I'm happy as a pig in poo.

There's a young guy at our local break who made his own longboard, it's as strange looking as anything you're ever likely to see, volume everywhere, nose to tail, I swear all he did was take off the scab, cut a plan shape, sand the rails and glassed her. He rips all day every day, gets more waves than anyone and only 2 days ago, I saw him at the local on a standard longboard, he was just another weekend hack fighting for a wave with the rest of us.

Here's a vid of a similar experiment in the islands, they basically glassed a bog stock blank, even left the stencil on it.



As far as I'm concerned, for me, and probably the majority of us, volume is everything.

Well said obct,

All my friends ride shortboards and they are always telling me just get a fish if you want volume. They just don't understand. Plus once it gets to 4ft im probably not going to go out so why wouldn't I ride an LB and get lots of waves. Catching waves= having fun.

Next gen boards will have a volume control knob. True story!

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Next gen boards will have a volume control knob. True story!

like on the 666 boards? but what happens when the kook control knobs fall in the water?

I couldn't help myself on Saturday. Inconsistent 3-4' and 15 people on the inside peak of my local reef. All younger and on smaller boards so I couldn't help myself. I didn't recognise any of them and showed no mercy. I went and sat out the back and was popping to my feet after stroking in from out the back. Loved the extra volume my 7'x3"x20" gave me. I made a pig of myself and got a few barrels. I let waves go through for sure, but I got a wave every second set.

Mmmmmmmm.........volume.........my friend........

I think some of you are missing my point,sure you need volume but how much is too much
Most of you may be around the 70 or 80 kg mark,I'm referring to 105 to 110 kgs.A semi fit
guy should be able to get away with no more than 3 1/8 on a HP or 3 1/4 on a log say on 906
boards. Any thicker and your going to have no rails biting in.

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Macaha said...
I think some of you are missing my point,sure you need volume but how much is too much
Most of you may be around the 70 or 80 kg mark,I'm referring to 105 to 110 kgs.A semi fit
guy should be able to get away with no more than 3 1/8 on a HP or 3 1/4 on a log say on 906
boards.

On hp board I think 2/34 would be better. Anything over 9"1 can't be a hp longboard

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Macaha said...
I think some of you are missing my point,sure you need volume but how much is too much
Most of you may be around the 70 or 80 kg mark,I'm referring to 105 to 110 kgs.A semi fit
guy should be able to get away with no more than 3 1/8 on a HP or 3 1/4 on a log say on 906
boards.

On hp board I think 2/34 would be better. Anything over 9"1 can't be a hp longboard

Pending on riders height and weight,if I was 80 kgs your above comment would be the go

you've got to want the rail to go in

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Macaha said...

chrispy said..

Macaha said...
I think some of you are missing my point,sure you need volume but how much is too much
Most of you may be around the 70 or 80 kg mark,I'm referring to 105 to 110 kgs.A semi fit
guy should be able to get away with no more than 3 1/8 on a HP or 3 1/4 on a log say on 906
boards.

On hp board I think 2/34 would be better. Anything over 9"1 can't be a hp longboard

Pending on riders height and weight,if I was 80 kgs your above comment would be the go

I'm 95 and i would go even less

95 welcome to the big boys club

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Macaha said..
95 welcome to the big boys club

Wow - family life sure has been good to you

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Ted the Kiwi said..

Macaha said..
95 welcome to the big boys club

Wow - family life sure has been good to you

Its been real good to me

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Macaha said..

Ted the Kiwi said..

Macaha said..
95 welcome to the big boys club

Wow - family life sure has been good to you

Its been real good to me

hey get a big low fat Mango up you old cock

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Ted the Kiwi said..

Macaha said..
95 welcome to the big boys club

Wow - family life sure has been good to you

Its been real good to me

Well I'm not anymore.

I am moving to a full health kick diet in a few weeks. In the meantime I keep having to go to farewell events and drink beer and eat fine food. Plus the surf is going to be crap all week. Looks like I will be in need of the lifestyle change sooner rather than later ! No more Tooheys New either - ouch

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Ted the Kiwi said...
I am moving to a full health kick diet in a few weeks. In the meantime I keep having to go to farewell events and drink beer and eat fine food. Plus the surf is going to be crap all week. Looks like I will be in need of the lifestyle change sooner rather than later ! No more Tooheys New either - ouch

I have not been healthier in years. Stop smoking was my greatest achievement. I went to the doc and said how am I turning into a fat ****. She said my metabolism changed after being good. It's all going back to normal now.



Except in this heat I'm smashing the frothy ones hard

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chrispy said..

Macaha said...
I think some of you are missing my point,sure you need volume but how much is too much
Most of you may be around the 70 or 80 kg mark,I'm referring to 105 to 110 kgs.A semi fit
guy should be able to get away with no more than 3 1/8 on a HP or 3 1/4 on a log say on 906
boards.

On hp board I think 2/34 would be better. Anything over 9"1 can't be a hp longboard

Loving this thread... Volume seems to be a subjective thing and totally driven by personal experience vs the wave you ride vs your daily driver.
Me, I am 6'3" and 92kg and spend most of my time on a 6'6" x 2,3/4 x 21 shorty so....when I get back on my long boards I find my 9'3 x 22,2/34 x 2,3/4 a beast and mega paddle power, this board was bought as my "HP" longboard to replace something I thought was to small...today I ride it more as a small wave board or when I really lazy.
My "HP" board in LB style now is a 9.0 x 23 x 2,1/2 pin tail....the bloody thing rocks (Now that I can surf better than when i first bought it). Originally I thought it too small but now when I get the right wave....LOVE it.
So, for my over inflated ego driven opinion dip sh!t style opinion,.....yep volume is your friend, but is very relative to wave ability and daily ride.
cheers and beers all

yes the pin tail is the only HP tail there should be.

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chrispy said...

Macaha said...
I think some of you are missing my point,sure you need volume but how much is too much
Most of you may be around the 70 or 80 kg mark,I'm referring to 105 to 110 kgs.A semi fit
guy should be able to get away with no more than 3 1/8 on a HP or 3 1/4 on a log say on 906
boards.

On hp board I think 2/34 would be better. Anything over 9"1 can't be a hp longboard

Give this a run For a volume comparison

surfshopsaustralia.com.au/surfboard-fins/fcs-2-surfboard-fins/


You can even click through and have a look at what boards are that volume in their shop.

Its a fantasy


ya got to get those rails in the water because ya not surfing floating around are ya

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Macaha said..
yes the pin tail is the only HP tail there should be.

haha didn't you have a square tail hp most of the hp's i see are rounded pins

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Macaha said...
Its a fantasy


ya got to get those rails in the water because ya not surfing floating around are ya

I can float on an upturned bucket doesn't mean I'm getting a 10 litre surfboard.

Maybe double the reps on legs Thursday's if your having trouble sinking a rail

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SP said..

Give this a run For a volume comparison

surfshopsaustralia.com.au/surfboard-fins/fcs-2-surfboard-fins/


You can even click through and have a look at what boards are that volume in their shop.

Interesting approach. I had a quick look at a couple of options just then. What confused me was that they want me riding a mid-length the same volumes. Even though I do not yet own one yet I want one that has a bit more volume in them. On the whole I found that a pretty useful exercise - a better approach than a few of the other volume calculators I have tried.

Thanks SP.

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SP said..

Macaha said...
Its a fantasy


ya got to get those rails in the water because ya not surfing floating around are ya

I can float on an upturned bucket doesn't mean I'm getting a 10 litre surfboard.

Maybe double the reps on legs Thursday's if your having trouble sinking a rail

Ha I skip leg day and theres more than enough meat there to sink anything