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leashless said..


I am sooo torn on what I want as the next board - between a Creative Army noserider and a glider... I think the glider is coming up the winner at the moment! ! !

There's some Glider action in this vid from about the 2.52 mark... Interesting to see how it goes in similar waves to the 10ft noserider that's being ridden at the start of the clip by the same guy. Food for thought, Leashless. It has me swinging back towards the 10fter, but then it's just one clip.... Maybe get both.

Cyrus's 4 day California road trip to get some waves during January 2014's run of clean surf.Surfboards ridden in order10' Noserider by Ryan Burch
11'2" Glider by Ryan Burch
10' Log by Almond Surfboards
7'6" Quad by Jeff McCallum

My longboard quiver consists of a 9'6 Vouch Twin Keel for bigger waves, a 9'6 Sea Legged Noserider and the 10'9 Glider....all for different moods in both myself and the ocean on any given day and all very different sensations.

The 9'6 Sea Legged Noserider is an amazing board however totally different to the 10'9 Dead Kooks Glider.

Leashless, be honest about what stokes you and follow your gut feeling - if you want that trim feeling of sliding across a section at speed, crouching low, hand in the wave face type stuff, the Glider may be your choice (feels spiritual to me) but if you like feet movement to the nose and hands in the air stylin' IMO the noserider is the go....they are different styles of riding waves and that's the beauty of choosing a board that suits your own personality personality and style.

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surfanimal said..

Thanks for hijacking a post on Gliders with 6 straight posts on your boards and fins Roy.

Maybe consider starting a new topic on CJ Nelson or your Fins / Boards rather than smothering this topic next time.

Unless you've ridden the Dead Kooks 10'9, you cannot comment on 'how I can stand riding it' as I won't comment on your boards or fins as I won't ever ride either.

....shame, this topic had potential.

Bugger off I've been building and riding gliders for the past 20 years, some of the longest around too and am entitled to post on the subject, which I do honestly.

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vanders1 said..
Roy how hard is it to paddle onto the waves on those boards?

All good, of course that's a short answer to a question which refers to boards varying in length by 7 feet.

I'll post another video shortly... :)

Interesting Surfanimal that you say the big twinnie Vouch is for bigger waves; I have become interested in bigger boards after buying a 10' McTavish cruiser, and was considering a Vouch, but that Dead Kooks looks wonderful. What's it like in fuller, fatter crumblers?

SA, would you choose a crusader or the dead kooks?

Are they very different?

You haven't answered my question Roy.

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DaveBasher said..
Interesting Surfanimal that you say the big twinnie Vouch is for bigger waves; I have become interested in bigger boards after buying a 10' McTavish cruiser, and was considering a Vouch, but that Dead Kooks looks wonderful. What's it like in fuller, fatter crumblers?

The Dead Kooks is an absolute delight paddling into fuller waves and needs next to no wave momentum to start it's journey - the flat mid section and sheer length of it ensures it picks up it's own speed and it's a super 'soft' ride - it's a big old cadillac rolling along the highway feel.

They are different SP.

The Crusader has a really hard edge and is a straight shooter which excels in down the line waves - it seemed to like head high plus waves more than 2 footers and was more of a weapon than a cruiser (for me).

The Dead Kooks is a soft and rolled railer, very forgiving and almost has a secondary stability feel to it.

I've attached a pic of the Crusader on a wave down my way which I've ridden both boards on and I can describe the Crusader (in photo) as locking in and flying along the face whereas the Dead Kooks glides on and cushions into the curl for a joyful and blissful ride but without the rawness of the Crusader.

On the beach however, the Dead Kooks is much more forgiving and bounces off bumps where the Crusader was 'edgy'...again, that's just me and why surfing and opinions differ.

Hope those descriptions make sense ?

looks like i decided to check in at the right time. Well gliders yes well Devon Howard summed them up perfectly in my eyes (them as in 11ft plus). They are the hardest boards and the easiest boards to ride. Alot of people assume gliders are easy...they are not...sure they are easier in 1ft waves going straight but if you start going over say 3ft then you have to know what you are doing. I have 5 big boards now;

11'11 deadkooks

this board is personally i think my best 12fter.... i think because when people say 12 ft boards you automatically assume big, heavy, hard to turn boards....the reason i like what deadkooks is producing is because my red one is as light as most peoples 9'6...its quite thin for a 12ft board i think around 3 1/2 thick with super pinched rails....and narrow....i think from memory 23 3/4 from memory. My opionon is why this particular board works so well is what Eden has done in the tail...he has this perfect combination of roll and tail kick that enables people at 60kg to throw this board around easily.





next is my 12 ft mctavish redline.

this board is big...its 12ft x 25 x 4...3 layers of 8 ounce glass top and 2 on on the bottom with 1 inch cedar up the middle. comes in at about 25kgs.... this is the board that most people thing when they think 12fter. Its flat the whole way through with slight concave on the nose. It takes about 4 strokes to get the thing moving and achieve boat speed but once it goes goodluck stopping it. I havnt found many people that can handle this board aside from myself...it took me along time to master.














next is my second fav board is a 12ft Bear shaped by Brett munro

this board is 12'1 x4 1/4 x 25 3/4 (i think) but this board you will never realize its as big as it states. It has a perfect disbursement of foam from the center to the rail. The biggest plus for this board is the V in the tail...it enables the board to turn quite nicely and i run a huge D fin in this board it it works well.


this is the only photo i have of it..board in the middle of the 3











then there is my newly designed 11'6 fish...yet to ride it :)




i also have a 12 ft tom wegener which is a dog not going to even talk about it




my advice is start at 11ft...get it light...and some roll or vee in the tail...start in uncrowded areas and learn it and respect them for their size....

just to sum up...yes they can handle all conditions i have surfed mine from 1 ft wategos to 8 ft lennox and 8 ft arrawarra.. BUT you gotta know what your doing...it took me yrs, to what i feel, is mastering the big boards...you have to account for extreme angles when paddling into steep waves.... you have to enable more time to intiate a turn to walk backwards so your feet are in the right spot...you have to be able to comfortable cross step forward and back because some 12fters have particular trim spots and you need to walk to turn the board.... personally....you need to be able to ride comfortable without a legrope... because if you have a 12 ft legrope you then have 24ft of danger...even then because they are so big they will stretch the leg rope....you need to be able to grab a hold and handle your board when it comes to riding big boards....

no offense but it sorta ****s me all these people jumping on the glider bandwagon...yes they glide but **** me they come with 4x the responsibility compared to riding a 10fter.

just my 2 cents..... you gotta really want them....oh and dont bitch about the price tags

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BigSpazz said..
just to sum up...yes they can handle all conditions i have surfed mine from 1 ft wategos to 8 ft lennox and 8 ft arrawarra.. BUT you gotta know what your doing...it took me yrs, to what i feel, is mastering the big boards...you have to account for extreme angles when paddling into steep waves.... you have to enable more time to intiate a turn to walk backwards so your feet are in the right spot...you have to be able to comfortable cross step forward and back because some 12fters have particular trim spots and you need to walk to turn the board.... personally....you need to be able to ride comfortable without a legrope... because if you have a 12 ft legrope you then have 24ft of danger...even then because they are so big they will stretch the leg rope....you need to be able to grab a hold and handle your board when it comes to riding big boards....

no offense but it sorta ****s me all these people jumping on the glider bandwagon...yes they glide but **** me they come with 4x the responsibility compared to riding a 10fter.

just my 2 cents..... you gotta really want them....oh and dont bitch about the price tags

Well said mate, you make a lot of sense with that post as you suggest there needs to be a high level of respect and safety taken into concideration.

yer alot of people think...oh ill go out for a lovely glide on this big board......uh oh no way good sir

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vanders1 said..

BigSpazz said..
just to sum up...yes they can handle all conditions i have surfed mine from 1 ft wategos to 8 ft lennox and 8 ft arrawarra.. BUT you gotta know what your doing...it took me yrs, to what i feel, is mastering the big boards...you have to account for extreme angles when paddling into steep waves.... you have to enable more time to intiate a turn to walk backwards so your feet are in the right spot...you have to be able to comfortable cross step forward and back because some 12fters have particular trim spots and you need to walk to turn the board.... personally....you need to be able to ride comfortable without a legrope... because if you have a 12 ft legrope you then have 24ft of danger...even then because they are so big they will stretch the leg rope....you need to be able to grab a hold and handle your board when it comes to riding big boards....

no offense but it sorta ****s me all these people jumping on the glider bandwagon...yes they glide but **** me they come with 4x the responsibility compared to riding a 10fter.

just my 2 cents..... you gotta really want them....oh and dont bitch about the price tags

Well said mate, you make a lot of sense with that post as you suggest there needs to be a high level of respect and safety taken into concideration.

+1, Great summary Mick and Surfanimal, Loving those pics too...

I'm also keen but i'll master the 10'er before stepping up...

Interesting about the Tom Wegener too, you'd be bummed by that

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surfanimal said..
They are different SP.

The Crusader has a really hard edge and is a straight shooter which excels in down the line waves - it seemed to like head high plus waves more than 2 footers and was more of a weapon than a cruiser (for me).

The Dead Kooks is a soft and rolled railer, very forgiving and almost has a secondary stability feel to it.

I've attached a pic of the Crusader on a wave down my way which I've ridden both boards on and I can describe the Crusader (in photo) as locking in and flying along the face whereas the Dead Kooks glides on and cushions into the curl for a joyful and blissful ride but without the rawness of the Crusader.

On the beach however, the Dead Kooks is much more forgiving and bounces off bumps where the Crusader was 'edgy'...again, that's just me and why surfing and opinions differ.

Hope those descriptions make sense ?

Yes SA, great description. Just what i was after.

And thanks BS for adding your bit.

Looks like i'm getting a DK styled one made locally.

Being a lightweight mine will be a lot closer to 10 ft then 11.

Any suggestion for width and Thickness.

this one looks alright 2

www.surfysurfy.net/category/chris-christenson/

great post Bigspazz. loved the pic of greenough.

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smh said..

So what's wrong with trimming the board and stepping back onto the tail to turn before stepping forward to trim it or maybe running up to the nose ?

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It's ungainly, inefficient and time consuming ( taking longer than is necessary to get the job done is very inefficient) ... increasingly so as board length and weight increases.

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BigSpazz said..you have to account for extreme angles when paddling into steep waves.... you have to enable more time to intiate a turn to walk backwards so your feet are in the right spot...you have to be able to comfortable cross step forward and back because some 12fters have particular trim spots and you need to walk to turn the board.

None of this is true... these difficulties are not due to board length but to the shape of the board, so if you are experiencing them it's because of poor board design or because you prefer to make things difficult or don't mind doing so to achieve a particular style.

Of course I'm happy for everyone to keep riding the ice cream stick shapes, as it's nice to have an advantage, but my natural bent is to share information so there it is...

The shapes shown here are all extremely weight and length sensitive ( which will be why the Wegener 12 footer got a bad review, it's heavy) at 12 feet and over you'll have limited control unless the board is very light ( and even then actually)... whereas the shapes i make work just as well light or heavy ( like at 13 to 17 feet and up to 70 pounds in weight)... it'a all about the balance of the design and the pitch fulcrum.

It's ungainly, inefficient and time consuming in your eyes Roy . It's all a matter of opinion and how you ride.

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RoyStuart said...

smh said..

So what's wrong with trimming the board and stepping back onto the tail to turn before stepping forward to trim it or maybe running up to the nose ?

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It's ungainly, inefficient and time consuming ( taking longer than is necessary to get the job done is very inefficient) ... increasingly so as board length and weight

That is a terrible response in my eyes. Why did you not just say because you are to lazy to move ? The great man KS moves up and down on his boards and they are a third the size of yours so to me that is justification enough for why one should make adjustments to the stance. Now do not even get me started on style !

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smh said..

It's ungainly, inefficient and time consuming in your eyes Roy . It's all a matter of opinion and how you ride.

No, it's not just opinion it's a a blunt fact that it is time consuming and inefficient.

i was responding to a post which described the difficulties of surfing the kind of board being discussed, and simply pointed out that it's not necessary to experience these issues simply because the board is long.

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Ted the Kiwi said..

RoyStuart said...

smh said..

So what's wrong with trimming the board and stepping back onto the tail to turn before stepping forward to trim it or maybe running up to the nose ?

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It's ungainly, inefficient and time consuming ( taking longer than is necessary to get the job done is very inefficient) ... increasingly so as board length and weight

That is a terrible response in my eyes. Why did you not just say because you are to lazy to move ? The great man KS moves up and down on his boards and they are a third the size of yours so to me that is justification enough for why one should make adjustments to the stance. Now do not even get me started on style !

I do move and agjust my stance, but I don't make a fetish out of it by requiring a lengthy march as a matter of necessity. I design boards which are properly balanced so that one can turn and trim from the same area.... and yes it feels good.

Remember the article posted on the elements of style? Efficiency, economy of movement etc?

Of course dissent has never been allowed regarding the joy and beauty of stamping up and down the board....

In any case I'm happy for everyone to carry on as they are... but feel that if you were all secure in yourselves you'd at least allow yourself to see the point of view which I have instead of just parroting the same old board walking apologetics which seems to be pre programmed.

SHEEP ****

Thanks for the detailed posts Bigspazz....you made some interesting points.

Yes, they are big and bulky however I don't have that feeling on the 10'9 Dead Kooks at all - it really manouvres similarly to a 9'6 noserider and is exceptionally controlled.

I think your 12' is another thing all together however compared to the massive McTavish and Wegener, you'd find the Dead Kooks a breeze I'd imagine.

Interesting your 'lack of' comments on the Wegener. I had a wild time on my 10' Crusader but found a lot of his other longboards really 'dead' on the water and especially the 12' which was huge, huge, huge and just plain hard work.

These boards I agree are to be ridden in a considered fashion and not assumed to easy in any way but man, talk about fun !

I wanted to share these photo's again 'cause I just love them !

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Cobra said..
great post Bigspazz. loved the pic of greenough.

I agree , your the King of cool spazz

Looking forward to a ride report on teh big fish...what do the bottom contours look like?

i like what Macaha said this morning...alas it was wisked off into the ether minutes later!

Which has me wondering...did I even see it all?

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Cuttlefish said...
i like what Macaha said this morning...alas it was wisked off into the ether minutes later!

Which has me wondering...did I even see it all?

Yeah Mac deletes post all the time.
I read it and thought the same as you...

Was a Good post..

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surfanimal said..

I see your horrible ice cream stick and raise you this:


Fifteen years ago........ 12 feet of balsa.....












.. and more recently on the paulownia version od the same 12 footer:

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Cuttlefish said..
i like what Macaha said this morning...alas it was wisked off into the ether minutes later!

Which has me wondering...did I even see it all?

I deleted it,call it restraint.

But it went something like this.

I have no idea about these glide boards but have really enjoyed the topic until Mr Roy hi-hacked it and turned it into Roy Stuart pimp.
Shame on you Roy you never or rarely have anything positive to say about other shapers,its all about how wrong they are and how right
you are.The truth about your boards is plan for all to see,too much ****** rocker for a start no wonder you don't need to move on your boards
because they are like bananas,don't work,can't smash a lip,just a craft you choose to make and ride,good on you for that but please STOP bagging
other shapers,oh and STOP hi-jacking great threads and turning them into all about Roy threads.I suggest you pay some money and start advertising
on seabreeze,well thats one of the rules.Shame that my only contribution on this thread happens to be on the negative,As I said I know nothing about
these glide boards hence me saying fk all.

I too deleted a post yesterday.

It included a link to the definition of narcissism.

...but anyhow, I thought I was looking at photos of The Duke's toothpicks when I saw black and white images and extremely pointed 'boards'.

Come to think of it, show me a post Roy has added that doesn't mention his fins, boards or dare I say narcissistic comments ?

....now back to modern gliders please.

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Macaha said...

I deleted it,call it restraint.

But it went something like this.

I have no idea about these glide boards but have really enjoyed the topic until Mr Roy hi-hacked it and turned it into Roy Stuart pimp.
Shame on you Roy you never or rarely have anything positive to say about other shapers,its all about how wrong they are and how right
you are.The truth about your boards is plan for all to see,too much ****** rocker for a start no wonder you don't need to move on your boards
because they are like bananas,don't work,can't smash a lip,just a craft you choose to make and ride,good on you for that but please STOP bagging
other shapers,oh and STOP hi-jacking great threads and turning them into all about Roy threads.I suggest you pay some money and start advertising
on seabreeze,well thats one of the rules.Shame that my only contribution on this thread happens to be on the negative,As I said I know nothing about
these glide boards hence me saying fk all.