I just bought the Takuma 1600 foil with 75cm carbon mast. Haven't ridden it yet. I haven't heard anyone comment about the mast being too soft and flexy but it seemed that way to me. It is a lot flexier side to side than my GoFoil 24.5 inch mast which has a reputation of being too flexy, which is why they strengthened their 29.5 inch mast.
anyone else notice this? hopefully you can tell me I'm wrong.
In addition to the mast it seems like some flex is also coming from the fuselage to front wing mating junction which is still a little sloppy despite 3 screws being tightened down as tight as possible. tell me "don't worry it's going to be amazing"

I was trying to get a takuma in the states but heard that due to their efoil being too much like the lift e foil that the distributor didn't want to deal with a lawsuit so they dropped takuma. Not sure how much is true on it but I was at a trade show when one wheel came in and had copy's of their design taken down from the show. Maybe same company, new name for the states.

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nesterg said..
I just bought the Takuma 1600 foil with 75cm carbon mast. Haven't ridden it yet. I haven't heard anyone comment about the mast being too soft and flexy but it seemed that way to me. It is a lot flexier side to side than my GoFoil 24.5 inch mast which has a reputation of being too flexy, which is why they strengthened their 29.5 inch mast.
anyone else notice this? hopefully you can tell me I'm wrong.
In addition to the mast it seems like some flex is also coming from the fuselage to front wing mating junction which is still a little sloppy despite 3 screws being tightened down as tight as possible. tell me "don't worry it's going to be amazing"

I was a little worried about the flex in the mast as I was coming off Axis wings. I feel very little flex when I as riding the 1600 wing, it feels like a softer ride than the other wings but you are going faster

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nesterg said..
I just bought the Takuma 1600 foil with 75cm carbon mast. Haven't ridden it yet. I haven't heard anyone comment about the mast being too soft and flexy but it seemed that way to me. It is a lot flexier side to side than my GoFoil 24.5 inch mast which has a reputation of being too flexy, which is why they strengthened their 29.5 inch mast.
anyone else notice this? hopefully you can tell me I'm wrong.
In addition to the mast it seems like some flex is also coming from the fuselage to front wing mating junction which is still a little sloppy despite 3 screws being tightened down as tight as possible. tell me "don't worry it's going to be amazing"

Used some thin strips of aluminium tape on the fuselage where it goes into the wing and a strip where the mast goes into the fuselage and base plate. Made all the junctions nice and snug and improved the feeling of "flex" allot. (Had to do this on other la set ups). There still is some flex in the mast, but never felt it was a problem, more like theres some flex in the back end of a really nice steel hard-tail MTB.

I guess you get used to it but if you come from a super stiff mast like Axis, it will take time.

The feedback about the 1600 are really good, I tried and I could tell the wing was good but I'm so used to Axis stiff mast that it was hard for me to get the full potential of this foil.

I got to ride the Takuma 1600 today doing a 10 mile downwinder in the gorge (water temp 5.5 C)
I'm no longer concerned about the flex. I'm very happy with the foil. Initially, just trying to figure out, my first time on it, where the balance point is, I was too far back and it stalled abruptly a couple times until I adjusted. After that I was impressed with everything, great speed and glide. It can turn tight and quick and exits the turn with as much speed as you had going into the turn. lift is comparable to a much larger wing and had good slow speed performance. . Pumping was great with even small amplitude pumps resulting in acceleration allowing you to easily catch up to that next bump.
super relieved and happy with my purchase.
fyi: I don't have experience on many foils. I'm intermediate skill exclusively downwind. I'm about 67 kg

Is there a big difference between alu mast and carbon mast ? Obvioulsly the price, but what about performance ? weight ? flex ?

I've got the Ali & Carbon Takuma mast , weight wise the carbon is bit lighter and stiffer.The carbon is longer but also has a slight rake plus the slight flex is down near the fuse and not from the base ,this along with the raked/curved mast feels amazing in turns and very forgiving and stable. Really does make a difference craving and doing hard turns. The only time I use the Ali now is shallow water prone surfing or travelling as the carbon is all one piece like the Go Foil.

Just received delivery of LOL 1600 CARBON :)
It is a beauty.Very sharp trailing edges but easy to fix.
Weight is 3.89 kg assembled (without the foil to board screws).

In the manual it recommends the 1.5 mm shim,this shim would make the stab bite downwards less .

But in Sozzles review he says he rode it shimless as the shims felt like dragging seaweed...

I am a bit confused, shimless (more stab bite)should be more draggy+ lifty + slower + sketchier at higher speeds ,no?

If any other users of the 1600 (Alu or carbon) can comment on their experience with stab shim setup i would be grateful.

PS: I am 75kg ,85l Naish Ultra Hover Wingboard only flat water for now...

I would recommend using the shim, but try with and without and decide for yourself.
When you're after another boost in performance try the smaller tail (370).

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mcrt said..
Just received delivery of LOL 1600 CARBON :)
It is a beauty.Very sharp trailing edges but easy to fix.
Weight is 3.89 kg assembled (without the foil to board screws).

In the manual it recommends the 1.5 mm shim,this shim would make the stab bite downwards less .

But in Sozzles review he says he rode it shimless as the shims felt like dragging seaweed...

I am a bit confused, shimless (more stab bite)should be more draggy+ lifty + slower + sketchier at higher speeds ,no?

If any other users of the 1600 (Alu or carbon) can comment on their experience with stab shim setup i would be grateful.

PS: I am 75kg ,85l Naish Ultra Hover Wingboard only flat water for now...

Make sure you are clear on what the shim is actually doing.

If it's reducing the stabs downward angle (less bite) it will be faster with less drag but also less lift - so moving mast forward may be required.
If it's increasing downward angle, it will be slower/more drag/lift.

I'm not familiar with this foil but others may chime in...

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toppleover said..

mcrt said..
Just received delivery of LOL 1600 CARBON :)
It is a beauty.Very sharp trailing edges but easy to fix.
Weight is 3.89 kg assembled (without the foil to board screws).

In the manual it recommends the 1.5 mm shim,this shim would make the stab bite downwards less .

But in Sozzles review he says he rode it shimless as the shims felt like dragging seaweed...

I am a bit confused, shimless (more stab bite)should be more draggy+ lifty + slower + sketchier at higher speeds ,no?

If any other users of the 1600 (Alu or carbon) can comment on their experience with stab shim setup i would be grateful.

PS: I am 75kg ,85l Naish Ultra Hover Wingboard only flat water for now...

Make sure you are clear on what the shim is actually doing.

If it's reducing the stabs downward angle (less bite) it will be faster with less drag but also less lift - so moving mast forward may be required.
If it's increasing downward angle, it will be slower/more drag/lift.

I'm not familiar with this foil but others may chime in...

I think i have it right but here goes:
Two shims,1 mm and 1.5mm are included.
Manual advises to use 1mm for 1300, 1.5 for 1600(mine) and none for 1900.

Shim is placed under stab tail and stab goes below.
Thicker part of shim is towards tail .
So thicker shim=less downward angle of incidence of stab.
No shim=Max down angle of incidence of stab.

In airplane terms adding shim would be like trimming elevator nose down (for this particular foil,of course)

Cannot post pics yet, it would make this much easier to visualize :(

Anyway, i will try the 1.5 as manual says and see how it goes,just confused by the review that says the shims made it feel draggier.

New Takuma, looks nice.

www.instagram.com/p/CEKFyYNKTpG/

That's a 980 cm2 in that Instagram video they are working on three other Kujira sizes 750, 1210 and pure downwind 1440. They look absolutely amazing . Hopefully get to try the 980 next couple of weeks.

Hi Piros, do you know if they are working on longer masts eg 85cm ? Cheers

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mikesids said..
Hi Piros, do you know if they are working on longer masts eg 85cm ? Cheers

I heard a new 85cm carbon mast will ba available. And a new alu mast, not the classic alu mast, a more performance alu with a different shape.

Thanks for this @frenchfoiler

So are they saying the 980 Kujira will has comparable lift to the 1300 lol? I have the 1600 right now, but it lives slammed to the back of my foil box. Surfing a 980 cm foil at 98kg seems like a pipe dream though.

The Takuma LOL has the front wing further away in front of the mast than most brands.
On my Naish Hover i had to add strap inserts further forward and drill another set of rear holes on the carbon mast plate of the Takuma.
It just would not ride balanced otherwise.

I've the opportunity to get a second hand Takuma LOL 1600 (alu mast).
I'm currently using a Gofoil IWA with the kai tail for supfoil and winging.
I'm expecting more glide... but I'm having second thoughts
Any reason not to change??

Do it! At the worst you sell it later on to someone looking to upgrade to a kujira wing.