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eppo said..
Thanks for that above. Big ass board hes on. Might be the only way to distribute weight enough to minimise swing weight changes. Still looks awkward.



.. The reason im asking is Antman and I are testing a Stoke Foil Boost over here in the west. Antman has now dialed it in and i was hoping to get some decent turning footage next session - but alas we have had THE WORST autumn (now winter) swell in my living memory.

He is turning this thing really well hey ... looks almost similar to not having it on. Not 100 percent - but a lot bloody closer than all the FD stuff ive seen..
Still testing though . we will see.

Like anything there are pros and cons.

Hey Eppo,

Do you have any updates on the testing of the Stoke Foil Boost?

I just ordered one which is probably 4 weeks away. You only liv once I say. Anyway I only really want it to pop me onto foil for winging in really light wind and as a bit of security for SUP DW. My fitness ain't what it used to be so will feel much safer with this on. Have no need or want for an e-foil so hoping this should be enough power for my intended uses.

Any feedback would be appreciated.

Thanks

hi bud. honestly it's been so bad swell / conditions wise - not really. i will say though i think it will work really well for the purpose you want to use it for
from the time we've had on it

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airsail said..

radair said..
Personally I hate to see the sport going in this direction. Sure it's easier but the beauty of foiling to me is having light, simple gear. Mountain biking is going the same way, with 50 lb powered bikes to bring you uphill. Meh. Call me a retrogrouch but I hope to never need it.

We are in our wind off season, so just flat water with no docks. The wind will be back in 4 months so until then Foildrive is the go for pump practice, others are sitting on the beach watching.

It would be far cheaper to get a $100 scaffold ladder and learn to dock start off it. Better pumping without lugging a battery around too. But whatever works for you is fine

if you lads witnessed what i have witnessed the last 5 days or so - guys on FDs in large powerful surf - with 4-500m runs (and that doesn't include link ups)


- you may change your mind - and quickly.


the purist in me hates it - but the realist knows without a shadow of a doubt whose getting the most waves and having the most fun and getting access to breaks well offshore.

The question is. Do we want to do snowboard carves on open ocean swell lines? Or do we want to hit the lip?

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dejavu said..
Here's a different take on the drag:

Great video

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Hdip said..
The question is. Do we want to do snowboard carves on open ocean swell lines? Or do we want to hit the lip?

if you were referring to my post above the. these weren't open ocean swell lines. they were waves. if
not then noting to see here. its like anything - until you see it being used really well in pretty insane conditions (i'm not saying where this is because
i respect the local surfers and their spots unlike a ton of dipSh1ts on social media) you tend to
assume what it can and can't do.



if you are a sup foil surfer you would have frothed over what i've witnessed here.

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eppo said..

radair said..

airsail said..

radair said..
Personally I hate to see the sport going in this direction. Sure it's easier but the beauty of foiling to me is having light, simple gear. Mountain biking is going the same way, with 50 lb powered bikes to bring you uphill. Meh. Call me a retrogrouch but I hope to never need it.

We are in our wind off season, so just flat water with no docks. The wind will be back in 4 months so until then Foildrive is the go for pump practice, others are sitting on the beach watching.

It would be far cheaper to get a $100 scaffold ladder and learn to dock start off it. Better pumping without lugging a battery around too. But whatever works for you is fine

if you lads witnessed what i have witnessed the last 5 days or so - guys on FDs in large powerful surf - with 4-500m runs (and that doesn't include link ups)


- you may change your mind - and quickly.


the purist in me hates it - but the realist knows without a shadow of a doubt whose getting the most waves and having the most fun and getting access to breaks well offshore.

Yep told you it was good

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hilly said..

eppo said..

radair said..

airsail said..

radair said..
Personally I hate to see the sport going in this direction. Sure it's easier but the beauty of foiling to me is having light, simple gear. Mountain biking is going the same way, with 50 lb powered bikes to bring you uphill. Meh. Call me a retrogrouch but I hope to never need it.

We are in our wind off season, so just flat water with no docks. The wind will be back in 4 months so until then Foildrive is the go for pump practice, others are sitting on the beach watching.

It would be far cheaper to get a $100 scaffold ladder and learn to dock start off it. Better pumping without lugging a battery around too. But whatever works for you is fine

if you lads witnessed what i have witnessed the last 5 days or so - guys on FDs in large powerful surf - with 4-500m runs (and that doesn't include link ups)


- you may change your mind - and quickly.


the purist in me hates it - but the realist knows without a shadow of a doubt whose getting the most waves and having the most fun and getting access to breaks well offshore.

Yep told you it was good

yeh it sh1ts me how many times you end up being right.


that being said antman was tearing that wave a new A hole -


whilst i got dragged into the bowl and got wave after wave on my head. might be joining the Sup brigade soon ...

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eppo said..

hilly said..

eppo said..

radair said..

airsail said..

radair said..
Personally I hate to see the sport going in this direction. Sure it's easier but the beauty of foiling to me is having light, simple gear. Mountain biking is going the same way, with 50 lb powered bikes to bring you uphill. Meh. Call me a retrogrouch but I hope to never need it.

We are in our wind off season, so just flat water with no docks. The wind will be back in 4 months so until then Foildrive is the go for pump practice, others are sitting on the beach watching.

It would be far cheaper to get a $100 scaffold ladder and learn to dock start off it. Better pumping without lugging a battery around too. But whatever works for you is fine

if you lads witnessed what i have witnessed the last 5 days or so - guys on FDs in large powerful surf - with 4-500m runs (and that doesn't include link ups)


- you may change your mind - and quickly.


the purist in me hates it - but the realist knows without a shadow of a doubt whose getting the most waves and having the most fun and getting access to breaks well offshore.

Yep told you it was good

yeh it sh1ts me how many times you end up being right.


that being said antman was tearing that wave a new A hole.

Yep oh to be young, dumb and full again Vid I saw he was going off. The FD is definitely for older guys or beginners who cannot pump and to get you away from the crowd.
Unbelievably I had a tow crew going round and round me yesterday here. I was the only one out in the bay full of waves and they come to where I am ffs

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hilly said..

eppo said..

hilly said..

eppo said..

radair said..

airsail said..

radair said..
Personally I hate to see the sport going in this direction. Sure it's easier but the beauty of foiling to me is having light, simple gear. Mountain biking is going the same way, with 50 lb powered bikes to bring you uphill. Meh. Call me a retrogrouch but I hope to never need it.

We are in our wind off season, so just flat water with no docks. The wind will be back in 4 months so until then Foildrive is the go for pump practice, others are sitting on the beach watching.

It would be far cheaper to get a $100 scaffold ladder and learn to dock start off it. Better pumping without lugging a battery around too. But whatever works for you is fine

if you lads witnessed what i have witnessed the last 5 days or so - guys on FDs in large powerful surf - with 4-500m runs (and that doesn't include link ups)


- you may change your mind - and quickly.


the purist in me hates it - but the realist knows without a shadow of a doubt whose getting the most waves and having the most fun and getting access to breaks well offshore.

Yep told you it was good

yeh it sh1ts me how many times you end up being right.


that being said antman was tearing that wave a new A hole.

Yep oh to be young, dumb and full again Vid I saw he was going off. The FD is definitely for older guys or beginners who cannot pump and to get you away from the crowd.
Unbelievably I had a tow crew going round and round me yesterday here. I was the only one out in the bay full of waves and they come to where I am ffs

**** hey i'd thought they would tow on the outer reef breaks myself. or that bigger peak just north of where you are. people love being around other people in the water. beyond me why.

but no Sh1t every time i looked up one of those FD pricks were on a bomb.


yesterday we had a really crap north east wind with a weird northerly swell. lewis was catching the crappy waves then was able to basically downwind foil for hundreds of metres just linking each weird bump. then cruise control back out.


im not sure its just for old crew - it is actually a superior choice of craft given certain conditions.

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eppo said..

hilly said..

eppo said..

hilly said..

eppo said..

radair said..

airsail said..

radair said..
Personally I hate to see the sport going in this direction. Sure it's easier but the beauty of foiling to me is having light, simple gear. Mountain biking is going the same way, with 50 lb powered bikes to bring you uphill. Meh. Call me a retrogrouch but I hope to never need it.

We are in our wind off season, so just flat water with no docks. The wind will be back in 4 months so until then Foildrive is the go for pump practice, others are sitting on the beach watching.

It would be far cheaper to get a $100 scaffold ladder and learn to dock start off it. Better pumping without lugging a battery around too. But whatever works for you is fine

if you lads witnessed what i have witnessed the last 5 days or so - guys on FDs in large powerful surf - with 4-500m runs (and that doesn't include link ups)


- you may change your mind - and quickly.


the purist in me hates it - but the realist knows without a shadow of a doubt whose getting the most waves and having the most fun and getting access to breaks well offshore.

Yep told you it was good

yeh it sh1ts me how many times you end up being right.


that being said antman was tearing that wave a new A hole.

Yep oh to be young, dumb and full again Vid I saw he was going off. The FD is definitely for older guys or beginners who cannot pump and to get you away from the crowd.
Unbelievably I had a tow crew going round and round me yesterday here. I was the only one out in the bay full of waves and they come to where I am ffs

**** hey i'd thought they would tow on the outer reef breaks myself. or that bigger peak just north of where you are. people love being around other people in the water. beyond me why.

but no Sh1t every time i looked up one of those FD pricks were on a bomb.


yesterday we had a really crap north east wind with a weird northerly swell. lewis was catching the crappy waves then was able to basically downwind foil for hundreds of metres just linking each weird bump. then cruise control back out.


im not sure its just for old crew - it is actually a superior choice of craft given certain conditions.

No young fit dudes should pump

Pleased were making you reconsider getting one Eppo.

The last few days have 100% been why I got a fd.

Different people will want one for different reasons but for me being able to in effect whip into a wave which is almost unridable for sup foil in most conditions has been unbelievable. I've ridden bigger, faster and longer than I could ever have imagined.

See ya for the afternoon session

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Cornishryan said..
Pleased were making you reconsider getting one Eppo.

The last few days have 100% been why I got a fd.

Different people will want one for different reasons but for me being able to in effect whip into a wave which is almost unridable for sup foil in most conditions has been unbelievable. I've ridden bigger, faster and longer than I could ever have imagined.

See ya for the afternoon session

well it beats just dogging about ;

Living on Moreton Bay, Brissy means an hour drive for a surf. Now with my prone Foildrive set up I walk to the water for a pump session or swell ride. Great exercise and bit by bit the fuel savings of driving up the coast is paying off my Foildrive. 80kgs on a 11lts board, 75cm carbon mast, PNG 1150 or 1300, 460 stab and crazy short fuselage.

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airsail said..
Living on Moreton Bay, Brissy means an hour drive for a surf. Now with my prone Foildrive set up I walk to the water for a pump session or swell ride. Great exercise and bit by bit the fuel savings of driving up the coast is paying off my Foildrive. 80kgs on a 11lts board, 75cm carbon mast, PNG 1150 or 1300, 460 stab and crazy short fuselage.

Hi airsail can you please explain your taping up / aero mast fd cable set up as it looks interesting?:-)

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Johndesu said..

airsail said..
Living on Moreton Bay, Brissy means an hour drive for a surf. Now with my prone Foildrive set up I walk to the water for a pump session or swell ride. Great exercise and bit by bit the fuel savings of driving up the coast is paying off my Foildrive. 80kgs on a 11lts board, 75cm carbon mast, PNG 1150 or 1300, 460 stab and crazy short fuselage.

Hi airsail can you please explain your taping up / aero mast fd cable set up as it looks interesting?:-)

It's a 3D printed model provided by Armin Harich on the Foildrive owners Facebook group. It streamlines the area where the cable leaves the pod.

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airsail said..

Johndesu said..

airsail said..
Living on Moreton Bay, Brissy means an hour drive for a surf. Now with my prone Foildrive set up I walk to the water for a pump session or swell ride. Great exercise and bit by bit the fuel savings of driving up the coast is paying off my Foildrive. 80kgs on a 11lts board, 75cm carbon mast, PNG 1150 or 1300, 460 stab and crazy short fuselage.

Hi airsail can you please explain your taping up / aero mast fd cable set up as it looks interesting?:-)

It's a 3D printed model provided by Armin Harich on the Foildrive owners Facebook group. It streamlines the area where the cable leaves the pod.

Great I want one so how do I go about buying one then? do I get in contact with Armin Harich and buy it from him?:-)

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airsail said..

Johndesu said..

airsail said..
Living on Moreton Bay, Brissy means an hour drive for a surf. Now with my prone Foildrive set up I walk to the water for a pump session or swell ride. Great exercise and bit by bit the fuel savings of driving up the coast is paying off my Foildrive. 80kgs on a 11lts board, 75cm carbon mast, PNG 1150 or 1300, 460 stab and crazy short fuselage.

Hi airsail can you please explain your taping up / aero mast fd cable set up as it looks interesting?:-)

It's a 3D printed model provided by Armin Harich on the Foildrive owners Facebook group. It streamlines the area where the cable leaves the pod.

Great I want one so how do I go about buying one then? do I get in contact with Armin Harich and buy it from him?:-)

Send me a message with your email address. Then just get someone with a printer or a 3D printing business to print one for you. Seabreeze doesn't allow me to add the file to a pm.

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hi bud. honestly it's been so bad swell / conditions wise - not really. i will say though i think it will work really well for the purpose you want to use it for
from the time we've had on it

Thanks mate. Great to hear. Will provide some feedback once it arrives.

I'm running the same mast cable holder on mine. Whilst I don't really subscribe to the whole less drag thing with such a high pod position I do love the tight cable channel means I can use next to no tape!As for is this the best way to learn? Well as a half decent surfer/sup surfer coming into the world of foiling I didn't want to get one. I was going to learn by grinding it out in the surf. Well it was slow going with tiny wave counts and minimal foil time (sporadic tow sessions behind a ski). I sucked it up and purchased the FDA as I'd had a small taste of that amazing feeling of being on foil and needed more ASAP. In the short 2 months I've had it my foiling has come a long in leaps and bounds. I did the bulk of the learning on a surf sup and downwind sup, I've used it as self rescue minimise walk of shames while trying to learn to wing, and of course my absolute favourite prone foiling with the FDA. The session I've screenshot below was from this morning in tiny nearly non surfable conditions and that was how much foil time I had on one battery. I essentially now use the FDA as a way to chip in to pretty much any bump I want, pop up to my feet, a quick pump to get higher up on the mast and it then sits there silent and dormant as I surf the wave without using it. I'm working on learning to pump now but at this stage I still link all my waves using the motor to get back out each time and getting that oh so addictive hooked turn onto the next wave of my choice. I only wanted this to be a temporary tool to help me learn at the quickest rate possible. It may still end up just being that, but I'm already thinking I'm getting mighty used to the insane wave counts and ease of chipping in and foil time it's providing.I think I read something similar here and thought it was very fitting "Very expensive and probably even overpriced for what it is, but at the same time I can't imagine life without it and it's brought me some of the most consistent and rewarding fun I've had in the ocean"

sorry but that's e foiling. Not prone surfing.

The motor is clearly out of the water while riding waves. How is that efoiling?

The part where he's standing on the board and using the motor to drive around. That's efoiling. Couple guys doing it around where I am. It's interesting. If used to ride unbroken waves outside of everyone it's cool. If you're trying to truly prone foil in the pocket. Not as cool.

Also a guy taco'd doing it and panic gripped the throttle as he fell. Punched the prop with his hand. Didn't lose a finger, but required help getting out of the water and something like 20 stitches. I've also seen guys get run into twice by the homemade tow device versions. 1 required stitches. Don't forget how dangerous these toys can be. Gotta respect them.

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sorry but that's e foiling. Not prone surfing.

Tough audience....... the motor was clearly free of the wave. My Crystal ball is we are going to see a lot more this , it really does open up a whole new world . The Sup FD crew are all over it but I'm telling you now , the prone world is going to be all over this for DW and outer banks style stuff so watch this space.

Yeah, some of the comments sound like those about e-biking a few years ago. And snowboarding.

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eppo said..
sorry but that's e foiling. Not prone surfing.

Tough audience....... the motor was clearly free of the wave. My Crystal ball is we are going to see a lot more this , it really does open up a whole new world . The Sup FD crew are all over it but I'm telling you now , the prone world is going to be all over this for DW and outer banks style stuff so watch this space.

Love the FD. Nice to be using something new and so good. Makes SUP foiling fun in a range of conditions, previously I found it hard work a lot of the time. Many have given it up.

From my research, its basically the same as the foil drive except better.
Because the FD battery box on the deck is dangerous in an accident, a hazard when standing, moving or trying to prone, and causes imbalance when up on foil and makes pumping awkward.

still awesome though!
The stoke foil boost is an elegant solution to all of those issues and more (better connectivity to controller e.g.) and the batteries can be swapped over in seconds. I love it and will be buying one with 2-3 batteries asahp!

For any doubters or curious types, there are now plenty of vids and reviews available on ye, and after doing their own due diligence, if there's still people who'd rather go fishing, I say "good luck, I'll be back in time for dinner"

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eppo said..
sorry but that's e foiling. Not prone surfing.

Tough audience....... the motor was clearly free of the wave. My Crystal ball is we are going to see a lot more this , it really does open up a whole new world . The Sup FD crew are all over it but I'm telling you now , the prone world is going to be all over this for DW and outer banks style stuff so watch this space.

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PBfoiler said..
The motor is clearly out of the water while riding waves. How is that efoiling?

It's not eFoiling, it's just a booster to help you get on the foil or wave easier.
i had a Fliteboard early on. Massive difference

My contribution a little bit of random footage from this mornings session. I'm about 4-5 months into "learning to foil" and the FD has undeniably been a big help for me. I'm a bit different though as I have my pod really high on the mast and box/battery not on the board. Whenever I am on a wave or pumping the motor IS NOT on and the pod is hopefully up in the air. I do rely on it a bit though for the chip in to get on a wave or "efoiling" between waves when my pump game isn't up to scratch.I believe you can't beat "time on foil" during the beginner stages (which I'm still at) of foiling.?si=4-raZ56AIxUUdzuS