Hi all!
I Need advice on setup!
It was my third try learning in flat water how to use a fda+ with very good success. I could stand up and foil and go smooth and steady, with the motor 25 cm from the board.
On the third day I tried with a smaller board (47 l ) and I was surprised that it was almost the same if not better than with the 75 L I used on the first 2 sessions.
My weight is 65kg.
On the last session I used a higher ar wing and it seemed to be better than the MAs I tried on the days before. Do ha work better than lower ar wings with fd?
Anyway I'm a bit confused with choosing the right setup,.
How can I feel backfooted ( wich I hate) and frontfooted at the same time???
I keep putting pressure on the front not to stall, I even have to be more to the front of the board than I want even with the mast all the way to the back , but at the same time my back leg is hurting???
On the last session I was tring smaller and smaller back wings and less and less shim to compensate and it was working, I think.
My worries are when transitioning to the wave it will feel completely different. Shall I setip for the waves and ignore the setup for fd since its only for catching the wave???
I'm an experienced wave wingfoiler and I'm very used to the difference between going with the wing and going on the wave but on the drive it feels completely different.

I know it's confusing but I know yous must understand where I'm getting at.

Any advice???

I've used FD+ for 18 months. My advice is don't change too much too quickly. Enjoy each session and only change 1 thing at a time otherwise it's hard to nail down what's working and what's not.

I've settled on a AR of 8.4.

Try to have rests and sit on your board as your legs have a big workout on FD.

Thanks! Will do
And I've noticed the workout already !

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AG4171 said..

How can I feel backfooted ( wich I hate) and frontfooted at the same time???
I keep putting pressure on the front not to stall, I even have to be more to the front of the board than I want even with the mast all the way to the back , but at the same time my back leg is hurting???
??

Normal problem when using a motor. You have to be leaning forward to counter the thrust of the motor. But you're standing to far forward so you can't let the foil lift properly. Center of gravity is in front of the center of lift? Something technical like that.
stand further back. When powered Lean forward. Let off trigger and pop the pod out of the water. Shuffle back to the sweet spot.

I'd really like to see a good prone surfer use one, to see what it's really like, a full session, no edits, carving and linking multiple waves. Maybe one of the usual suspects can show us how it's done (casey, ku etc). Everything I've seen is just efoiling and going in a straight line which is very pedestrian IMO and has little appeal whatsoever to me or to the younger demographics.

Unlikely you will find that. This ok though

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noepoxy said..
I'd really like to see a good prone surfer use one, to see what it's really like, a full session, no edits, carving and linking multiple waves. Maybe one of the usual suspects can show us how it's done (casey, ku etc). Everything I've seen is just efoiling and going in a straight line which is very pedestrian IMO and has little appeal whatsoever to me or to the younger demographics.

Yes I agree it has taken me well over a year to try to get my FD+ dialed in a bit from just cut backs - to more bottom hand turns/top turn reo combinations etc, it is hard work but all possible with the best right equipment that suits you:-)

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Hdip said..

AG4171 said..

How can I feel backfooted ( wich I hate) and frontfooted at the same time???
I keep putting pressure on the front not to stall, I even have to be more to the front of the board than I want even with the mast all the way to the back , but at the same time my back leg is hurting???
??

Normal problem when using a motor. You have to be leaning forward to counter the thrust of the motor. But you're standing to far forward so you can't let the foil lift properly. Center of gravity is in front of the center of lift? Something technical like that.
stand further back. When powered Lean forward. Let off trigger and pop the pod out of the water. Shuffle back to the sweet spot.

Ok. I will try that. Thanks!

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noepoxy said..
I'd really like to see a good prone surfer use one, to see what it's really like, a full session, no edits, carving and linking multiple waves. Maybe one of the usual suspects can show us how it's done (casey, ku etc). Everything I've seen is just efoiling and going in a straight line which is very pedestrian IMO and has little appeal whatsoever to me or to the younger demographics.

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Johndesu said..

noepoxy said..
I'd really like to see a good prone surfer use one, to see what it's really like, a full session, no edits, carving and linking multiple waves. Maybe one of the usual suspects can show us how it's done (casey, ku etc). Everything I've seen is just efoiling and going in a straight line which is very pedestrian IMO and has little appeal whatsoever to me or to the younger demographics.

Yes I agree it has taken me well over a year to try to get my FD+ dialed in a bit from just cut backs - to more bottom hand turns/top turn reo combinations etc, it is hard work but all possible with the best right equipment that suits you:-)

I just want it to help in catching waves , i don't even understand really what you mean ...

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noepoxy said..
I'd really like to see a good prone surfer use one, to see what it's really like, a full session, no edits, carving and linking multiple waves. Maybe one of the usual suspects can show us how it's done (casey, ku etc). Everything I've seen is just efoiling and going in a straight line which is very pedestrian IMO and has little appeal whatsoever to me or to the younger demographics.

Off course Foildrive has its limitations, anytime you add 4 kgs to a board and a motor pod to the mast it will hinder full on surf type sessions that include radical cutbacks, off the lips etc. But, if your not gifted with perfect surf or your totally sick of crowded breaks it opens up a world of benefits and unridden waves.
For me it saves about 3 hours of driving each surf session, I can walk to the bay when the wind is up and catch the wrap from one of the points, no chance without a Foildrive.

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airsail said..

noepoxy said..
I'd really like to see a good prone surfer use one, to see what it's really like, a full session, no edits, carving and linking multiple waves. Maybe one of the usual suspects can show us how it's done (casey, ku etc). Everything I've seen is just efoiling and going in a straight line which is very pedestrian IMO and has little appeal whatsoever to me or to the younger demographics.

Off course Foildrive has its limitations, anytime you add 4 kgs to a board and a motor pod to the mast it will hinder full on surf type sessions that include radical cutbacks, off the lips etc. But, if your not gifted with perfect surf or your totally sick of crowded breaks it opens up a world of benefits and unridden waves.
For me it saves about 3 hours of driving each surf session, I can walk to the bay when the wind is up and catch the wrap from one of the points, no chance without a Foildrive.

Besides the rear puckering entry fee of $6k USD which is the reason I don't have one yet, my thoughts have been how important is assist vs. efoil? Most reviews have been using the Max and love the long distance e-foil aspect for the seemingly impossible concept of staying on foil for a very long time. With the extra power a smaller board and smaller foil can be used...

Yesterday I opted to surf as I just can't handle foiling in powerful (ish) waves. One guy was out prone foiling who could pump very well and link enough rides to make my choice to surf questionable. Had I an FD Max, I could've motored way out and riden unbroken waves and potentially had the day of the year on foil.

Video review shows the rider in small waves close to shore and he's a good pump foiler, so he prefers the Slim and a bigger front wing which makes sense for the wave conditions I usually prone foil in, however, I'm much further out. And so there is the dilema. Focus on wave riding and maybe use the Slim to just taxi back out to an outer break, or get the Max and modify technique a bit more to the efoil like Rob's vid.

Or be happy with the DW board I got to wing and ride unbroken waves that is already a compromise over a small prone board and foil...

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Hwy1North said..

airsail said..

noepoxy said..
I'd really like to see a good prone surfer use one, to see what it's really like, a full session, no edits, carving and linking multiple waves. Maybe one of the usual suspects can show us how it's done (casey, ku etc). Everything I've seen is just efoiling and going in a straight line which is very pedestrian IMO and has little appeal whatsoever to me or to the younger demographics.

Off course Foildrive has its limitations, anytime you add 4 kgs to a board and a motor pod to the mast it will hinder full on surf type sessions that include radical cutbacks, off the lips etc. But, if your not gifted with perfect surf or your totally sick of crowded breaks it opens up a world of benefits and unridden waves.
For me it saves about 3 hours of driving each surf session, I can walk to the bay when the wind is up and catch the wrap from one of the points, no chance without a Foildrive.

Besides the rear puckering entry fee of $6k USD which is the reason I don't have one yet, my thoughts have been how important is assist vs. efoil? Most reviews have been using the Max and love the long distance e-foil aspect for the seemingly impossible concept of staying on foil for a very long time. With the extra power a smaller board and smaller foil can be used...

Yesterday I opted to surf as I just can't handle foiling in powerful (ish) waves. One guy was out prone foiling who could pump very well and link enough rides to make my choice to surf questionable. Had I an FD Max, I could've motored way out and riden unbroken waves and potentially had the day of the year on foil.

Video review shows the rider in small waves close to shore and he's a good pump foiler, so he prefers the Slim and a bigger front wing which makes sense for the wave conditions I usually prone foil in, however, I'm much further out. And so there is the dilema. Focus on wave riding and maybe use the Slim to just taxi back out to an outer break, or get the Max and modify technique a bit more to the efoil like Rob's vid.

Or be happy with the DW board I got to wing and ride unbroken waves that is already a compromise over a small prone board and foil...

That video is hardly selling it.

The wave looks like it could be chipped into on plenty of craft including prone foil so it means the FD rider is buzzing around other self propelled water users changing the whole vibe.

To me that is the point. The technology has great benefits to ride where others can't but it will be mostly used in line ups that will have other water users screaming for PWC rules to apply to FD users. We don't want regular foilers caught in the cross fire.

Currently the calm before the storm i think.

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AnyBoard said..

Hwy1North said..

airsail said..

noepoxy said..
I'd really like to see a good prone surfer use one, to see what it's really like, a full session, no edits, carving and linking multiple waves. Maybe one of the usual suspects can show us how it's done (casey, ku etc). Everything I've seen is just efoiling and going in a straight line which is very pedestrian IMO and has little appeal whatsoever to me or to the younger demographics.

Off course Foildrive has its limitations, anytime you add 4 kgs to a board and a motor pod to the mast it will hinder full on surf type sessions that include radical cutbacks, off the lips etc. But, if your not gifted with perfect surf or your totally sick of crowded breaks it opens up a world of benefits and unridden waves.
For me it saves about 3 hours of driving each surf session, I can walk to the bay when the wind is up and catch the wrap from one of the points, no chance without a Foildrive.

Besides the rear puckering entry fee of $6k USD which is the reason I don't have one yet, my thoughts have been how important is assist vs. efoil? Most reviews have been using the Max and love the long distance e-foil aspect for the seemingly impossible concept of staying on foil for a very long time. With the extra power a smaller board and smaller foil can be used...

Yesterday I opted to surf as I just can't handle foiling in powerful (ish) waves. One guy was out prone foiling who could pump very well and link enough rides to make my choice to surf questionable. Had I an FD Max, I could've motored way out and riden unbroken waves and potentially had the day of the year on foil.

Video review shows the rider in small waves close to shore and he's a good pump foiler, so he prefers the Slim and a bigger front wing which makes sense for the wave conditions I usually prone foil in, however, I'm much further out. And so there is the dilema. Focus on wave riding and maybe use the Slim to just taxi back out to an outer break, or get the Max and modify technique a bit more to the efoil like Rob's vid.

Or be happy with the DW board I got to wing and ride unbroken waves that is already a compromise over a small prone board and foil...

That video is hardly selling it.

The wave looks like it could be chipped into on plenty of craft including prone foil so it means the FD rider is buzzing around other self propelled water users changing the whole vibe.

To me that is the point. The technology has great benefits to ride where others can't but it will be mostly used in line ups that will have other water users screaming for PWC rules to apply to FD users. We don't want regular foilers caught in the cross fire.

Currently the calm before the storm i think.

FoilDriving down the east coast atm. Lots of beachies and people which I am not used to. Must say the reaction has been positive so far. Lots of people wanting info when I come in. Did not feel there was any angst anywhere, which I am used to from years of sup riding. But I make a point of riding out past the crowd and pull off if it looks like a surfer wants the wave. The proners zipping in and out of the crowd were more problematic than a FoilDrive out the back or down the beach.

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hilly said..

AnyBoard said..

Hwy1North said..

airsail said..

noepoxy said..
I'd really like to see a good prone surfer use one, to see what it's really like, a full session, no edits, carving and linking multiple waves. Maybe one of the usual suspects can show us how it's done (casey, ku etc). Everything I've seen is just efoiling and going in a straight line which is very pedestrian IMO and has little appeal whatsoever to me or to the younger demographics.

Off course Foildrive has its limitations, anytime you add 4 kgs to a board and a motor pod to the mast it will hinder full on surf type sessions that include radical cutbacks, off the lips etc. But, if your not gifted with perfect surf or your totally sick of crowded breaks it opens up a world of benefits and unridden waves.
For me it saves about 3 hours of driving each surf session, I can walk to the bay when the wind is up and catch the wrap from one of the points, no chance without a Foildrive.

Besides the rear puckering entry fee of $6k USD which is the reason I don't have one yet, my thoughts have been how important is assist vs. efoil? Most reviews have been using the Max and love the long distance e-foil aspect for the seemingly impossible concept of staying on foil for a very long time. With the extra power a smaller board and smaller foil can be used...

Yesterday I opted to surf as I just can't handle foiling in powerful (ish) waves. One guy was out prone foiling who could pump very well and link enough rides to make my choice to surf questionable. Had I an FD Max, I could've motored way out and riden unbroken waves and potentially had the day of the year on foil.

Video review shows the rider in small waves close to shore and he's a good pump foiler, so he prefers the Slim and a bigger front wing which makes sense for the wave conditions I usually prone foil in, however, I'm much further out. And so there is the dilema. Focus on wave riding and maybe use the Slim to just taxi back out to an outer break, or get the Max and modify technique a bit more to the efoil like Rob's vid.

Or be happy with the DW board I got to wing and ride unbroken waves that is already a compromise over a small prone board and foil...

That video is hardly selling it.

The wave looks like it could be chipped into on plenty of craft including prone foil so it means the FD rider is buzzing around other self propelled water users changing the whole vibe.

To me that is the point. The technology has great benefits to ride where others can't but it will be mostly used in line ups that will have other water users screaming for PWC rules to apply to FD users. We don't want regular foilers caught in the cross fire.

Currently the calm before the storm i think.

FoilDriving down the east coast atm. Lots of beachies and people which I am not used to. Must say the reaction has been positive so far. Lots of people wanting info when I come in. Did not feel there was any angst anywhere, which I am used to from years of sup riding. But I make a point of riding out past the crowd and pull off if it looks like a surfer wants the wave. The proners zipping in and out of the crowd were more problematic than a FoilDrive out the back or down the beach.

And the questions I most commonly get asked.

How fast does it go?

How much does it cost? (8k complete for the plus)

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airsail said..

hilly said..

AnyBoard said..

Hwy1North said..

airsail said..

noepoxy said..
I'd really like to see a good prone surfer use one, to see what it's really like, a full session, no edits, carving and linking multiple waves. Maybe one of the usual suspects can show us how it's done (casey, ku etc). Everything I've seen is just efoiling and going in a straight line which is very pedestrian IMO and has little appeal whatsoever to me or to the younger demographics.

Off course Foildrive has its limitations, anytime you add 4 kgs to a board and a motor pod to the mast it will hinder full on surf type sessions that include radical cutbacks, off the lips etc. But, if your not gifted with perfect surf or your totally sick of crowded breaks it opens up a world of benefits and unridden waves.
For me it saves about 3 hours of driving each surf session, I can walk to the bay when the wind is up and catch the wrap from one of the points, no chance without a Foildrive.

Besides the rear puckering entry fee of $6k USD which is the reason I don't have one yet, my thoughts have been how important is assist vs. efoil? Most reviews have been using the Max and love the long distance e-foil aspect for the seemingly impossible concept of staying on foil for a very long time. With the extra power a smaller board and smaller foil can be used...

Yesterday I opted to surf as I just can't handle foiling in powerful (ish) waves. One guy was out prone foiling who could pump very well and link enough rides to make my choice to surf questionable. Had I an FD Max, I could've motored way out and riden unbroken waves and potentially had the day of the year on foil.

Video review shows the rider in small waves close to shore and he's a good pump foiler, so he prefers the Slim and a bigger front wing which makes sense for the wave conditions I usually prone foil in, however, I'm much further out. And so there is the dilema. Focus on wave riding and maybe use the Slim to just taxi back out to an outer break, or get the Max and modify technique a bit more to the efoil like Rob's vid.

Or be happy with the DW board I got to wing and ride unbroken waves that is already a compromise over a small prone board and foil...

That video is hardly selling it.

The wave looks like it could be chipped into on plenty of craft including prone foil so it means the FD rider is buzzing around other self propelled water users changing the whole vibe.

To me that is the point. The technology has great benefits to ride where others can't but it will be mostly used in line ups that will have other water users screaming for PWC rules to apply to FD users. We don't want regular foilers caught in the cross fire.

Currently the calm before the storm i think.

FoilDriving down the east coast atm. Lots of beachies and people which I am not used to. Must say the reaction has been positive so far. Lots of people wanting info when I come in. Did not feel there was any angst anywhere, which I am used to from years of sup riding. But I make a point of riding out past the crowd and pull off if it looks like a surfer wants the wave. The proners zipping in and out of the crowd were more problematic than a FoilDrive out the back or down the beach.

And the questions I most commonly get asked.

How fast does it go?

How much does it cost? (8k complete for the plus)

How long does the battery last?

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hilly said..

airsail said..

hilly said..

AnyBoard said..

Hwy1North said..

airsail said..

noepoxy said..
I'd really like to see a good prone surfer use one, to see what it's really like, a full session, no edits, carving and linking multiple waves. Maybe one of the usual suspects can show us how it's done (casey, ku etc). Everything I've seen is just efoiling and going in a straight line which is very pedestrian IMO and has little appeal whatsoever to me or to the younger demographics.

Off course Foildrive has its limitations, anytime you add 4 kgs to a board and a motor pod to the mast it will hinder full on surf type sessions that include radical cutbacks, off the lips etc. But, if your not gifted with perfect surf or your totally sick of crowded breaks it opens up a world of benefits and unridden waves.
For me it saves about 3 hours of driving each surf session, I can walk to the bay when the wind is up and catch the wrap from one of the points, no chance without a Foildrive.

Besides the rear puckering entry fee of $6k USD which is the reason I don't have one yet, my thoughts have been how important is assist vs. efoil? Most reviews have been using the Max and love the long distance e-foil aspect for the seemingly impossible concept of staying on foil for a very long time. With the extra power a smaller board and smaller foil can be used...

Yesterday I opted to surf as I just can't handle foiling in powerful (ish) waves. One guy was out prone foiling who could pump very well and link enough rides to make my choice to surf questionable. Had I an FD Max, I could've motored way out and riden unbroken waves and potentially had the day of the year on foil.

Video review shows the rider in small waves close to shore and he's a good pump foiler, so he prefers the Slim and a bigger front wing which makes sense for the wave conditions I usually prone foil in, however, I'm much further out. And so there is the dilema. Focus on wave riding and maybe use the Slim to just taxi back out to an outer break, or get the Max and modify technique a bit more to the efoil like Rob's vid.

Or be happy with the DW board I got to wing and ride unbroken waves that is already a compromise over a small prone board and foil...

That video is hardly selling it.

The wave looks like it could be chipped into on plenty of craft including prone foil so it means the FD rider is buzzing around other self propelled water users changing the whole vibe.

To me that is the point. The technology has great benefits to ride where others can't but it will be mostly used in line ups that will have other water users screaming for PWC rules to apply to FD users. We don't want regular foilers caught in the cross fire.

Currently the calm before the storm i think.

FoilDriving down the east coast atm. Lots of beachies and people which I am not used to. Must say the reaction has been positive so far. Lots of people wanting info when I come in. Did not feel there was any angst anywhere, which I am used to from years of sup riding. But I make a point of riding out past the crowd and pull off if it looks like a surfer wants the wave. The proners zipping in and out of the crowd were more problematic than a FoilDrive out the back or down the beach.

And the questions I most commonly get asked.

How fast does it go?

How much does it cost? (8k complete for the plus)

How long does the battery last?

Oh yeah, forgot that one

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noepoxy said..
I'd really like to see a good prone surfer use one, to see what it's really like, a full session, no edits, carving and linking multiple waves. Maybe one of the usual suspects can show us how it's done (casey, ku etc). Everything I've seen is just efoiling and going in a straight line which is very pedestrian IMO and has little appeal whatsoever to me or to the younger demographics.

Check www.instagram.com/paulcooperfoil/

I've seen him out landing airs on days where paddling in with a prone board gets tricky because its getting too big. On long period swells with big waits its an easy orbit and then roll into head high+ waves when they finally show up.

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AnyBoard said..

Hwy1North said..

airsail said..

noepoxy said..
I'd really like to see a good prone surfer use one, to see what it's really like, a full session, no edits, carving and linking multiple waves. Maybe one of the usual suspects can show us how it's done (casey, ku etc). Everything I've seen is just efoiling and going in a straight line which is very pedestrian IMO and has little appeal whatsoever to me or to the younger demographics.

Off course Foildrive has its limitations, anytime you add 4 kgs to a board and a motor pod to the mast it will hinder full on surf type sessions that include radical cutbacks, off the lips etc. But, if your not gifted with perfect surf or your totally sick of crowded breaks it opens up a world of benefits and unridden waves.
For me it saves about 3 hours of driving each surf session, I can walk to the bay when the wind is up and catch the wrap from one of the points, no chance without a Foildrive.

Besides the rear puckering entry fee of $6k USD which is the reason I don't have one yet, my thoughts have been how important is assist vs. efoil? Most reviews have been using the Max and love the long distance e-foil aspect for the seemingly impossible concept of staying on foil for a very long time. With the extra power a smaller board and smaller foil can be used...

Yesterday I opted to surf as I just can't handle foiling in powerful (ish) waves. One guy was out prone foiling who could pump very well and link enough rides to make my choice to surf questionable. Had I an FD Max, I could've motored way out and riden unbroken waves and potentially had the day of the year on foil.

Video review shows the rider in small waves close to shore and he's a good pump foiler, so he prefers the Slim and a bigger front wing which makes sense for the wave conditions I usually prone foil in, however, I'm much further out. And so there is the dilema. Focus on wave riding and maybe use the Slim to just taxi back out to an outer break, or get the Max and modify technique a bit more to the efoil like Rob's vid.

Or be happy with the DW board I got to wing and ride unbroken waves that is already a compromise over a small prone board and foil...

That video is hardly selling it.

The wave looks like it could be chipped into on plenty of craft including prone foil so it means the FD rider is buzzing around other self propelled water users changing the whole vibe.

To me that is the point. The technology has great benefits to ride where others can't but it will be mostly used in line ups that will have other water users screaming for PWC rules to apply to FD users. We don't want regular foilers caught in the cross fire.

Currently the calm before the storm i think.

I tend to agree with @anyboard, it's a PWC and should follow by those rules as a jet ski, time will tell how it goes down at busy points and beach breaks, but don't take down normal foilers in the process as it's not the same sport at all.

None of those videos are selling it to me, be good to see videos from good riders, just because you post videos it doesn't mean you're a good foiler, and one could have caught those waves on a sup or prone.

I tend to ignore pumpers, shop owners and most sponsored rider content as they do not pay retail so their opinion means nothing to me, just trying to make money, and most people knows who the good foilers are and the ones worth listening too.

If I just paddle out on sup going about 4kph in cruise and just use the FD to help get on a swell. No efoiling. Is it a PWC?

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hilly said..
If I just paddle out on sup going about 4kph in cruise and just use the FD to help get on a swell. No efoiling. Is it a PWC?

I've pretty well been out everyday last couple of weeks at my local ( Surfers Paradise). Been stopped by the local lifeguards a couple of times on their jetski patrols and asked is it an efoil . They have been very friendly and more inquisitive . I explained it's an assist and not an efoil as when on the swell or wave the motor is off and out of the water. He said he can see that and personally doesn't have a problem with it and agreed it's not an efoil. The only thing they asked was to use it in the area between the flagged/patrolled areas . I was already doing that and conditions have been pretty bad so no surfers in the water , I also said if surfers paddle out I move on. They were happy with that and also commented they couldn't believe how far out I was and free foiling in and it looked amazing downwinding into the wave zone.

FYI the rule for efoils/jetskies is 400m from a patrolled area which pretty much rules out everywhere where I live as there are patrols apx 500m apart . If the patrolled beaches are closed you can tow in or efoil anywhere just need to stay 60m away from surfers or swimmers , pretty unlikely anyone would be paddle surfing or swimming on a closed beach break.

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hilly said..
If I just paddle out on sup going about 4kph in cruise and just use the FD to help get on a swell. No efoiling. Is it a PWC?

If you use a motor with a foil = efoiling

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noepoxy said..

hilly said..
If I just paddle out on sup going about 4kph in cruise and just use the FD to help get on a swell. No efoiling. Is it a PWC?

If you use a motor with a foil = efoiling

Haha knew you would say that. Like mtb v emtb. Sorry you cannot categorise a FoilDrive with a 400kg 160 hp 3 person JetSki that causes a huge wake and exhaust fumes.

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hilly said..

noepoxy said..

hilly said..
If I just paddle out on sup going about 4kph in cruise and just use the FD to help get on a swell. No efoiling. Is it a PWC?

If you use a motor with a foil = efoiling

Haha knew you would say that. Like mtb v emtb. Sorry you cannot categorise a FoilDrive with a 400kg 160 hp 3 person JetSki that causes a huge wake and exhaust fumes.

I've never e-foiled, but what does the e stand for? I guess electric...and FD uses electricity stored in batteries...

I personally don't care, but don't take all my waves just because you can catch them earlier than me or get us banned! It's hard enough as it is just competing with all the surfers on the east coast of Australia. Maybe WA is easier?

I'm interested in hearing what is the best location after your trip around the island @hilly, but I guess you won't publicly disclose that

I have been surprised by the lack of crowds over here. Had Nth Kirra to almost myself for two weeks with an epic bank. Same everywhere. Way more options over here. If you come to WA I can show you much better places than this coast for foiling.

I think the main thing people don't like seeing near them is an exposed propeller. I think these companies need to invest and develop jet propulsion instead. This will go a long way in communicating to the general population that these products are safe to use around others in the water.

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I think the main thing people don't like seeing near them is an exposed propeller. I think these companies need to invest and develop jet propulsion instead.

www.jetfoiler.com/ has one. They have never fully released publicly though. It's the only efoil I'll let my 11 year old ride. He absolutely loves it. Trying to borrow expensive efoils for him to ride is hard though haha.

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Piros said..

hilly said..
If I just paddle out on sup going about 4kph in cruise and just use the FD to help get on a swell. No efoiling. Is it a PWC?

I've pretty well been out everyday last couple of weeks at my local ( Surfers Paradise). Been stopped by the local lifeguards a couple of times on their jetski patrols and asked is it an efoil . They have been very friendly and more inquisitive . I explained it's an assist and not an efoil as when on the swell or wave the motor is off and out of the water. He said he can see that and personally doesn't have a problem with it and agreed it's not an efoil. The only thing they asked was to use it in the area between the flagged/patrolled areas . I was already doing that and conditions have been pretty bad so no surfers in the water , I also said if surfers paddle out I move on. They were happy with that and also commented they couldn't believe how far out I was and free foiling in and it looked amazing downwinding into the wave zone.

FYI the rule for efoils/jetskies is 400m from a patrolled area which pretty much rules out everywhere where I live as there are patrols apx 500m apart . If the patrolled beaches are closed you can tow in or efoil anywhere just need to stay 60m away from surfers or swimmers , pretty unlikely anyone would be paddle surfing or swimming on a closed beach break.

I think you've talked yourself into thinking it's not an e-foil, when in-fact it is, and spreading misinformation saying it isn't an e-foil is not the best thing to do either, as anytime you use the motor you are e-foiling and must stay 60m away from swimmers and surfers so that would rule out surfers paradise during patrolled beach times due to the volume of swimmers and surfers, and that means motoring back out after catching a wave.

It would be good to have certainty on this point otherwise one might fork out $$$ and not be able to use it at their local beach

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noepoxy said..

Piros said..

hilly said..
If I just paddle out on sup going about 4kph in cruise and just use the FD to help get on a swell. No efoiling. Is it a PWC?

I've pretty well been out everyday last couple of weeks at my local ( Surfers Paradise). Been stopped by the local lifeguards a couple of times on their jetski patrols and asked is it an efoil . They have been very friendly and more inquisitive . I explained it's an assist and not an efoil as when on the swell or wave the motor is off and out of the water. He said he can see that and personally doesn't have a problem with it and agreed it's not an efoil. The only thing they asked was to use it in the area between the flagged/patrolled areas . I was already doing that and conditions have been pretty bad so no surfers in the water , I also said if surfers paddle out I move on. They were happy with that and also commented they couldn't believe how far out I was and free foiling in and it looked amazing downwinding into the wave zone.

FYI the rule for efoils/jetskies is 400m from a patrolled area which pretty much rules out everywhere where I live as there are patrols apx 500m apart . If the patrolled beaches are closed you can tow in or efoil anywhere just need to stay 60m away from surfers or swimmers , pretty unlikely anyone would be paddle surfing or swimming on a closed beach break.

I think you've talked yourself into thinking it's not an e-foil, when in-fact it is, and spreading misinformation saying it isn't an e-foil is not the best thing to do either, as anytime you use the motor you are e-foiling and must stay 60m away from swimmers and surfers so that would rule out surfers paradise during patrolled beach times due to the volume of swimmers and surfers, and that means motoring back out after catching a wave.

It would be good to have certainty on this point otherwise one might fork out $$$ and not be able to use it at their local beach

Agree you should be away from surfers and swimmers. Easy to go down the beach.

Hilly as you move down the east coast you will find foiling not so appreciated.

What piros is doing in the video further up is efoiling and there are others in the water. It won't take long before this has the attention of authorities. efoil with small battery by definition a Pwc already.

I have been in the water already where sup fd foilers have pissed the paddle foils off with their lack of consideration let alone the normal surfers. It is surfing and that's what we humans do but there is a lot at stake for the surf foilers with foiling bans already in Sydney's east.

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AnyBoard said..
Hilly as you move down the east coast you will find foiling not so appreciated.

What piros is doing in the video further up is efoiling and there are others in the water. It won't take long before this has the attention of authorities. efoil with small battery by definition a Pwc already.

I have been in the water already where sup fd foilers have pissed the paddle foils off with their lack of consideration let alone the normal surfers. It is surfing and that's what we humans do but there is a lot at stake for the surf foilers with foiling bans already in Sydney's east.

Where abouts are you talking? Deep South NSW now and still no issues. But I do not go out at crowded spots.

For me, the best use for FD is making crap surf fun. I'm in the cold, wet winter in the UK. I've surf foiled 8 times 14 days at my local spot in crap weather and very average or crap surf and I've had a blast. I've taken around 50 to 60 waves in each session. Ive seen a total of 3 other surfers (non foil) and 1 seal during this time. I wouldn't have even thought about going in without a foil or foil drive. Im always considerate and I've used it 18 months without any issues.

I do think whether it's right or wrong, good or bad for surfing and/or foiling I think it's the future. As kit gets lighter, smaller, safer and more affordable more non foilers will see the light and particularly people that don't have access to reliable consistent ground swell.

Also many older surfers stop surfing - not because they can't surf or loose the stoke but because their bodies can't perform the paddle, pop up etc.. Foiling is low impact on joints and Foil drive does the paddle for you. People who've played golf all their life who then have a problems with hips, legs etc... They can't walk 18 holes so they use an electric Buggy to do the walk so they can still enjoy hitting the ball.!!!!

Let's not kid ourselves of the so called "Vibe" of surfing, this was lost along time ago. I stopped non foil surfing a few years ago after a **** show of a session, the surf was unreal but there was more agro than smiles . Lineups on good days displays some of the worst traits of human nature and probably some of the worst acts of sportsmanship of any sport.

So I say embrace Foil Drive because like it or not in some form or other it is the future!!