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Obviously Southace thinks he knows who the culprit is..........would be a pity though if he's wrong and un necisarry negative **** goes down and the whole episode turns into a damaging ****fight. I really think Admin should be forthcoming with the facts.........

I did not mention any names I just stated that the guilty party seems very knowlageble about Prop shaft bearings etc .....
Possibly from a engineering field,
and the english improved rapidly when giving there no paragraphed Expert opinon on Now n Zens prop seal.

its a real Shame the NZ. and French got involved before we had a chance to work it out amongst ourselfs.

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Guitz said...

twodogs1969 said..

Guitz said...
A hoax of this sort will have legal ramifications .......... I think said Blob will be more animated when the time comes to face the consequences, and because the offence was committed against us collectively as well as NZ SAR etc, it is essential we are kept informed of the proceedings and eventual outcome. In another place and time we would take it on ourselvs to sort such assholes out but as we are " more civilized " it is incumbent on the Law to do so on our behalf. This would be a great Pro Bono opportunity for some smart Internet savvy young layer wanting to make a splash.

Why would there be any leagel remefication?
All the person did was played a few people at not stage did they say they needed rescue.

Ok, I'm no legal expert but as soon as the thread became a possible "missing person at sea" situation it became more than just playing a few people, don't you think? Sounds like you are downplaying the whole episode. At that point I am assuming by law the hoaxer is mandated to let the relevant rescue agencies know that a rescue is not needed, or at the very least email or pm a forum participant in the thread to notify that a rescue was not needed. Given the fact that they where getting their jollies from taking prople for a ride thy would have known what was going on. The forum Admin at the very least should post updates on this thread....this statement is not enough..........

" Hi All, NZ Sea rescue & many others have been dragged into this - at the potential loss of life - so we've dug into our records to investigate here. From our research it suggests a high probability that this topic is a hoax. We know the logins involved & who they are. Thanks"

Obviously Southace thinks he knows who the culprit is..........would be a pity though if he's wrong and un necisarry negative **** goes down and the whole episode turns into a damaging ****fight. I really think Admin should be forthcoming with the facts.........

Was the hoaxer still monitoring the forum after the coast guard was notified?
The poster did say to McNaughtical they were no longer using this and now communicating with NZ.
Nothing will or really could happen to the poster imho.
the poster never said they needed help never said they were in danger what will they be charged for?

Do you know "the poster"? Maybe you should ask him?
I'm relatively new here and get the feeling there is more "in-house long term member" dynamics going on here that I don't have a clue about. Maybe the culprit should hire you as his defence lawyer? Sorry if I sound frustrated....... While I thought it was a possibility someone was in real trouble I went in to bat for them, now we know it was a hoax..!! then I say F#$% the hoaxer who F'd with peoples genuine support interest, care and concern not to mention sending the notified authorities into hours of work that could have been avoided by a timely notification from said F whit!! So in my humble opinion they deserve a whoping reality check....... and the sooner the better!

Where did this 'nagrom' caracter turn up from?

nagrom, backwards m o g a n

aynot nagrom (goggle) Tony A Morgan

Does anyone know anyone by that name or am l dreaming?

Guitz
I take offense to you aserting I have anything to do with this.
all I have done that seems to upset you is point out that it appears the poster has not broken any law from what is public here.
it was funny reading the post when they started that a few of the guys in here were going googoo over a new female on the forum.
I am not saying what was done was right just what they did was not breaking a law unlike someone throwing unfounded assertions around.

Mr. Administrator could you please close and delete this entire thread.

Do not get the trolls wet and do not feed them after midnight.

Ok, sorry for offending u 2 dogs.
I'm giving this thread a miss. Unfortunately with a post like yours loose change with it's ambiguity there is the distinct possibility I have just been called a Troll.

Nope not you Guitz, but rather the perpetrators of this sick little joke as he/she/they are still enjoying the mayhem. But if you wish to feel offended, don't let me stop you.

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[b]Sectorsteve said..

admin here dont tend to divulge much on these matters. We would all like to know....i better get outside and do something..xmas in july my house tomorrow. Big turkey. Pork belly...charcoal weber the lot temp drop tomorrow do gotta get the fires stoked. Big 44 gallon drum fire outside ready to go too

What time?

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Sectorsteve said..
Who alerted french coast guard and why?

Sectorsteve said..
admin here dont tend to divulge much on these matters. We would all like to know....i better get outside and do something..xmas in july my house tomorrow. Big turkey. Pork belly...charcoal weber the lot temp drop tomorrow do gotta get the fires stoked. Big 44 gallon drum fire outside ready to go too

I thought the answer would be obvious in that NZ SAR would try and establish the legitimacy and identity of the vessel before searching.

I realize Admin is low key etc, but I think we have a right to know,..... Maybe a freedom of info application will do the trick.
By the way thanks for the invite to xmas in july feast. Won't be able to make it this weekend... sounds good though

Its a small affair. Just 6 people everyone staying over. A song coming your wy this weekend probaly sunday!

Could everyone just cool it please!

There is no need for accusations, vebalism, tantrums etc. let the directors of this website decide what punishment the alleged perpetrator/s should receive.
After all we are not in year five so we should not act like children.

To delete this thread would be the biggest mistake anyone could commit.
If there is any serious animosity between some members it would spill over into other threads anyway.

I suggest to any contributor:

Firstly, think about what you are ready to write, then think again. Reconsider.
Secondly, when you have finished writing your contribution re-read it correcting grammar and syntax. Reconsider again.
Thirdly, count to hundred before you push the Send button.
Please. For the sake of all.

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Guitz
I take offense to you aserting I have anything to do with this.
all I have done that seems to upset you is point out that it appears the poster has not broken any law from what is public here.
it was funny reading the post when they started that a few of the guys in here were going googoo over a new female on the forum.
I am not saying what was done was right just what they did was not breaking a law unlike someone throwing unfounded assertions around.

Of course he doesnt think you have anything to do with it. No need for anyone to be offended. BTW lets see how big we can make this thread

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Nope not you Guitz, but rather the perpetrators of this sick little joke as he/she/they are still enjoying the mayhem. But if you wish to feel offended, don't let me stop you.

Nah I don't wish to be offended ........ I'm in back pedaling mode. My loose cannon has been tightened and I'm taking the good advise that's been offered.... Counting to 100...Push the button

Nearly 7000 hits this ones got to be a record!

It all started over someone's Romance thread I'm sure of it...... Some one was a bit lonely and wanted some PM from the male members.

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Nearly 7000 hits this ones got to be a record!

It all started over someone's Romance thread I'm sure of it...... Some one was a bit lonely and wanted some PM from the male members.

If anyones lonely pm me your email addy and ill message ya rather than you starting some story....

Obviously someone targeting you all prolific posters for a bit of fun. The bastard had the indecency to totally ignore my serious answers to a couple of questions.

Maybe they heard of my form on the SUP forum, and like the crew over there have chosen to give me a miss???? Might as well go eat worms!!!

Nonetheless, shameful the stupidity led to rescue authorities wasting valuable time and resources.

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Nearly 7000 hits this ones got to be a record!

It all started over someone's Romance thread I'm sure of it...... Some one was a bit lonely and wanted some PM from the male members.

So Lady Jane is a repressed transvestite male, with an urge to have intimate discussions with our male posters. He/she, has plenty of time to waste, has a broad beamed boat that he has had for 2.5 years, with a gland type packing on the prop shaft. Possibly moored in Corio Bay. Engineering background from a crummy school where they didnt teach pressure units properly. Or old school who hasnt got a feel for SI units.

Glad I didn't get involved in all this! Came close when Fiji was mentioned. Could have made a proper charlie of myself.

There's some odd balls around, and ones with too much time on their hands is my two bobs worth

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southace said..
Nearly 7000 hits this ones got to be a record!

It all started over someone's Romance thread I'm sure of it...... Some one was a bit lonely and wanted some PM from the male members.

So Lady Jane is a repressed transvestite male, with an urge to have intimate discussions with our male posters. He/she, has plenty of time to waste, has a broad beamed boat that he has had for 2.5 years, with a gland type packing on the prop shaft. Possibly moored in Corio Bay. Engineering background from a crummy school where they didnt teach pressure units properly. Or old school who hasnt got a feel for SI units.

Was down that way a few weeks ago and called into the Geelong Western Beach Boatclub. There was a beamy yacht moored at the end of the pier, met the owner originally from Holland.............how close am I Yarra?

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Yara said..

southace said..
Nearly 7000 hits this ones got to be a record!

It all started over someone's Romance thread I'm sure of it...... Some one was a bit lonely and wanted some PM from the male members.

So Lady Jane is a repressed transvestite male, with an urge to have intimate discussions with our male posters. He/she, has plenty of time to waste, has a broad beamed boat that he has had for 2.5 years, with a gland type packing on the prop shaft. Possibly moored in Corio Bay. Engineering background from a crummy school where they didnt teach pressure units properly. Or old school who hasnt got a feel for SI units.

Was down that way a few weeks ago and called into the Geelong Western Beach Boatclub. There was a beamy yacht moored at the end of the pier, met the owner originally from Holland.............how close am I Yarra?

i bloody knew it!!!! i bloody knew it.

i mentioned geelong earlier , remember… hahaha….sicko!!!

Well. ... didn't that accelerate. ... lol.

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Sectorsteve said..

Guitz said..

Yara said..

southace said..
Nearly 7000 hits this ones got to be a record!

It all started over someone's Romance thread I'm sure of it...... Some one was a bit lonely and wanted some PM from the male members.

So Lady Jane is a repressed transvestite male, with an urge to have intimate discussions with our male posters. He/she, has plenty of time to waste, has a broad beamed boat that he has had for 2.5 years, with a gland type packing on the prop shaft. Possibly moored in Corio Bay. Engineering background from a crummy school where they didnt teach pressure units properly. Or old school who hasnt got a feel for SI units.

Was down that way a few weeks ago and called into the Geelong Western Beach Boatclub. There was a beamy yacht moored at the end of the pier, met the owner originally from Holland.............how close am I Yarra?

i bloody knew it!!!! i bloody knew it.

i mentioned geelong earlier , remember… hahaha….sicko!!!

Haha I know Sector but we all passed your comment with a blind eye.
Just remember the forum rules though.
i have been digging way back deep into our forum and see a simularty to Miss Jane and a poster that hasn't posted for over 60 days.
lets just walk away from this one and learn from the experience.
And please if anyone is planing a passage and would like to share it post a ETA of your expected destination So this never happens again. That way it would be a binding legal contract!

Good call Yara and I agree with your actions. We all should have made the call earlier!

Only one thing to resolve now and that is, that those who sent and received emails from LJ should post them here for our critique.

There is no excuse now not to do so.

What may have been said, or not said, in those emails may have caused this hoax to be resolved some time ago.

Message to the original poster .......... Please seek professional help ,with your thought patterns.

Ok, I may be able to supply some answers. I've had a really long two days though and no longer care about spelling or gramma. If you need to stop and take a breath, then stop and take a breath. It's not going to hurt me if you don't. I may also be talking out of school, but it's what's been asked for..

Sectorsteve said..
toph can you tell us where LJ's emails/posts are coming from?

Telstra account from Sydney.

Yara said..
I am saddened that nobody responded when I remembered our late forum member Eero, who was lost overboard from his Walker H28.

I don't think any body has forgotten Eero. And maybe that tragedy played on a few peoples minds. You certainly can't fault them for that.

But is a water sport forum the correct place to hinge a rescue response on?? I would certainly not think so. But that is not to say that leaving passage plan details with an ETA with someone on here is an irresponsible thing to do. Rather I thing the opposite. But somebody who is prepared to sail a yacht with the said damage into sporty weather, must have extensive experience, and someone with said experience would know the proper channels for contact- and not a Romance thread on Seabreeze while getting a weather update for the South Pacific (right????) . Our assumptions (and the few members that could prove me wrong won't comment and fair enough) is that she did not leave such details. So, know the question is, is after just one week of a new member not posting here does that warrant the panic that has arisen? That is only an answer in my opinion the individual can answer and in Yarra's case, it seems so and that is his prerogative.

To NorhtlandRadio; I completely appreciate the message you convey in your post. Indeed if anyone has any doubt, the concern should be raised. If Yara (in this direct case) said nothing but it turned out to be something, how would he cope/deal with that? I am glad that there are people in this world like him. When I am hopefully cruising next year, I hope people take more than a passing interest. But in defence to this site; I was not prepared to give you (regardless of the situation) a direct number. I was in contact with the site owner at the time and informed him of your request. It was at that time already largely determined that LJ to be a hoax, but not 100%, and an effort was made to get in touch. Unfortunately we lead lives outside of here. For me, immediately after my response to you I had to leave for work. As an airline pilot, I am uncontactable for many, many hours. And do not feel for one minute that this did not play on my mind the entire time. So please do not judge the credibility of this site based on slow/incomplete information.

For the big question and answer. I doubt anybody here knows who the idiot the Mods believe is behind this. I can definitely confirm it is not a regular or even a semi regular contributor. And the suspect came and went in his original form just as quickly as LJ did. Please realise that this can't be 100% confirmed. But the suspect has not logged on since LJ's sign up date (but later then Southaces 60 days of the member he suspects). So I don't think a "name and shame" will serve any purpose.

I agree with Southace on many many of his opinions on this thread, from the inappropriateness of a 'watch' on this forum, to the beheading of the fool on this forum, to the appropriateness of a 'watch' on this forum. But if you are going to use it as a tool for SAR, than own it. Remember what you have said and advised and do the decent and considerate thing, and follow through. But also remember that neither this site or it participant in NO WAY are responsible of holding a SARWATCH for you.

As for the call for this thread to be closed and deleted... My opinion is for it to not be.. Closed possibly (but I don't feel there are any 'Trolls' here and the suspected fool certainly isn't). But deleted... I think it should stay until it runs its course for us all to learn the trouble that can be caused for what turned out to be nothing more than ****s and giggles.

Rant over......

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I am saddened that nobody responded when I remembered our late forum member Eero, who was lost overboard from his Walker H28.

Confession- 20 years ago I was conned by a French woman in an elaborate scam involving $3,000 and a Chanel trench coat. And I thought I was pretty street smart up to then. She was French, and very smart. Used lawyers to accuse me of harassing her when I tried to recover my money.
Felt better when I read in the paper later that she had scammed some poor other bloke out of $250k.

When i learnt Eero was missing, I emailed the police flyer to every flying school and charter operator along the SEQ coast that I could find, asking them to keep a lookout. I spent hours doing this. Never knew the guy, live on the other side of the country, but just wanted to help out, that's what this forum does to you, makes you want to say, what can I do/offer to help out.

When McNautical posted she was contacted by NZ maritime, I dove back into this thread trying to piece together the story to get some facts. My mind constantly swung from believer to doubter, again I spent hours searching the net trying to find anything I could to identify the person or the boat. By the way, there are quite a few "Lady Jane" boats out there, from super yachts to dinghys, one little Dragon class Lady Jane in France does quite well it appears, skipper is an Olympian, I even checked out his 300+ Facebook friends to try and find a Jane, and form a link in a chain. I couldn't find anything that linked this story with a fact that could be passed on.

I may have wasted a bit of time, but I'm glad I at least tried to help solve the puzzle, even in my own mind. Well done Yara, McNautical, Toph and others who actually made an effort to do something, to alert, seek further or disprove what was happening. Sure beats a smug "knew it all along" type.

A heartfelt thanks to Peter and all at Northland Radio NZ for following up on the initial contact and investigating, it's reassuring to know the efforts you guys go to with even scant information to ensure there is no risk that help will go unaided.

If sometimes you get taken for a ride, then so be it, but what I like best about this forum is that 99% of people are here to help, to offer advice, solve problems, point in the right direction, and give assistance; no questions asked.

Thanks for the clarification Troph, I'm glad it's not from Geelong as those fellas seemed like good blokes. Gave me a good tip on a little diesel boat heater from China.

That person who ever they were never asked for any emergence assistance other than where to do repairs in Australia, scam or no scam .
And as they stated they had a sate-phone and would have been quiet capable of contacting some one for assistance them selves.
After McNautical posted the poster "she" had contacted he father .
I felt all was in hand.
It was nothing like Eeros situation to me. A forum to me is not the place to call for emergencies
Why I asked about Eeros where about's in sea breeze was because Eero and my self usually chatted on face book regularly and I had not heard for him for a week .I then found a post on his face book page and my concern lessened but it was a bogus post which I didn't realise could happen but it can on face book.
I tried you ring him on his mobile many times with out success that's when I posted on here. As Eero had suggested he might sail down to the sea breeze get together down Brisbane.
Just before he disappeared he sent me a water flow meter sensor its sits next to my PC, but will fit it soon to the engine as a remembrance to him so every time I open the engine sea cock Ill see it. He was a good soul

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Yara said..
I am saddened that nobody responded when I remembered our late forum member Eero, who was lost overboard from his Walker H28.

Confession- 20 years ago I was conned by a French woman in an elaborate scam involving $3,000 and a Chanel trench coat. And I thought I was pretty street smart up to then. She was French, and very smart. Used lawyers to accuse me of harassing her when I tried to recover my money.
Felt better when I read in the paper later that she had scammed some poor other bloke out of $250k.

When i learnt Eero was missing, I emailed the police flyer to every flying school and charter operator along the SEQ coast that I could find, asking them to keep a lookout. I spent hours doing this. Never knew the guy, live on the other side of the country, but just wanted to help out, that's what this forum does to you, makes you want to say, what can I do/offer to help out.

When McNautical posted she was contacted by NZ maritime, I dove back into this thread trying to piece together the story to get some facts. My mind constantly swung from believer to doubter, again I spent hours searching the net trying to find anything I could to identify the person or the boat. By the way, there are quite a few "Lady Jane" boats out there, from super yachts to dinghys, one little Dragon class Lady Jane in France does quite well it appears, skipper is an Olympian, I even checked out his 300+ Facebook friends to try and find a Jane, and form a link in a chain. I couldn't find anything that linked this story with a fact that could be passed on.

I may have wasted a bit of time, but I'm glad I at least tried to help solve the puzzle, even in my own mind. Well done Yara, McNautical, Toph and others who actually made an effort to do something, to alert, seek further or disprove what was happening. Sure beats a smug "knew it all along" type.

A heartfelt thanks to Peter and all at Northland Radio NZ for following up on the initial contact and investigating, it's reassuring to know the efforts you guys go to with even scant information to ensure there is no risk that help will go unaided.

If sometimes you get taken for a ride, then so be it, but what I like best about this forum is that 99% of people are here to help, to offer advice, solve problems, point in the right direction, and give assistance; no questions asked.

Thanks FR

Jane died of cerebral cancer in 1992 without achieving her dream, sailing solo to Australia. I wanted to write that dream with real material from real sailors from Australia to make it real as a tribute to her, to ease the pain. I have achieved nothing, just made it worst. I have deceived the members of this forum beyond any reasonable level and I shall pay the price for many years to come. I am not asking for your forgiveness, I deserve every comments posted. You have done the right thing Yara by calling NZ, I would have done the same. I am so sorry to have disrupted such a fantastic community. I shall never post again.

Well, what can I say?