southace said..

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kiterboy said..

southace said...
It's ok blame me it's my fault sorry!

Too close to the truth huh?

Your calls for conservation and you're one of the exploiters and pillagers.

No wrong I did tucker trips done it all cause I love the ocean! I can share my experience with anyone in the industry what do you do? Boat people wipe there ass?

You do realise that you can fish commercially, but there are restrictions in place for operators to follow. If those limits are adhered to then Hopefully we should be good. We need the ocean for a food source, its that simple, but what we don't need is companies like Mitsubishi who say that the ocean is a limited resource, and we should catch as much of it as we can to profit, before its all gone

Ctngoodvibes said..

There is a few bordering on racist remarks you have made about asylum seekers southace. Best to keep that stuff out of the forum.

Mate i agree a tiny bit but can see were he is coming from. Southace is simply arguing on Kiteboys junior level so he can understand. I honestly can say i don't think i've meet a more immature approach to any argument on line ever than the way Kiteboy goes about his posting. Southace has obviously some real time experience involved with great white sharks. WHo else on line can claim to have that experience? Razzonator has some realtime marine experience as well and for that i give him the curtsey of having a bit more credit, but Kiteboy who won't even say what he does for a living (really we now very little about him at all except to say he is rather childish) expects us to all listen to him..?

I like how i refer to marine biologists and that info has to be crap, but then he use's info obtained from the net, from marine biologists?

The sad thing in all this is that with in a few weeks this thread will be long gone. No one will really give any suggestion or ideas and certainly won't be trying to work on any form of solution. Not until the next fatality will most of you stick your two bobs worth back in. But the people who do won't change, that are looking for REAL answers you'll just discount their opinion, because its not the same as yours

On a side not i will say yesterday i got my response from Parliament (and as i had privately said to a few my worst fears were realised). My question was watered down to ask just how many "Sharks had been tagged" Not " How many great white sharks have been tagged" . It still seems that no one wants the answer out their Anyway it didn't stop me, i then spent about an hour talking to possibly one of Australia's most credible Great white specialists. Very interesting.. Possibly a friend of yours Southace.. I did invite him into here and i linked him the thread directly but he laughed for nearly 5 minutes when i mentioned forums..SO i won't hold my breathe

Ctngoodvibes said..

I am relieved Suba is back to add to JBs insightful and intelligent comments

Tbh capt, suba has forgotten more than you know about the subject. Maybe listen and learn than shoot down.

rbl said..

I Like suba too, he helps with my spelling. He knows a lot about spelling

I find it slightly humorous that some of you say this is such a serous issue, yet trivialise someone just to try and win an argument or discredit someone with a different opinion then yours

jbshack said..

rbl said..

I Like suba too, he helps with my spelling. He knows a lot about spelling

I find it slightly humorous that some of you say this is such a serous issue, yet trivialise someone just to try and win an argument or discredit someone with a different opinion then yours

Irony at it's best.

subasurf said..

kiterboy said..


Sounds good, looking forward to reading it if it goes into a similar level of detail like here;

From memory, it has less detail on the actual biology of the sensory systems and more detail on breaking down observed predations and at which point the different sensory inputs are utilized most. I read the paper when it first came out (Feb, if I recall correctly) but can't remember much of it.

If you're really interested in some good research papers, Dr Domeier released a book last year regarding the biology and life history of White Sharks. Basically just a good book with solid peer reviewed papers covering many aspects of the sharks biology, spatial distribution, migration, conservation etc etc. It's definitely worth picking up if it's something you're genuinely interested in.
www.fishpond.com.au/Books/Global-Perspectives-on-Biology-and-Life-History-of-White-Shark-Michael-L-Domeier-Edited-by/9781439848401

That sounds really good.
I imagine there must be some sort of sensory hierarchy the shark goes through in the lead up to deciding to have a taste or not.
This has to be the key to exploit to develop deterrent strategies.

rbl said..

pretty sure i post when JB posts too.

You seem to have so much to offer

Ctngoodvibes said..

I believe it has been said a few times that Suba is nothing more than a undergrad doing a uni degree. He talks like he has plenty of experience when clearly he doesn't.
That being said he seems to have moderated himself just a little bit and stopped acting like a twat when someone has a different opinion. He must have learnt how to do that at uni.

So rather than have a valid opinion you attack him, bravo sir

Ctngoodvibes said..

I am not attacking him am I? Although he was very good at doing that himself in the past. To the point where people got so pissed they created his own thread so he could talk to himself.

How about staying on topic? The thread is about sharks not suba. Maybe slander then, attack is much to harsh.

pweedas said..

Is this thread still going?
I thought everything had been said by the 7th page.
Going by the posts on this page it looks like it is way past done.
We're now down to the personal character assessments of the various contributors.

So, as a final parting word, my summary is,..
The government wont do anything officially because the GW is a protected species.
To remove the protected species listing on it by federal decree will ruin the high ground we take when sledging other countries for their taking of wales, or the clubbing of dolphins, ot whatever else we take the moral high ground on. etc, so that's NOT going to happen.
Great Whites will remain a protected species.

The only other option is to remove individual sharks which are asessed to be a threat to human life, at the time of each attack, or in the cases where an attack is seen to be imminent.
This can only be done by state government decree when each situation arises.
This is probably sufficient to solve the problem to the point of making attacks rare, so long as permission is given immediately and without the two day delay that is more often the case.

The other outcome is, some people will not take kindly to the inactivitey and will do what needs to be done without reporting it.
I don't have any problem with that, and I hope they are successful.
I have a feeling they already have been, so thanks for that.

To maintain the appearance that the government is doing everything it can, while achieving little, more money will be spent on more studies and research which wont actually do anything to stop the problem except prove that GW's sometimes eat people.

Few things that I saw last night that suprised me.

GWS are not always hungry and are far from the eating machine portrayed.

Shark towers are useless, but spotter planes in conjustion with boats work very well as well as and with acoustic tags.

They are more often in the water when you are and you just dont know.

They dont always attack from the bottom.

Even small ones have huge amounts of mercury in them 1.5m - 2.5m.

Females can give birth to up to 4 pups in one hit and gestation is around 12 months and bread every two years.

Bugger how do i attach a saved PDF

I'm at the fisheries office now with the dodgiest wifi connection imaginable so I'm heading home to work instead.
I'll try and follow up on this thread later if people actually want to have a rational discussion.
Oh an jb, I got your message and I'll try and see what can be done. Busy days as I'm out on the water more than I'm at home these days.

pweedas said..

WA71 said..
Few things that I saw last night that suprised me.

GWS are not always hungry and are far from the eating machine portrayed.

Sharks don't eat everything they come across. And that includes GW's.
You could be swimming around with one underneath you and in all probability you would not be touched.
That's exactly what happened in the year Ken Crew got eaten.
During the preceding week, it swam under a few others between Cott and North Cott and it did not touch any of them.
But by the end of the week it decided to have a taste, and that resulted in a fatality.
That's the problem. An inquisitive or playful bite is often fatal.
The view that every GW shark is out to eat someone is incorrect, but that's not much consolation to the person who finally gets eaten.

Shark towers are useless, but spotter planes in conjunction with boats work very well as well as and with acoustic tags.

That's true. But all that provides no protection for anyone outside the area of patrols, and that's where many of the attacks are.
It also provides no protection outside the hours of the patrols, and that's also where manuy of the attacks happen, including in Perth metro beaches.

They are more often in the water when you are and you just dont know.

They dont always attack from the bottom.

That's right. That has always been the case.
Non of that eases the pain when they bite you. It's little consolation to say "Well, at least the others didn't bite me."

Even small ones have huge amounts of mercury in them 1.5m - 2.5m.

Anything at the top of the food chain accumulates heavy metals because they take in all the toxic materials that were eaten by the lower species they eat.
Some toxic materials, particularly heavy metals, are not able to be expelled by the usual biological processes which we use to get rid of most other toxic substances.
People are in exactly the same situation which is why we have strict food standards.

Females can give birth to up to 4 pups in one hit and gestation is around 12 months and bread every two years.

The number of births is not an indication of survival rate.
Whatever the birth rate is, maybe only one will survive in any year.
Tiger snakes give birth to around 12 to 15 each year. Most don't survive, thankfully.

Oh yea you are a windsurfer, so you are not in the water unless you fall off. So very limited time actually exposed to any sort of attack, unless a mast breaks etc. Where as I sit in the water up to my chest, for up to two hours at a time.
I think I/surfers have much more to worry about than you pweets

^ E - all of the above

I like that fact some people are actualy learning from this thread even the fact that some are googling there facts from places such as Christmas Island...etc....it's showing a real turn around from the cull cull approach as its possible people are realising that's not going to be a option in the near future.

The fact is that the sharks are in the sea and we enter there domain. Like I said from the start technology and education is the only way in the short term we can live together.

Ironic shark week is running docos on GWS and it seems they are all about tagging with Accustic and pop off tags which is all to do with pole tagging and fairly basic technology using satellite transmissions....this is not real time tracking as real time tracking needs a personal GPS bolted to the the animal.

Diving company's are closing down and beach uses seem to have a bit of paranoia going on so I belive the stranded attacks will actually decrease now over the next few years Until a good option of alarming people if sharks are in the area and people feel safe again. from the start of this thread I gave this option ...technology, education and warning alarms but it seemed most where to angry at the time to understand this is our options.

I still think 1 death is unfortunate but from 2.5 million in WA over a 12 month period seems the odds are still on our side not the GWS.

P.S if you watching Shark week I'm on the occasional doco with tagging in Australia.