April 25th 2005 :

"Perth is facing the possibility of a catastrophic failure of the city's water supply," says Tim Flannery, director of the South Australian Museum and Australia's most high profile scientist

"I'm personally more worried about Sydney than Perth," Flannery told me.

"There's only two years' water supply in Warragamba Dam," says Flannery, " yet Frank Sartor [NSW Minister for Energy and Utilities] is talking about the situation being stable . If the computer models are right then drought conditions will become permanent in eastern Australia."


ABC News 1 Dec 2008 :
Perth has recorded its wettest and coolest November since 1991.

ABC News 29 Aug 2018
You aren't imagining it - Perth is experiencing an exceptionally wet month, recording its highest August rainfall in more than five decades

ABC News 30 Nov 2020
An unusually strong cold front cements November as Perth's wettest on record and its coolest in 12 years

ABC News 22 March 2021
Warragamba Dam spilling Sydney Harbour's worth of water each day into Sydney basin. That daily spill equates to nearly a quarter of the dam's total capacity of 2,000 gigalitres. It is not much less than the 567 gigalitres that the Sydney population drinks in one year

ABC News Headlines 11th November 2021 :
Flood warnings keep coming, so what's causing the downpours ?

Flooding fears, dams at capacity as NSW braces for another soaking

NSW Now: Dams expected to spill as wild weather forecast

Floodwatch continues for parts of Queensland as final wintery blast set to deliver more wild weather

Water NSW Dam Levels 11 Nov 2021 :
LATEST TOTAL STORAGE AND SUPPLY INFO - ALL DAMS 93.9%
WARRAGAMBA DAM 97.0%
WARRAGAMBA DAM THIS TIME LAST YEAR 98.1%



Thank goodness nobody is listening to Australia's most high profile scientist, Tim Flannery anymore and we have the voice of reason from Greta to guide us out of the wilderness now.



www.smh.com.au/national/running-out-of-water-and-time-20050425-gdl6xe.html
search-beta.abc.net.au/index.html?siteTitle=news#/?query=perth%20rain%20records&page=1
www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-11/heavy-rain-and-flooding-to-hit-large-parts-of-new-south-wales/100611356
www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-11/flooding-update-thursday/100609896
www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-11/qld-wet-weather-flooding-rainfall-storms/100610702
www.waternsw.com.au/supply/Greater-Sydney/greater-sydneys-dam-levels

I heard on the radio just two days ago that we are just experiencing a "wet drought" so not sure what your point is, its still a drought.

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cammd said..
I heard on the radio just two days ago that we are just experiencing a "wet drought" so not sure what your point is, its still a drought.

Jeepers... That sounds like a thought drought.

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cammd said..
I heard on the radio just two days ago that we are just experiencing a "wet drought" so not sure what your point is, its still a drought.

Whats a "wet drought"? Apparently you can fail english and still get a science degree.

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Subsonic said..

cammd said..
I heard on the radio just two days ago that we are just experiencing a "wet drought" so not sure what your point is, its still a drought.

Whats a "wet drought"? Apparently you can fail english and still get a science degree.

Fancy way of saying excess rainfall also effects crop yields

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Stupid way of saying excess rainfall also effects crop yields

Fixed that for ya.

Well Wivenhoe Dam is still below 40% capacity, so we're not exactly sorted yet.

For a country that water is so precious too, we have a bad way of managing it.

Growing Rice and Cotton in the worlds second driest continent, MMMM ?

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If the computer models are right then drought conditions will become permanent in eastern Australia.

Scientists cannot write code.

There's probably a...

If (((not ¬IsNotSomething and &isNotSomethingElse) and &isNotEqual) or ¬NotIsNotTheOtherThing)

...buried in their model somewhere. I guarantee it. thousands probably.

Full Disclosure: Civilisation is built on this stuff now, and most programmers, like 90%+, cannot write code.

Everything is broken. Especially the SeaBreaze forum post editor for the last 5+ years.

To get a really cool, 5 minute overview of where civilisation is heading read this:
blog.codinghorror.com/why-cant-programmers-program/

And now even your ****ing door bell runs on this stuff.

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evlPanda said..

If the computer models are right then drought conditions will become permanent in eastern Australia.

Scientists cannot write code.

There's probably a...

If (((not ¬IsNotSomething and &isNotSomethingElse) and &isNotEqual) or ¬NotIsNotTheOtherThing)

...buried in their model somewhere. I guarantee it. thousands probably.

Full Disclosure: Civilisation is built on this stuff now, and most programmers, like 90%+, cannot write code.

Everything is broken. Especially the SeaBreaze forum post editor for the last 5+ years.

To get a really cool, 5 minute overview of where civilisation is heading read this:
blog.codinghorror.com/why-cant-programmers-program/

And now even your ****ing door bell runs on this stuff.

I don't get it. How can someone pass a comp sci degree without being able to code something so simple? Surely its not true.

Is everyone copying someone else's code and there's only one guy in the subject that knows what he is doing?

I got knocked back (partially) for a job because I hadn't used their language of choice. To me, a real programmer can program in anything, just give them the basics. Logic is logic.

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FormulaNova said..

I got knocked back (partially) for a job because I hadn't used their language of choice. To me, a real programmer can program in anything, just give them the basics. Logic is logic.

They probably wanted someone to program in Python. The programming language of choice for soothsaying scientists.

Modelers need to be held accountable every time they go in front of the press and open their big stupid mouths about the opinions their models spit out. Might see a lot less fear-mongering from those morbid schmucks.

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Kamikuza said..
Modelers need to be held accountable every time they go in front of the press

Good point.

By the way a Wet Drought is something similar to a Calton Dry.

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Carantoc said..
April 25th 2005 :

"Perth is facing the possibility of a catastrophic failure of the city's water supply," says Tim Flannery, director of the South Australian Museum and Australia's most high profile scientist

"I'm personally more worried about Sydney than Perth," Flannery told me.

"There's only two years' water supply in Warragamba Dam," says Flannery, " yet Frank Sartor [NSW Minister for Energy and Utilities] is talking about the situation being stable . If the computer models are right then drought conditions will become permanent in eastern Australia."


ABC News 1 Dec 2008 :
Perth has recorded its wettest and coolest November since 1991.

ABC News 29 Aug 2018
You aren't imagining it - Perth is experiencing an exceptionally wet month, recording its highest August rainfall in more than five decades

ABC News 30 Nov 2020
An unusually strong cold front cements November as Perth's wettest on record and its coolest in 12 years

ABC News 22 March 2021
Warragamba Dam spilling Sydney Harbour's worth of water each day into Sydney basin. That daily spill equates to nearly a quarter of the dam's total capacity of 2,000 gigalitres. It is not much less than the 567 gigalitres that the Sydney population drinks in one year

ABC News Headlines 11th November 2021 :
Flood warnings keep coming, so what's causing the downpours ?

Flooding fears, dams at capacity as NSW braces for another soaking

NSW Now: Dams expected to spill as wild weather forecast

Floodwatch continues for parts of Queensland as final wintery blast set to deliver more wild weather

Water NSW Dam Levels 11 Nov 2021 :
LATEST TOTAL STORAGE AND SUPPLY INFO - ALL DAMS 93.9%
WARRAGAMBA DAM 97.0%
WARRAGAMBA DAM THIS TIME LAST YEAR 98.1%



Thank goodness nobody is listening to Australia's most high profile scientist, Tim Flannery anymore and we have the voice of reason from Greta to guide us out of the wilderness now.



www.smh.com.au/national/running-out-of-water-and-time-20050425-gdl6xe.html
search-beta.abc.net.au/index.html?siteTitle=news#/?query=perth%20rain%20records&page=1
www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-11/heavy-rain-and-flooding-to-hit-large-parts-of-new-south-wales/100611356
www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-11/flooding-update-thursday/100609896
www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-11/qld-wet-weather-flooding-rainfall-storms/100610702
www.waternsw.com.au/supply/Greater-Sydney/greater-sydneys-dam-levels

What is the point you are making? Tim Flannery is one scientist, who made a prediction In 2005 that may or may not be right.....

So what!

Experts are dragged up, several times, every single day, on the media to make predictions.

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KiteboyDave said..

Carantoc said..
April 25th 2005 :

"Perth is facing the possibility of a catastrophic failure of the city's water supply," says Tim Flannery, director of the South Australian Museum and Australia's most high profile scientist

"I'm personally more worried about Sydney than Perth," Flannery told me.

"There's only two years' water supply in Warragamba Dam," says Flannery, " yet Frank Sartor [NSW Minister for Energy and Utilities] is talking about the situation being stable . If the computer models are right then drought conditions will become permanent in eastern Australia."


ABC News 1 Dec 2008 :
Perth has recorded its wettest and coolest November since 1991.

ABC News 29 Aug 2018
You aren't imagining it - Perth is experiencing an exceptionally wet month, recording its highest August rainfall in more than five decades

ABC News 30 Nov 2020
An unusually strong cold front cements November as Perth's wettest on record and its coolest in 12 years

ABC News 22 March 2021
Warragamba Dam spilling Sydney Harbour's worth of water each day into Sydney basin. That daily spill equates to nearly a quarter of the dam's total capacity of 2,000 gigalitres. It is not much less than the 567 gigalitres that the Sydney population drinks in one year

ABC News Headlines 11th November 2021 :
Flood warnings keep coming, so what's causing the downpours ?

Flooding fears, dams at capacity as NSW braces for another soaking

NSW Now: Dams expected to spill as wild weather forecast

Floodwatch continues for parts of Queensland as final wintery blast set to deliver more wild weather

Water NSW Dam Levels 11 Nov 2021 :
LATEST TOTAL STORAGE AND SUPPLY INFO - ALL DAMS 93.9%
WARRAGAMBA DAM 97.0%
WARRAGAMBA DAM THIS TIME LAST YEAR 98.1%



Thank goodness nobody is listening to Australia's most high profile scientist, Tim Flannery anymore and we have the voice of reason from Greta to guide us out of the wilderness now.



www.smh.com.au/national/running-out-of-water-and-time-20050425-gdl6xe.html
search-beta.abc.net.au/index.html?siteTitle=news#/?query=perth%20rain%20records&page=1
www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-11/heavy-rain-and-flooding-to-hit-large-parts-of-new-south-wales/100611356
www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-11/flooding-update-thursday/100609896
www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-11/qld-wet-weather-flooding-rainfall-storms/100610702
www.waternsw.com.au/supply/Greater-Sydney/greater-sydneys-dam-levels

What is the point you are making? Tim Flannery is one scientist, who made a prediction In 2005 that may or may not be right.....

So what!

Experts are dragged up, several times, every single day, on the media to make predictions.

Ever read the story "the boy who cried wolf"?


Making claims that a catastrophe is about to happen(especially as a scientist) that doesn't eventuate, or the exact opposite happens, can severely damage the view the general public has of the science used to predict climate change. I doubt he (or any other scientist) gets dragged to the pedestal to preach.

seabreeze tells me we should get a 19knt seabreeze next thursday in perth. Should i jump on bookface and tell everyone its a sure fire thing? No? Why not? Because its a prediction, not a given. Same with his climate change modelling data.

^^^ yeah and all, and I think modelling the weather and especially the climate is very, very difficult. It's not dissimilar to the three body problem with feedback from and to every parameter.

Nonetheless, when billions of people use more and more, and more energy and waste and pollution something bad is going to happen. D'uh.

I'm just saying we can't know exactly what. But the general direction and outcome is obvious; more energy and pollution and waste and destruction of the environment, all in massive scales .the outcome will obviously be "not good".

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evlPanda said..
^^^ yeah and all, and I think modelling the weather and especially the climate is very, very difficult. It's not dissimilar to the three body problem with feedback from and to every parameter.

Nonetheless, when billions of people use more and more, and more energy and waste and pollution something bad is going to happen. D'uh.

I'm just saying we can't know exactly what. But the general direction and outcome is obvious; more energy and pollution and waste and destruction of the environment, all in massive scales .the outcome will obviously be "not good".

Yes, exactly right. I don't think anyone really believes what the experts tell us each day. I know I don't.

When the pandemic started financial experts were pretty much in agreement that property prices would slump 20%, the reverse happened.

Whatever, Tim Flannery studied mammals, wtf are his qualifications on climate?

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evlPanda said..
^^^ yeah and all, and I think modelling the weather and especially the climate is very, very difficult. It's not dissimilar to the three body problem with feedback from and to every parameter.

Nonetheless, when billions of people use more and more, and more energy and waste and pollution something bad is going to happen. D'uh.

I'm just saying we can't know exactly what. But the general direction and outcome is obvious; more energy and pollution and waste and destruction of the environment, all in massive scales .the outcome will obviously be "not good".

May be using more and more but CO2 emissions from the countries enacting ever stricter limits have been falling for decades, before this particular revolution of climate alarmism came back around....

When Asia stops burning off the paddy fields and powering everything with two stroke motors, I might worry a bit more about it.

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bjw said..

Kamikuza said..
Modelers need to be held accountable every time they go in front of the press

Good point.

By the way a Wet Drought is something similar to a Calton Dry.

What, a load of sh!t?

ople use more and more, and more energy and waste and polluti

Just try to remember that E=mc2.
So, no. The energy remains, we are not living on an anti- matter planet.

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Subsonic said..

cammd said..
I heard on the radio just two days ago that we are just experiencing a "wet drought" so not sure what your point is, its still a drought.

Whats a "wet drought"? Apparently you can fail english and still get a science degree.

its way to explain an incorrect climate prediction I assume

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psychojoe said..
ople use more and more, and more energy and waste and polluti

Just try to remember that E=mc2.
So, no. The energy remains, we are not living on an anti- matter planet.

I'm neither a climate warming alarmist nor denier, but my warning bell does go off when I see a misapplication of science.

Firstly, it's not to do with the energy people produce that will warm the planet. The radiative heat from the sun each day eclipses anything we could produce. (See what I did there....eclipses....hahahaha). It's about the insulating blanket produced by so-called green house gases that may warm the planet.

Secondly, the whole point of E=mc2 is that the energy is not constant. That equation states that mass can be converted into energy, so that the total energy in the system actually does increases. That's why it was so revolutionary and initially denied by the science community at the time....actually destroying mass and adding energy to the system.....it went against everything that was known. However, I do love the double irony in this.....there's the reference to anti-matter when E=mc2 actually does result in mass disappearing forever, literally breaking the Newtonian 'conservation of mass' law, and then the fact that although any E=mc2 reaction actually does increase the energy in the system, it doesn't produce any green houses gasses so therefore is not relevant to global warming. (Except that it is a way to produce energy without producing green house gases.)

As soon as someone tells you that man-made climate change is 'undeniably' occurring, then you should question what they have to say. You know they probably are not capable of intelligent and objective debate. When they say but 'the science' proves it, then you know they are a poor scientist. Maybe it is man-made, but it is not '100% undeniable' at this point. I'm not saying that there isn't enough risk that we shouldn't be doing anything about it, but you can't say it's '100% undeniable'.

A good friend of mine recently won an internationally recognised award for his research on the impact of coastal wetlands on climate change. (Coastal wetlands store more CO2 per unit area than any other natural ecosystem). When I went to see him give a talk on the research, he was using phrases such as "to the best of our current knowledge", "as far as we can tell", "the data strongly suggests". Comments like that are the hallmark of someone who genuinely understands scientific investigation and who's opinion I respect and with whom I can have an intelligent discussion.

That's why peat moss for gardening is now banned in the uk
The mining of it realises heaps of co2

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Harrow said..
As soon as someone tells you that man-made climate change is 'undeniably' occurring, then you should question what they have to say. You know they probably are not capable of intelligent and objective debate. When they say but 'the science' proves it, then you know they are a poor scientist. Maybe it is man-made, but it is not '100% undeniable' at this point. I'm not saying that there isn't enough risk that we shouldn't be doing anything about it, but you can't say it's '100% undeniable'.

A good friend of mine recently won an internationally recognised award for his research on the impact of coastal wetlands on climate change. (Coastal wetlands store more CO2 per unit area than any other natural ecosystem). When I went to see him give a talk on the research, he was using phrases such as "to the best of our current knowledge", "as far as we can tell", "the data strongly suggests". Comments like that are the hallmark of someone who genuinely understands scientific investigation and who's opinion I respect and with whom I can have an intelligent discussion.

Spot on Harrow
Good scientists are typically curious/open minded and are analytical
Pseudo scientists talk in absolutes and are emotional


Most zealots doing more harm than good re: getting the public on board to demand a reduction in overall pollution and loss of habitat

"The fundamental cause of the trouble in the modern world is that the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt."-Bertrand Russell.

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Harrow said..
As soon as someone tells you that man-made climate change is 'undeniably' occurring, then you should question what they have to say. You know they probably are not capable of intelligent and objective debate. When they say but 'the science' proves it, then you know they are a poor scientist. Maybe it is man-made, but it is not '100% undeniable' at this point. I'm not saying that there isn't enough risk that we shouldn't be doing anything about it, but you can't say it's '100% undeniable'.

A good friend of mine recently won an internationally recognised award for his research on the impact of coastal wetlands on climate change. (Coastal wetlands store more CO2 per unit area than any other natural ecosystem). When I went to see him give a talk on the research, he was using phrases such as "to the best of our current knowledge", "as far as we can tell", "the data strongly suggests". Comments like that are the hallmark of someone who genuinely understands scientific investigation and who's opinion I respect and with whom I can have an intelligent discussion.

Re: This is interesting observation because may confirm my suggestion that flooding vast areas of our waste dry deserted land with
saline ocean water may be beneficial. Obviously that is beyond our short sighted vision of geo engineering at this moment, but
few hundred years of research of you fellow wetland scientist may one day brings the fruits.
We could convert one day Australia from driest contented into premia like tropical forest. In few hundred years from now we could dredge channels deep into continent, lie pipes and flood land with ocean water! Create new gigantic lakes ,like sea inside hottest outback's.
PS. I really been reluctant to send any post because it instantly attract critics base not on any merits but personal heatred deeply rooted here on SB. So better ,please nobody comment on my post, unless counterarguments can be presented ,not just another abuse.
So lets assume my post a small record that don't need another FN like exchange.

www.abc.net.au/news/science/2021-11-14/amazon-rainforest-fire-drought-affecting-worlds-weather/100603594

In the future we could actullya reverse what is going on in Amazon region. Their deforestation lead to dry climate and we could provoke wet climate here by brute but intelligently applied force.

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Macroscien said..

...other stuff....

PS. I really been reluctant to send any post because it instantly attract critics base not on any merits but personal heatred deeply rooted here on SB. So better ,please nobody comment on my post, unless counterarguments can be presented ,not just another abuse.
So lets assume my post a small record that don't need another FN like exchange.

for the record, you seem to get upset when anyone challenges your ideas and then go off on a tirade of strange responses. There is no 'hatred'. You have posted some offensive things in the past when someone has dared challenge your ideas.

I have only seen 'abuse' when you have stated something totally out of the world where someone then challenges it. If you think this is 'abuse' then clearly you are no scientist. A scientist would take onboard other opinions and suggestions not get all defensive.

You seem to think you are being bullied, but this is not it. Criticism of ideas is not bullying.

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Macroscien said..

Harrow said..
As soon as someone tells you that man-made climate change is 'undeniably' occurring, then you should question what they have to say. You know they probably are not capable of intelligent and objective debate. When they say but 'the science' proves it, then you know they are a poor scientist. Maybe it is man-made, but it is not '100% undeniable' at this point. I'm not saying that there isn't enough risk that we shouldn't be doing anything about it, but you can't say it's '100% undeniable'.

A good friend of mine recently won an internationally recognised award for his research on the impact of coastal wetlands on climate change. (Coastal wetlands store more CO2 per unit area than any other natural ecosystem). When I went to see him give a talk on the research, he was using phrases such as "to the best of our current knowledge", "as far as we can tell", "the data strongly suggests". Comments like that are the hallmark of someone who genuinely understands scientific investigation and who's opinion I respect and with whom I can have an intelligent discussion.

Re: This is interesting observation because may confirm my suggestion that flooding vast areas of our waste dry deserted land with
saline ocean water may be beneficial. Obviously that is beyond our short sighted vision of geo engineering at this moment, but
few hundred years of research of you fellow wetland scientist may one day brings the fruits.
We could convert one day Australia from driest contented into premia like tropical forest. In few hundred years from now we could dredge channels deep into continent, lie pipes and flood land with ocean water! Create new gigantic lakes ,like sea inside hottest outback's.
PS. I really been reluctant to send any post because it instantly attract critics base not on any merits but personal heatred deeply rooted here on SB. So better ,please nobody comment on my post, unless counterarguments can be presented ,not just another abuse.
So lets assume my post a small record that don't need another FN like exchange.

www.abc.net.au/news/science/2021-11-14/amazon-rainforest-fire-drought-affecting-worlds-weather/100603594

In the future we could actullya reverse what is going on in Amazon region. Their deforestation lead to dry climate and we could provoke wet climate here by brute but intelligently applied force.

Hello there Macro , I'm back.
The observation that parts of Australia's inland could be flooded has been made more than once previously, along with the observation that much of it shows indications of having previously been a salt waterway, lake Eyre for example , much of which is below sea level.
Astute observers have suggested that flooding of these areas by opening to the sea would/should ultimately create a much altered inland once the regional climate adjusted to the increased water and humidity creating a micro climate conducive to greater cultivation and productivity. All this would take a great deal of time to achieve ( which strikes it off the political agenda ) and has been put forward previously.
Wouldn't it be great if we had a political structure that fostered LEADERS rather than incessant bickering. We have so much potential yet appear to lack the will to realize it.

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FormulaNova said..

Macroscien said..

...other stuff....

PS. I really been reluctant to send any post because it instantly attract critics base not on any merits but personal heatred deeply rooted here on SB. So better ,please nobody comment on my post, unless counterarguments can be presented ,not just another abuse.
So lets assume my post a small record that don't need another FN like exchange.

for the record, you seem to get upset when anyone challenges your ideas and then go off on a tirade of strange responses. There is no 'hatred'. You have posted some offensive things in the past when someone has dared challenge your ideas.

I have only seen 'abuse' when you have stated something totally out of the world where someone then challenges it. If you think this is 'abuse' then clearly you are no scientist. A scientist would take onboard other opinions and suggestions not get all defensive.

You seem to think you are being bullied, but this is not it. Criticism of ideas is not bullying.

This criticism never actually touch the merits or present any contra arguments.
This is not criticism of my ideas even but straight forward personal attack.
As example above - several sentences with intention to damage like personal well being but nothing about ideas itself.
" clearly you are no scientist. "
not a world about presented idea.
I fall again into this trap of exchange , I promised myself to be more careful. Never respond to Bob already.By progressive's elimination I my soon stop responding to everybody and eventually finish on browsing weather forecast only on SB.BTW, Peer reviews of my ideas /or anybody else doesn't mean straight critics everything and negation of everything.
In science world criticism make sense if you could present better explanation, improved concept, closer equitation and better prediction of results.

As to yourself FN it is still not to late to consider everybody's wife careea . to remind the victims that everything they do in life is always wrong. FN= SB wife to everybody here.
To prove your case false I can only say that is statistically improbable to be always 100% wrong -as you suggest about Macro.