Anyone who thinks the earth is sustainable for humans is deluded. We need about 7 earths to sustain our current lifestyles, 40 if everyone had the lifestyle of North Americans. There should only be a few hundred million of humans on earth to be sustainable in the long term, much less than ZPG.

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TheRodder said..
Anyone who thinks the earth is sustainable for humans is deluded. We need about 7 earths to sustain our current lifestyles, 40 if everyone had the lifestyle of North Americans. There should only be a few hundred million of humans on earth to be sustainable in the long term, much less than ZPG.

So bit by bit we work on it.
As we do with all complex matters.

No more baby bonuses like Costello and Howard came up with.
That had a huge effect on our population growth in that short period.
If we must grow Australia's population we do that by immigration.
The mere mention that we need to grow our population has had an effect in Australia.
Maybe if religions suggested that the world needs to de populate.
I'd be confident that would have some effect.
How about the Catholic church encourages African nations to put on a condome.

Remember how there was a scheme in India that men who agreed to have a vasectomy got a radio.
Millions of young men had vasectomies.
I'm not suggesting the Chinese one child policy would work everywhere.
However it certainly worked in China while it was their policy.
Different strokes for different folks.

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Knottedup said..

TheRodder said..
Anyone who thinks the earth is sustainable for humans is deluded. We need about 7 earths to sustain our current lifestyles, 40 if everyone had the lifestyle of North Americans. There should only be a few hundred million of humans on earth to be sustainable in the long term, much less than ZPG.

So bit by bit we work on it.
As we do with all complex matters.

No more baby bonuses like Costello and Howard came up with.
That had a huge effect on our population growth in that short period.
If we must grow Australia's population we do that by immigration.
The mere mention that we need to grow our population has had an effect in Australia.
Maybe if religions suggested that the world needs to de populate.
I'd be confident that would have some effect.
How about the Catholic church encourages African nations to put on a condome.

Remember how there was a scheme in India that men who agreed to have a vasectomy got a radio.
Millions of young men had vasectomies.
I'm not suggesting the Chinese one child policy would work everywhere.
However it certainly worked in China while it was their policy.
Different strokes for different folks.

That's all a short term result.

Why is out population low here? Its because we have a high living standard, but also have a high cost of living. People are also able to live without needing their children to look after them in old age, so they don't need any or don't need as many. Our geography doesn't support as many people as the land size would suggest.

Why is the population much larger in places like India? Its because you need to have children to look after you in old age, children die from preventable diseases, and the lifestyle allows for more children. No need to have private school costs when you are happy to just have some education available at all.

So, is high local birth rate here going to affect us? Not in the long term as those people stop having children after the short term stimulus is over.

Is immigration the answer? Well no, because those people come here and their children have the same problem as the people already here and stop having big families for the same reasons.


What a lot of people don't realise yet, is that the global birth rate is falling. People automatically assume the population is still increasing, but its not. Apparently the population rates have started falling, due to better health care and better education. For all those anti-vaxers and conspiracy theorists, apparently Bill Gates and his work is helping provide better health care for people and as a result they don't need to have 10 children to make sure there are enough to look after them in old age.

Chinas' one baby policy one would think would produce a birth rate of 1 or less

But Chinas' birth rate is about 1.3ish, which is about the same as many of its neighbors which have had no government birth control policies.

Why? How is this so?

Its because government interventions do not work but development and arguably capitalism does. Chinas' birth rate reduced because it developed, as S Korea, Vietnam, Thailand etc did as well.

Developed nations have well below replacement rate birth levels, which is 2.1, one European country had a rate below 1 for a while.

Allowing countries to prosper and develop will result in a shinking world population, after it peaks at about 11 billion in 2100

Keep hold countries back with restrictve green and regressive 'sustainability' policies, that us in the west never had to endure while developing, and worlds population will keep increasing.

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Knottedup said..
How about the Catholic church encourages African nations to put on a condome.

I think they're busy teaching them to spell.

The Christian fertility rate also varies from country to country. In the 20-year period from 1989–2009, the average world fertility rate decreased from 3.50 to 2.58, a fall of 0.92 children per women or 26%. The weighted average fertility rate for Christian nations decreased in the same period from 3.26 to 2.58, a fall of 0.68 children per women or 21%.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_population_growth

Some African countries have a fertilty rates of around 4 or 5

Religion is not Africas problem in regards to high fertility rates, lack of development is the issue.

The solution to overpopulation and poverty is female emancipation. Once this happens, and women can control their own bodies, the birth rate rapidly declines.

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RumChaser said..
I don't think anything will change while political parties receive massive donations from large companies which have an interest in keeping the status quo. If you want a cleaner world, I think this would be the place to start.

It's actually, really, truly terrifying to think the only "politician" that's saying this, like really making a huge, loud, childlike tantrum like point about it, and being actually heard above all the background noise is ...Donald Trump.

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TheRodder said..
The solution to overpopulation and poverty is female emancipation. Once this happens, and women can control their own bodies, the birth rate rapidly declines.

Or push the antivaxers rant and allow natural selection.

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What a lot of people don't realise yet, is that the global birth rate is falling. People automatically assume the population is still increasing, but its not. Apparently the population rates have started falling, due to better health care and better education. For all those anti-vaxers and conspiracy theorists, apparently Bill Gates and his work is helping provide better health care for people and as a result they don't need to have 10 children to make sure there are enough to look after them in old age.

Birth rate is falling but population is definitely still increasing.

www.worldometers.info/world-population/