Tbh im not a lover of him, but if you look at the actual facts on his criteria to enter Victoria hes done what was requested of him if he was your average Joe he'd be soaking up the sun chasing chick's and chucking some cold ones in him

Meanwhile, if you lied on your visa application in Serbia you would have an AK47 jabbed in your back as you are marched back to the departures hall for your flight back to anywhere but there.
Good riddance. Anybody see a tsunami or catch COVID today?

COVID thread.. 1...2....3....

if this world tournament was in China, would h have taken the government to task, or accepted their requirements of entry into the country.

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if this world tournament was in China, would h have taken the government to task, or accepted their requirements of entry into the country.

Well he did got a visa prior travel.

This is political punishment, nothing to do w health orders.

Accept the fact that Australia punishes people based on their opinions.

Stay classy Australia

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if this world tournament was in China, would h have taken the government to task, or accepted their requirements of entry into the country.

Pretty sure the Aus Open will be gone from the tennis calendar before too long, and btw WA, it was the judges that expelled him, they merely upheld that it is within the powers of the Minister to do pretty much whatever he likes in the name of strong borders, always been a winner with a certain demographic.

IMO it is unfortunate that Djokovic got caught up in this mess effectively through no fault of his own. Tennis Australia and the Vic. Gov't have a lot to answer .Tiley must go .
As I understand around Nov. ATP asked the Fed. Health about medical exemptions and received a reply from Hunt that having had Covid within 6 months are NOT grounds for an exemption. They chose to ignore ( challenge) this advice and they along with the Vic. Gov't issued Djokovic with a medical exemption on the grounds he was not a health risk. Visas are issued on the basis that appropriate documentation will be provided upon entry unless you are red flagged .Djokovic had previously refused to confirm or deny he was vaccinated .
Border Force and all their Alpha enforcers went over the top and the judge stopped the deportation the first time on the grounds that Djokovic was not given the opportunity to seek legal advice . Nothing to do with exemptions.

I'm over it !
Its sad that's all you hear about on the news . And then if there is any time left , a volcano exploded , villages destroyed and possibly many died .

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I'm over it !
Its sad that's all you hear about on the news . And then if there is any time left , a volcano exploded , villages destroyed and possibly many died .

Yeah, but if there weren't no tennis all you'd hear about on the news is that a volcano exploded....and it was caused by climate change.

Maybe all those "illegals" cooped up in the Park Hotel for years on end should take up professional tennis in order to get their hearings expedited. They might even have a case to stay

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Tequila ! said..

dave.h said..
if this world tournament was in China, would h have taken the government to task, or accepted their requirements of entry into the country.

Well he did got a visa prior travel.

This is political punishment, nothing to do w health orders.

Accept the fact that Australia punishes people based on their opinions.

It's like all those Border Security programs they show. Get a visa, then when you get into the country, if they don't like you, don't trust you, think you are there for the wrong reasons, out you go.

Have you ever been to the USA? Imagine telling them that you are a drug dealer on holiday. What would they do?

Ever been to the UK? Tell them you are there to work even though you are on a holiday visa. Out you go.

Ever seen people that arrive in Aus and accidentally say they are here to work but don't have the correct visa. Out they go.

Arrive in Aus, and either lie about your travel or not meet the visa requirements, out you go.

Dead right FN.

He had a 408 class visa (apparently). That allowed him to play professional sport for a short period of time.

If he had entered Australia and then not played in the Aus Open but gone picking mangos, he would have been in breach of the visa. You can't say "as soon as I get my visa then I'm in and that's it".

I am not sure how it isn't right to say you don't have the visa until that dude in the little glass box stamps your passport and says welcome with a menacing growl on his face and the most frightening uniformed lady you have ever seen stood behind him glaring at you.

If his visa requires proof of entry to the tennis when the application is made then it would seem like he planned to play when he applied for his visa and thus had no intention of being vaxxed.

If his visa doesn't require proof of entry to the tennis when the application is made then where is the argument he had an unconditional visa ? You can't enter on a tourist visa then work, you can't enter on a play professional sport visa and then not play professional sport, you can't enter on a visa and then say "all other requirements are voided by the virtue I have a visa".

The argument about "he had a visa" seems completely nonsense.

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Dead right FN.

He had a 408 class visa (apparently). That allowed him to play professional sport for a short period of time.

If he had entered Australia and then not played in the Aus Open but gone picking mangos, he would have been in breach of the visa. You can't say "as soon as I get my visa then I'm in and that's it".

I am not sure how it isn't right to say you don't have the visa until that dude in the little glass box stamps your passport and says welcome with a menacing growl on his face and the most frightening uniformed lady you have ever seen stood behind him glaring at you.

If his visa requires proof of entry to the tennis when the application is made then it would seem like he planned to play when he applied for his visa and thus had no intention of being vaxxed.

If his visa doesn't require proof of entry to the tennis when the application is made then where is the argument he had an unconditional visa ? You can't enter on a tourist visa then work, you can't enter on a play professional sport visa and then not play professional sport, you can't enter on a visa and then say "all other requirements are voided by the virtue I have a visa".

The argument about "he had a visa" seems completely nonsense.

But all this was sorted in the first appeal. Technicality or not, his visa cancellation was thrown out and he was validly in the country.

He was then ejected by the Minister because of his "assumed" position is not the same as the Government of Australia on vaccines, and he might encourage people not to get vaccinated. Nothing to do with his visa status.

Ultimately the State has all the power, if they stuff up, then take it on the chin and move on. Our government stuffed up his visa process, got burnt in court for further stuffing up his visa cancellation and then followed that up with a f@rk you anyway we are going to kick you out.

It makes us look dumb, stupid and petty all at the same time. I don't give a toss about him or tennis, this is a disgraceful act from Australia and frankly I am appalled I have a government so rubbish and even more embarrassed so many of my countrymen think it was the right thing to do.

I don't really understand how he got on a plane to begin with. This is the only category he would meet for not being vaccinated:

Individual exemptions can be requested by travellers who are not holders of an eligible visa or who are unvaccinated, holding any visa type.You may be considered for an individual travel exemption by the Commissioner of the Australian Border Force or decision makers if you are:

a foreign national whose entry into Australia would be in the national interest, supported by the Australian Government or a state or territory government authority

is playing tennis really 'national interest'?
from my read, you need an exemption from border force regardless of your visa type if you have not been vaccinated. Even if you have visa you still need an exemption from the entry requirements.
He didn't have it, so he's not allowed in.

crap advice from victorian govt and aus tennis sure, but ultimately it is pretty clear that it is a requirement to be vaccinated to enter the country and he had plenty of time to do so and chose not to. So why should he get in?

hes gone who ****in cares now

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Carantoc said..
The argument about "he had a visa" seems completely nonsense.

But all this was sorted in the first appeal. Technicality or not, his visa cancellation was thrown out and he was validly in the country.

Yep, agree with you there Paradox.

When I say his claim to have a visa was not correct I was talking about when he first arrived and was arguing with border force (in the court released interview record) that he can't be refused entry as he had a visa. For sure as soon as the first court rejected his removal then his visa became valid (or would probably be re-recorded as being valid from the moment he arrived).

But until you get the stamp at the immigration desk (or the court ordered stamp) I am still not sure you have a valid visa. It is only complete subject to meeting conditions at the point of entry (which the court decided Novak had met by default of them not being validly not met).

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CH3MTR4IL5 said..
I don't really understand how he got on a plane to begin with. This is the only category he would meet for not being vaccinated:

Individual exemptions can be requested by travellers who are not holders of an eligible visa or who are unvaccinated, holding any visa type.You may be considered for an individual travel exemption by the Commissioner of the Australian Border Force or decision makers if you are:

a foreign national whose entry into Australia would be in the national interest, supported by the Australian Government or a state or territory government authority

is playing tennis really 'national interest'?
from my read, you need an exemption from border force regardless of your visa type if you have not been vaccinated. Even if you have visa you still need an exemption from the entry requirements.
He didn't have it, so he's not allowed in.

crap advice from victorian govt and aus tennis sure, but ultimately it is pretty clear that it is a requirement to be vaccinated to enter the country and he had plenty of time to do so and chose not to. So why should he get in?

The big part people are missing is that he lied on his application

That is all

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The big part people are missing is that he lied on his application

That is all

Well he certainly had incorrect info on it. If it was deliberate or not I don't think it was relevent as it would not have effected the outcome.

It was not a part of his visa being cancelled at any time, so its really irrelevent.

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Yep, agree with you there Paradox.

When I say his claim to have a visa was not correct I was talking about when he first arrived and was arguing with border force (in the court released interview record) that he can't be refused entry as he had a visa. For sure as soon as the first court rejected his removal then his visa became valid (or would probably be re-recorded as being valid from the moment he arrived).

But until you get the stamp at the immigration desk (or the court ordered stamp) I am still not sure you have a valid visa. It is only complete subject to meeting conditions at the point of entry (which the court decided Novak had met by default of them not being validly not met).

That is true, I don't disagree with that. But also remember he had a ton of paperwork from various official agencies suggesting he had a valid medical exemption for that requirement. And as the judge said, "what more could this man do?".

There was massive government conflicting advice and that is our fault, not his. It's quite possible he knew that and used it, but again, thats our problem.If our Government had acted properly and turned him around on the spot and he lost the legal challenge in court then I would have been ok with that. Still critical for the bungle, but OK.

But his visa status was granted via the Australian legal process via appeal. He was in the country legally and in accordance with Australian laws. He was then kicked out for idiological and political reasons, not legal ones. That is what I have a massive problem with and I am pretty sure that is what the international backlash is about.

We look like petty, intolerant whiners.

Opposition party seems pretty quiet on this. Maybe they don't like to be seen helping a right-wing, sexist, anti-vaxer pin-up boy

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chrispy said..

The big part people are missing is that he lied on his application

That is all

Well he certainly had incorrect info on it. If it was deliberate or not I don't think it was relevent as it would not have effected the outcome.

It was not a part of his visa being cancelled at any time, so its really irrelevent.

Piss off

I get nose probed three times a week,I have to be jabbed and fill in the correct paper work. If I didn't I was not allowed home,even though I could show them months of doing it ...and my only problem was my test results were late

Yet a zillionare brat who who lied on his paperwork,and then blamed his minders etc and it is all good

If you are going to sit on your high horse on this one at least look at its head and not its arse

So I do everything to keep my business going ,and old got caught on his rort and peeps want to cry lol

What about all the people who could not see dying relatives etc that ****s were hammering on about ...but now you want to say things are different

**** off

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chrispy said..

The big part people are missing is that he lied on his application

That is all

Well he certainly had incorrect info on it. If it was deliberate or not I don't think it was relevent as it would not have effected the outcome.

It was not a part of his visa being cancelled at any time, so its really irrelevent.

Lol

If you lie on your paperwork it makes a massive difference

We had 2 yrs of Hollywood vip's entering and leaving several times as they wanted:
Nicole Kidman
Borat and his local wife
Thor twins (Hemsworth) and partners
Mark Walberg
Kate someone who is in the Perth news every week
Jennifer Garner
Cate Blanchet
Kyle Minogue
And many many others who went in/out without any publicity.
And Many BEFORE vaccines existed or rolled out in mass. Before thousands of cases locally.

All quarantined at their Mansions, no gulag for any of them.

Understand Novak became public enemy number one to those who felt challenged by him, but not by the Elite artist class who travelled unimpeded while borders where totally closed to fellow Citizens.

Wake up dudes, dont like Novak its your opinion and you are totally entitle to have your opinion.
So is he.

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Tequila ! said..
We had 2 yrs of Hollywood vip's entering and leaving several times as they wanted:
Nicole Kidman
Borat and his local wife
Thor twins (Hemsworth) and partners
Mark Walberg
Kate someone who is in the Perth news every week
Jennifer Garner
Cate Blanchet
Kyle Minogue
And many many others who went in/out without any publicity.
And Many BEFORE vaccines existed or rolled out in mass. Before thousands of cases locally.

All quarantined at their Mansions, no gulag for any of them.

Understand Novak became public enemy number one to those who felt challenged by him, but not by the Elite artist class who travelled unimpeded while borders where totally closed to fellow Citizens.

Wake up dudes, dont like Novak its your opinion and you are totally entitle to have your opinion.
So is he.

They didn't lie in their paper work Mr cask wine

You people just show how stupid you are clutching at the short straw

Ignore everything else I said .. clowns
Oh but that's how your narrative works

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Paradox said..

chrispy said..

The big part people are missing is that he lied on his application

That is all

Well he certainly had incorrect info on it. If it was deliberate or not I don't think it was relevent as it would not have effected the outcome.

It was not a part of his visa being cancelled at any time, so its really irrelevent.

Piss off

I get nose probed three times a week,I have to be jabbed and fill in the correct paper work. If I didn't I was not allowed home,even though I could show them months of doing it ...and my only problem was my test results were late

Yet a zillionare brat who who lied on his paperwork,and then blamed his minders etc and it is all good

If you are going to sit on your high horse on this one at least look at its head and not its arse

So I do everything to keep my business going ,and old got caught on his rort and peeps want to cry lol

What about all the people who could not see dying relatives etc that ****s were hammering on about ...but now you want to say things are different

**** off

Mr cask wine ,I like how you skipped past how the real world of Australia worked and struggled

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chrispy said..

Piss off

I get nose probed three times a week,I have to be jabbed and fill in the correct paper work. If I didn't I was not allowed home,even though I could show them months of doing it ...and my only problem was my test results were late

Yet a zillionare brat who who lied on his paperwork,and then blamed his minders etc and it is all good

If you are going to sit on your high horse on this one at least look at its head and not its arse

So I do everything to keep my business going ,and old got caught on his rort and peeps want to cry lol

What about all the people who could not see dying relatives etc that ****s were hammering on about ...but now you want to say things are different

**** off

I have a massive problem with you being forced to endure all that as well. My business has been decimated by Government overreaction.

In this case my view is that dumb rules and restrictions that have no basis in science or reason are the head of the horse. Dokovitch is the arse, and everyone wants to play with that instead of the real problem.

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Tequila ! said..
We had 2 yrs of Hollywood vip's entering and leaving several times as they wanted:
Nicole Kidman
Borat and his local wife
Thor twins (Hemsworth) and partners
Mark Walberg
Kate someone who is in the Perth news every week
Jennifer Garner
Cate Blanchet
Kyle Minogue
And many many others who went in/out without any publicity.
And Many BEFORE vaccines existed or rolled out in mass. Before thousands of cases locally.

All quarantined at their Mansions, no gulag for any of them.

Understand Novak became public enemy number one to those who felt challenged by him, but not by the Elite artist class who travelled unimpeded while borders where totally closed to fellow Citizens.

Wake up dudes, dont like Novak its your opinion and you are totally entitle to have your opinion.
So is he.

They didn't lie in their paper work Mr cask wine

You people just show how stupid you are clutching at the short straw

Ignore everything else I said .. clowns
Oh but that's how your narrative works

Again,

He got expelled for his opinions not because he lied on an entry form.

Believe what you want dude. Actually Australia should go the full China mode and literally introduce the anal swab test. I bet you will enjoy it more!

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Lol

If you lie on your paperwork it makes a massive difference

Actually people get let in all the time with incorrect details. I know, as pre covid I travelled OS at least twice a month. Much of it is irrelevent.

If that was such a big deal then why was his visa not simply cancelled because of that? Why ignore that and go to all the trouble of justifyng a ministerial decision on character and grounds of inciting anti vax sentiment?

Who cares Novax is a cockhead.