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Macroscien > 9 months ago, 15 May 2017

p train

VIC

2629 posts

31 Jul 2017 6:48pm

Whats with all this crappola about copper wires

I was playing with a mates nbn, swaping cables, connecting his tv etc

All with copper wires on his nbn

Do some people have direct fibre optics to their computers and tv?

Chris6791

3271 posts

31 Jul 2017 8:42pm

All this chatter about NBN being obsolete at some point is spot on. About the only technology I can think of that we've invented that isn't obsolete is the wheel, pretty much everything else has been made redundant. But we made it anyway.

I got NBN last week, I now get my porn in HD without buffering. I'm happy.

Cambodge

VIC

851 posts

31 Jul 2017 11:18pm

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Chris6791 said..
All this chatter about NBN being obsolete at some point is spot on. About the only technology I can think of that we've invented that isn't obsolete is the wheel, pretty much everything else has been made redundant. But we made it anyway.

I got NBN last week, I now get my porn in HD without buffering. I'm happy.

The wheel is a great metaphor. Now think of the NBN as the road.

evlPanda

NSW

9207 posts

1 Aug 2017 12:29pm

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rod_bunny said..

evlPanda said..

rod_bunny said..
?Tier 1: 12Mbps download, 1 Mbps upload
To be honest, I have idea why they would even have T1 as a option.

I have no idea what to do with more than Tier1 speeds. For now.

Examples?

ummm Everything!

12mb down is less than what was available in Aus >10 years ago!

I had 100mb down when I lived in the US in 2001... 16 years ago!!!

Back when the internet was young, people gave a toss about size when they sent you things, when they developed websites.
Now we are streaming 4k movies FFS! Every kid is sending every other kid 8mb pics from their phones. Just about every web page is developed not for speed but for how much rich content can be crammed on it (usually advertising). Every page is loaded with content that has been "selected" for you due to the bots in the background checking umpteen things about you. What you want to see on this website is mostly - text - which is very light to send, but look around the page - what else do you see right here that you've paid to download that you don't want to see?

The google search page was originally setup as a clean lightweight page in order to load faster than any other search engine - it still is.

I'm on a 100mb now and I still have issues getting pages to load.

If you're on 100mbps now and you still have issues getting pages to load I suggest that it is not your download speeds. Something is wrong.

OK, excepting 4K video what else? Everything you've listed there does not require more that 8mbps, or less. A HD movie requires about 8mbps to stream, or less.

Out of curiosity how long does it takethis verypageto load foryou? As a comparison.

www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/General-Discussion/Chat/Global-Internet-vs-NBN?page=3
57 objects, 1.96MB and 1.63 seconds.

www.ebay.com.au =
72 objects, 2.44 MB and 3.08 seconds.

--- www.google.com ping statistics ---
5 packets transmitted, 5 packets received, 0.0% packet loss round-trip
min/avg/max/stddev = 10.727/12.805/16.214/1.879 ms

Honestly that's fine for me. Streaming movies is excellent and that's the most download intensive thing I do.
Why do I need (these days) more than 12mbps?

evlPanda

NSW

9207 posts

1 Aug 2017 12:33pm

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Chris6791 said..
About the only technology I can think of that we've invented that isn't obsolete is the wheel, pretty much everything else has been made redundant.

Fire, metals, concrete, glass, optics, medicines, vaccines, roofs, sewers and water, money, writing, astronomy, pencils, literally countless other things, and beer.

Are you serious?

Chris6791

3271 posts

2 Aug 2017 12:05pm

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evlPanda said..

Chris6791 said..
About the only technology I can think of that we've invented that isn't obsolete is the wheel, pretty much everything else has been made redundant.

Fire, metals, concrete, glass, optics, medicines, vaccines, roofs, sewers and water, money, writing, astronomy, pencils, literally countless other things, and beer.

Are you serious?

Yep, maybe my comment was a slight exaggeration but there are plenty of ways to cook and heat without fire, metals are now being replaced by composites, likewise glass, medicines are always being superseded, roofing materials and designs are always changing, ok we did invent sewers and we still use them but we didn't invent water, physical money is being replaced by payWave, writing is being replaced by computers, pencils - I think I might have one in the drawer at home, beer, I'll give you beer, I hope that doesn't get superseded.

My point is that the fear of NBN being superseded by technology that doesn't yet exist in a commercial and viable form isn't a reason to not build it now.

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