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TonyAbbott said..

Ahh here come the memes and cartoons now that Tony's got nothing intelligent to add.

I think he's a little pissed off that kids are getting out in public and giving conservatives a lesson in democracy and free speech....

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Bananabender said..
I am really starting to wonder if schools are so entrenched on Global Warming , Political Correctness etc. the basics are being swept under the carpet.
Three months ago I went to Maccas for a snack. The bill was $5.40.
I gave the young girl (14 or thereabouts) 2x$2 and 3x50 cents.
She held them out in her palm and looked at me and asked how much was that. I had to tell her $5.50 so she could enter it in the cash register . I was very polite but felt like calling the manager over.
Today I had a similar experience with a young bloke at woollies.
He did not know how to count up the coins to enter in the register.
Talk about a cashless society .

Where is the tip for the girl?
mere 10c
anyway there should be surcharge at least $5 for bringing cash.
Business needs to carry your cash to the bank to deposit, count it.
For business that is another two hours worth work.

good olde fashioned cash has it's place....

I was picking up a parcel at the post office today, bloke at the next counter was paying bills - lots of them.

2 x council rates, 6 x car rego's, 6 x car insurances, 2 x house insurances, ginormous water bill, the electricity bill from hell, a tax bill + more.
All were for either for the full 12 months or maximum time - no such thing as part payments.
All were paid one at a time - with hundred dollar notes [I had almost forgotten what the ruddy things looked like]

Collected the bosses parcel and left - the bloke was still dragging out bills - and wads of hundreds to pay them.

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Macroscien said.. Business needs to carry your cash to the bank to deposit, count it. For business that is another two hours worth work.

And it used to be free to take cash in to the bank and deposit it
The whole idea was they had our money for a bit and made money from lending it out.

We are so dumb as a society...... we allow them to charge us, to GIVE them money

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Mark _australia said..

Macroscien said.. Business needs to carry your cash to the bank to deposit, count it. For business that is another two hours worth work.

And it used to be free to take cash in to the bank and deposit it
The whole idea was they had our money for a bit and made money from lending it out.

We are so dumb as a society...... we allow them to charge us, to GIVE them money

Who charges you?

Ya don't have to believe in man-made climate change to realise we should be doing everything in our power to minimise climate change.

The consequences of climate change continuing on its current trajectory are so massively costly to us that any rational analysis would say it's worth changing our behaviour as an insurance policy just in case man-made climate change turns out to be correct.

Probability x Impact in simple terms.

Non-linear convex payoffs in more complicated terms.

However many dimensions you want to apply to the analysis they all tell you the same thing... The consequence of not believing in man-made climate change and, thereby, doing nothing about it is so massively negative to the human race that you'd have to be the biggest risk-taker in the entire history of the Universe to take on the bet.

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sn said..
good olde fashioned cash has it's place....

Drug users and dealers still use cash

That the future for students that teachers brainwash with their eco- fascist ideology instead of teaching them the 3r's

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sn said..
good olde fashioned cash has it's place....

I was picking up a parcel at the post office today, bloke at the next counter was paying bills - lots of them.

2 x council rates, 6 x car rego's, 6 x car insurances, 2 x house insurances, ginormous water bill, the electricity bill from hell, a tax bill + more.
All were for either for the full 12 months or maximum time - no such thing as part payments.
All were paid one at a time - with hundred dollar notes [I had almost forgotten what the ruddy things looked like]

Collected the bosses parcel and left - the bloke was still dragging out bills - and wads of hundreds to pay them.

Yeah, I saw something similar, but not on such a grand scale.

This guy in front of me looked like a brickie. I don't know whether he was or not, but he had a huge wad of cash and paid a lot of bills at the post office.

I can only guess that when you get paid in cash, you go to the post office and pay your bills with cash. Putting it into your account and paying over the internet will open up all sorts of questions.

Same here too, stood in the bank teller line on a Monday morning, behind a cute mid 20's girl. She was depositing a wad of cash from the weekends takings, no idea what the cash was from but could only guess.
Some businesses will always run on cash.

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Mark _australia said..

Macroscien said.. Business needs to carry your cash to the bank to deposit, count it. For business that is another two hours worth work.

And it used to be free to take cash in to the bank and deposit it
The whole idea was they had our money for a bit and made money from lending it out.

We are so dumb as a society...... we allow them to charge us, to GIVE them money

Indeed. When cashless (and it's onlf a matter of when) the private reserve banks and the puppet strings attached to politicians, will just crank the old interest rate lever to the negative if they want us to spend. They will be called Financial geniuses to... although not one of the tens of thousands of PhD economists around the globe haven't seen the severe crash that comes every 18 years of so.

Classic. And you guys are worried about some gun fodder kid who can't work simple arithmetic in their heads doing a job that AI automation will make redundant in the near future anyway (and a lot of your jobs as well for that matter).

Id be more worried about the over educated PhD cronies whose complex economic modelling is more like magic voodoo than reality... and NEVER, throughout history have predicted economic disaster ...be wary of the over educated not the under.

.... by the way you are talking about year 2/3 primary school maths.

My specialist maths kids would tare most of you so called maths greats (because you can add and subtract simple arithmetic in your simple heads .... good in ya!) new asseholes when it comes to maths. They are far smarter and sophisticated than we ever where at the same age.

They are a heavily distracted and distractable generation though... they have a lot on their plate mentally....

and we created that insanity remember, not them.


And tony abbot ... you are a worry dude.

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eppo said..
My specialist maths kids would tare most of you so called maths greats (because you can add and subtract simple arithmetic in your simple heads .... good in ya!) new asseholes when it comes to maths. They are far smarter and sophisticated than we ever where at the same age.

They are a heavily distracted and distractable generation though... they have a lot on their plate mentally....

and we created that insanity remember, not them.


And tony abbot ... you are a worry dude.

Well said

^^"hey, teachers.. leave SB alone"

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eppo said..

Mark _australia said..

Macroscien said.. Business needs to carry your cash to the bank to deposit, count it. For business that is another two hours worth work.

And it used to be free to take cash in to the bank and deposit it
The whole idea was they had our money for a bit and made money from lending it out.

We are so dumb as a society...... we allow them to charge us, to GIVE them money

Indeed. When cashless (and it's onlf a matter of when) the private reserve banks and the puppet strings attached to politicians, will just crank the old interest rate lever to the negative if they want us to spend. They will be called Financial geniuses to... although not one of the tens of thousands of PhD economists around the globe haven't seen the severe crash that comes every 18 years of so.

Classic. And you guys are worried about some gun fodder kid who can't work simple arithmetic in their heads doing a job that AI automation will make redundant in the near future anyway (and a lot of your jobs as well for that matter).

Id be more worried about the over educated PhD cronies whose complex economic modelling is more like magic voodoo than reality... and NEVER, throughout history have predicted economic disaster ...be wary of the over educated not the under.

.... by the way you are talking about year 2/3 primary school maths.

My specialist maths kids would tare most of you so called maths greats (because you can add and subtract simple arithmetic in your simple heads .... good in ya!) new asseholes when it comes to maths. They are far smarter and sophisticated than we ever where at the same age.

They are a heavily distracted and distractable generation though... they have a lot on their plate mentally....

and we created that insanity remember, not them.


And tony abbot ... you are a worry dude.

And what percentage of the school were in your specialist maths class?
I was demonstrating that a 13/14 year old could not add up four coins .
It is the ordinary citizen of the future (they will still be there ) the cleaners, nursing aids etc.etc. that will need these basic skills and they will not get them in your specialist class.
It will be comforting to know the nurse administering the medicine to us old asseholes knows how to mentally count.
I will not even go down the spelling/reading/writing route . I know not necessary but then again it's handy to know what your buying in the supermarket instead of relying on the pictures on the pack.
I know, I know , "Computer says......"

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Bananabender said..

And what percentage of the school were in your specialist maths class?
I was demonstrating that a 13/14 year old could not add up four coins .
It is the ordinary citizen of the future (they will still be there ) the cleaners, nursing aids etc.etc. that will need these basic skills and they will not get them in your specialist class.
It will be comforting to know the nurse administering the medicine to us old asseholes knows how to mentally count.
I will not even go down the spelling/reading/writing route . I know not necessary but then again it's handy to know what your buying in the supermarket instead of relying on the pictures on the pack.
I know, I know , "Computer says......"

If you're concerned about the illiterate and innumerate, donate to organisations that help with community education. Or, better yet, volunteer. (The Indigenous Literacy Foundation and Australian Literacy and Numeracy Foundation both do ripper work.)

In October 2013, the Australian Bureau of Statistics (ABS) - in conjunction with the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD) - published the results of the latest international study on literacy in the developed world. It measured the literacy, numeracy and computer skills of people in 24 different countries.
One of the findings about Australia:
In general, older people have lower levels of literacy. The scores tended to go up in the younger age brackets, even out in the 20s and 30s, and then decline from the late 40s on.

I was quite good at Maths at school but my mind sometimes went blank when dealing with change when working fast food as a teenager.

Its all a new experience. The 18 year old Boss is stressing out, there's a queue of people. A minority of the public treat you as sub human complaining they only received 1 and a half pickles instead of 2. And on top of this if the till is short you'd be accused of stealing. Corey the 18 year old night manager with the long fringe won't be happy if that happened.

A lot is going on.

Man I'd be happy if my kid went out and found work at 14. Proud as punch even. I know people who are alot older and wouldn't consider working. Too scared they'd make a mistake.

There's nothing like learning on the job. I bet after feeling a bit embarrassed she asked her parents about giving out change and paid more attention in Maths class the following week.

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hilly said..
In October 2013, the Australian Bureau of Statistics (ABS) - in conjunction with the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD) - published the results of the latest international study on literacy in the developed world. It measured the literacy, numeracy and computer skills of people in 24 different countries.
One of the findings about Australia:
In general, older people have lower levels of literacy. The scores tended to go up in the younger age brackets, even out in the 20s and 30s, and then decline from the late 40s on.

Well blow me down.
I have been the recipient of the brilliance of young people in having Robotic Surgery (da VInci robot) for prostate cancer and in a Sept heart surgery where the young doctor did it through an artery in the wrist.
True Story
The evening after above whilst in hospital a young trainee nurse administered my meds. Around 11pm a doctor came to me to advise that the young nurse had somehow miscalculated my dosage and given me double blood thinners so I am being moved into intensive care for monitoring . Oh the trainee nurse is terribly upset and was sent home.
**** Her I was in the **** because she could not calculate the correct dosage. But hang on mental arithmetic no longer necessary.

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hilly said..

Bananabender said..

And what percentage of the school were in your specialist maths class?
I was demonstrating that a 13/14 year old could not add up four coins .
It is the ordinary citizen of the future (they will still be there ) the cleaners, nursing aids etc.etc. that will need these basic skills and they will not get them in your specialist class.
It will be comforting to know the nurse administering the medicine to us old asseholes knows how to mentally count.
I will not even go down the spelling/reading/writing route . I know not necessary but then again it's handy to know what your buying in the supermarket instead of relying on the pictures on the pack.
I know, I know , "Computer says......"

If you're concerned about the illiterate and innumerate, donate to organisations that help with community education. Or, better yet, volunteer. (The Indigenous Literacy Foundation and Australian Literacy and Numeracy Foundation both do ripper work.)

Why? According to eppo they will not need those skills in the future.

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eppo said..

My specialist maths kids would tare most of you so called maths greats (because you can add and subtract simple arithmetic in your simple heads .... good in ya!) new asseholes when it comes to maths. They are far smarter and sophisticated than we ever where at the same age.

its' tear knot tare

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eppo said...
My specialist maths kids would tare most of you so called maths greats (because you can add and subtract simple arithmetic in your simple heads .... good in ya!) new asseholes when it comes to maths. They are far smarter and sophisticated than we ever where at the same age.

That they are. From my daughter's year 4 "matrix" test:

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evlPanda said..

eppo said...
My specialist maths kids would tare most of you so called maths greats (because you can add and subtract simple arithmetic in your simple heads .... good in ya!) new asseholes when it comes to maths. They are far smarter and sophisticated than we ever where at the same age.

That they are. From my daughter's year 4 "matrix" test:

Who creates these things? These aren't about evaluating a child's education or aptitude for anything, they are just puzzles.

I can just imagine some genius writing these things and thinking 'wow, I am so clever, this is so difficult.'

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eppo said..

My specialist maths kids would tare most of you so called maths greats (because you can add and subtract simple arithmetic in your simple heads .... good in ya!) new asseholes when it comes to maths. They are far smarter and sophisticated than we ever where at the same age.

Speak for yourself.

There does come a point in your life though where you realise that integration really doesn't come into your everyday life or work and you find other more interesting and important things to learn.

Simple arithmetic though does come in handy, such as when checking your change is correct when buying something. I remember working behind a bar when the cash register died. No problem, but some people would be completely lost.

"......according to the OECD, 14 per cent of 15-year-old Australian students are functionally illiterate, and would not understand the instructions on a packet of headache tablets.

What's more is that 20 per cent of Australian youth's arithmetic skills are so bad that and they wouldn't be able to work out how much petrol is left in a tank by looking at a gauge."

ipa.org.au/ipa-today/literacy-and-numeracy-skills-are-declining-as-students-are-taught-to-be-more-politically-active-2

Bit out of context but the irony I thought they wanted the next gen to have less polluting??

Most of you have no clue and are talking out your proverbial backsides with opinions and bar stool lowest common denominator bullsh1t.

But it's been fun nevertheless....

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eppo said..
Most of you have no clue and are talking out your proverbial backsides with opinions and bar stool lowest common denominator bullsh1t.

But it's been fun nevertheless....

Maths is a tool, not a measure of intelligence. Just the same as language.

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FormulaNova said..

evlPanda said..

eppo said...
My specialist maths kids would tare most of you so called maths greats (because you can add and subtract simple arithmetic in your simple heads .... good in ya!) new asseholes when it comes to maths. They are far smarter and sophisticated than we ever where at the same age.

That they are. From my daughter's year 4 "matrix" test:

Who creates these things? These aren't about evaluating a child's education or aptitude for anything, they are just puzzles.

I can just imagine some genius writing these things and thinking 'wow, I am so clever, this is so difficult.'

They are exactly about evaluating a child's, or adult's aptitude for problem solving.

Maths is abstract problem solving, it's not just addition, subtraction, and long division. Life is problem solving. (ignoring leisure time)

Education is teaching children how problems have been solved already, or how they came about, or how to problem solve themselves.

Abstract reasoning is required to answer the above questions.

There are two types of thinking; slow and fast. Fast thinking is stuff you already know, slow thinking is when you have to stop and figure it out. Slow thinking is painful.

I suspect by your response you are just avoiding the pain that is true problem solving (and missing out on the reward at the end).

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TonyAbbott said..
"......according to the OECD, 14 per cent of 15-year-old Australian students are functionally illiterate, and would not understand the instructions on a packet of headache tablets.

What's more is that 20 per cent of Australian youth's arithmetic skills are so bad that and they wouldn't be able to work out how much petrol is left in a tank by looking at a gauge."

ipa.org.au/ipa-today/literacy-and-numeracy-skills-are-declining-as-students-are-taught-to-be-more-politically-active-2

Did you join and donate to the right wing media (IPA)
Yes we have a problem with literacy and numeracy but not in the leafy green suburbs most of us come from. Indigenous rates of numeracy and literacy are a disgrace and right wing governments have been reducing funding for programs to support education in remote areas for years. read the Gonski report for more detail. The channeling of federal education funding to rich private schools over the last 30 years is an embarrassment.

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TonyAbbott said..
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What's more is that 20 per cent of Australian youth's arithmetic skills are so bad that and they wouldn't be able to work out how much petrol is left in a tank by looking at a gauge."

I think I failed that too. 'just a little bit more' was always the answer.