Coles and ALDI this Sunday Morning.

7news.com.au/lifestyle/health-wellbeing/not-again-covid-chaos-continues-in-aldi-as-panic-buying-escalates-c-745886?fbclid=IwAR131qF__WjScBBKiSS1pXP-VhI6u4Rs6NFRTUaMcjn2mBarUxjPC_dVlAY

www.perthnow.com.au/news/coronavirus/coronavirus-crisis-panic-buying-chaos-as-wa-shoppers-turn-violent-ng-b881489996z

Watch the videos. What the **** is happening? What ****ing country am I in?

Shut it down, shut it all down

^^^ Haha, a media beat up. A reasonably orderly group of people lining up for their single pack of toilet paper. I didn't see any panic or mob behaviour. The news reporter deserves a severe reprimand, these are exactly the headlines we don't need, especially when they are false.

Hey Harrow, we got 24 toilet rolls delivered this morning by Coles Online, but they couldn't supply two rolls of paper towel or dishwasher powder (or rice or pasta) so I jumped on the pushy up to the IGA and they had the powder and the paper towels but funnily enough no toilet paper, I decided to get the pasta and rice another day

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kiterboy said..

Harrow said..

Bara said..You couldn't be further from the truth. The unprepared have the hoarders to blame. There is no shortage of anything in oz and there won't be - given enough time. Hoarding is the sole cause if we end up with imbalances in food supply. Nothing else.

Given the possibility of some type of shopping restrictions, it's made sense to follow the government's advice to grab a few extra non-perishable items each time you shop. Seems a fair enough idea, it means that stores could ramp up stocking a little to meet the extra demand, while everyone can still get what they need for normal living. Given it's been a few weeks now, anyone that has done so should have been able to build up a buffer to allow for any disruptions. If you haven't, who else can you blame? You'd have to be extremely poor not to be able to at least afford a couple of tins of unbranded baked beans or creamed corn.

The ostriches will blame anyone but themselves, Harrow.

Not everyone has the means to survive more than each week so some empathy for your fellow man shows the difference from an animal to human .

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Zzzzzz said..

kiterboy said..

Harrow said..

Bara said..You couldn't be further from the truth. The unprepared have the hoarders to blame. There is no shortage of anything in oz and there won't be - given enough time. Hoarding is the sole cause if we end up with imbalances in food supply. Nothing else.

Given the possibility of some type of shopping restrictions, it's made sense to follow the government's advice to grab a few extra non-perishable items each time you shop. Seems a fair enough idea, it means that stores could ramp up stocking a little to meet the extra demand, while everyone can still get what they need for normal living. Given it's been a few weeks now, anyone that has done so should have been able to build up a buffer to allow for any disruptions. If you haven't, who else can you blame? You'd have to be extremely poor not to be able to at least afford a couple of tins of unbranded baked beans or creamed corn.

The ostriches will blame anyone but themselves, Harrow.

Not everyone has the means to survive more than each week so some empathy for your fellow man shows the difference from an animal to human .

See my post asking for sensible ideas on how to block the opportunists.
Thanks and please support.

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Zzzzzz said..

kiterboy said..

Harrow said..

Bara said..You couldn't be further from the truth. The unprepared have the hoarders to blame. There is no shortage of anything in oz and there won't be - given enough time. Hoarding is the sole cause if we end up with imbalances in food supply. Nothing else.

Given the possibility of some type of shopping restrictions, it's made sense to follow the government's advice to grab a few extra non-perishable items each time you shop. Seems a fair enough idea, it means that stores could ramp up stocking a little to meet the extra demand, while everyone can still get what they need for normal living. Given it's been a few weeks now, anyone that has done so should have been able to build up a buffer to allow for any disruptions. If you haven't, who else can you blame? You'd have to be extremely poor not to be able to at least afford a couple of tins of unbranded baked beans or creamed corn.

The ostriches will blame anyone but themselves, Harrow.

Not everyone has the means to survive more than each week so some empathy for your fellow man shows the difference from an animal to human .

Oh puh-lease.
How long has this pandemic been winding up??
Since December?!
How many weeks is that...?
More than enough time to see what has been coming and take action to make sure you have your bases covered. If you were paying attention.
The sad truth is most people have their heads up their own arses, buried in facebook or whatever distraction is their vice.
All the while they have CHOSEN to not pay attention to the world around them and even when countries have been locked down, they have still chosen to don their blinkers.

And now they find themselves caught short, but now it's everyone else's fault but their own.

I have empathy. I have tried to warn so many people I know for so long now, since December in fact of what has been coming, but have only been met with scorn, disbelief and acusastions of being a panic monger.
Now those same people are finally waking up, yet still they don't take ownership of the results of their own decisions.

You are a stupid person excuser.

I stocked up on lots of things but hand sanitizer is running out the door quick. I keep giving people bottles because they didn't prepare, I cannot say no to family and friends in need. I'm down to my last half dozen bottles.

Even cleaning and shop suppliers cannot get hand sanitizer. A lot of shops are hiding their remaining stock so only staff can use it.

I wonder if shops would stay open if they can not look after their staff with hand sanitizer. It may be a work place ohs issue.

my bet is this will be the last store still operating

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Paddles B'mere said..
Hey Harrow, we got 24 toilet rolls delivered this morning by Coles Online, but they couldn't supply two rolls of paper towel or dishwasher powder (or rice or pasta) so I jumped on the pushy up to the IGA and they had the powder and the paper towels but funnily enough no toilet paper, I decided to get the pasta and rice another day

Why were u on your pushy , u should of been sailing.

I have ten litres of 85% moonshine. Should be enough for home made sanitizer and happiness for a long lockdown .
Seriously , buy some metho . 50% metho ,40 % water , 10% baby oil.
There are videos on how to make sanitizer using vodka .
Or use soap.

You guys have now given me the incentive to prepare for doomsday! I will make a return to homebrewing and make a couple of hundred litres of beer, which I can use to disinfect my gut as required.

Could I use it as hand santiser as well? Is there a better strain of yeast I should be using?

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kiterboy said..

zemax said..
I can't imagine the government would let unprepared families starve to death. Seems ludicrous, avoiding the spreading is ok, shutting down food supplies would be criminal

Meh. The unprepared only have themselves to blame.

You couldn't be further from the truth. The unprepared have the hoarders to blame. There is no shortage of anything in oz and there won't be - given enough time. Hoarding is the sole cause if we end up with imbalances in food supply. Nothing else.

Bara you are completely correct. it is the selfish, hoarding fooktard that are the root cause of this problem. In turn the hoarder has forced the sensible person to grab whatever is leftover in the early hours when shops first open, further fuelling the unnecessary panic.
In the last six months we have seen what some Australians are capable of...their selfless sacrifice, fighting bushfires across this nation is legendary. Now we have to deal with the mindless, selfish hoarders who could not give a crap (pardon the pun) about their fellow neighbour as long as they are fully stocked.
Shame on them.

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2stubborn2quit said..

Bara said..

kiterboy said..

zemax said..
I can't imagine the government would let unprepared families starve to death. Seems ludicrous, avoiding the spreading is ok, shutting down food supplies would be criminal

Meh. The unprepared only have themselves to blame.

You couldn't be further from the truth. The unprepared have the hoarders to blame. There is no shortage of anything in oz and there won't be - given enough time. Hoarding is the sole cause if we end up with imbalances in food supply. Nothing else.

Bara you are completely correct. it is the selfish, hoarding fooktard that are the root cause of this problem. In turn the hoarder has forced the sensible person to grab whatever is leftover in the early hours when shops first open, further fuelling the unnecessary panic.
In the last six months we have seen what some Australians are capable of...their selfless sacrifice, fighting bushfires across this nation is legendary. Now we have to deal with the mindless, selfish hoarders who could not give a crap (pardon the pun) about their fellow neighbour as long as they are fully stocked.
Shame on them.

Ha!
Sure, the sensible people are the ones scrambling in the early hours at the shops.

Hahaha!
Yeah, real sensible person/people who haven't the foresight to look after their families.

The sensible person is the one who was able to recognise the upcoming shortages to be caused by the panic buying ostriches, and take action to make sure they weren't caught short.

The idiots are the ones that didn't yank their head out of the sand till too late, and blame others for their normalcy bias.

The delivery business for Woolies must be a nice earner. I spent several weeks 2 years ago as a delivery customer due to a broken ankle and they were charging me $7.00 then. That's actually a reasonable price to pay when you consider a 10km drive there and back plus 40 minutes out of your day are avoided.
When I logged in to their site a few minutes ago the delivery charge had been upped to $15.00. Say the driver can do 6 drops an hour, that's $90.00. Wages plus truck cost might be $50/hr. $40 profit/hr.
I remain amazed at how much bog paper people get through. For me it's 4 or 5 sheets every morning, but the average use according to the manufacturers club is 57 sheets a day. How does anybody use that much?
An explanation comes to mind. I remember my mother telling me from the other side of the bathroom door when I was 12 or 13 that she knew what I was doing in there. What? Sitting on the bog reading a book. She must have thought I was busy writing a steamy romance using the material at hand, 1 sheet at a time. But you'd have to be a bloody fast writer to get through 50 sheets a day.

Where are these shortages?

i was in the IGA in Nambucca this afternoon and there was literally no sign whatsoever of an empty shelf.

A couple of days ago Woolworths had run out of bog roll but I cannot see any reason for lament. I figured out a long time ago that the human race has survived without it for probably 99.999% of its existence so a return to an absence of bog roll is hardly likely to bring us to our knees.

Im fortunate enough to have a daughter who owns a market garden and belongs to a cooperative so I've not given any thought whatsoever to stocking up or hoarding anything.
I experienced this shortage situation back in 2013 on the Queensland Central coast after the hurricane.
Personally I reckon it's largely a mental issue. Even if you don't have access to home grown food you'd have to be pretty incompetent a man to let your family starve whilst there's fish and wildlife all over the shop.

I draw the line at curried roof rabbits though!

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Harrow said..

japie said..

There's a rather important photo missing.

Enlighten me!

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japie said..
Enlighten me!

The photo showing what it's actually used for. Washing poo off your tush.

As for the shortages, every supermarket within a few kilometres radius of me has had no pasta, rice, flour, tinned corn, red kidney beans, toilet paper for at least a week.

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Mr Milk said..
.... For me it's 4 or 5 sheets every morning...

????

One up, one down, one to polish.

What do you do with the others ?

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Harrow said..

japie said..
Enlighten me!

The photo showing what it's actually used for. Washing poo off your tush.

As for the shortages, every supermarket within a few kilometres radius of me has had no pasta, rice, flour, tinned corn, red kidney beans, toilet paper for at least a week.

The jet gun I assume!

You're in Sydney?

I imagine city people have reason to be more concerned. Having spent a large part of my working life in warehouses I know how much food is stored in the supply chain. It's going to take a lot of hoarding to deplete that.

Good luck to them. Hope they all get weevils!

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Carantoc said..

Mr Milk said..
.... For me it's 4 or 5 sheets every morning...

????

One up, one down, one to polish.

What do you do with the others ?

You haven't allowed one for cleaning the hair.

Far out Mr Milk .................. $50/hr for a human and a truck???? Did you just travel here in your time machine from 1973?

$35/hr labour including super and leave, so about $25 wages. $15/hr for a light truck on the road 10-12 hrs/day, $150-$180 running and depreciation per day, so over $50 000 pa seems reasonable.

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Harrow said..

japie said..
Enlighten me!

The photo showing what it's actually used for. Washing poo off your tush.

As for the shortages, every supermarket within a few kilometres radius of me has had no pasta, rice, flour, tinned corn, red kidney beans, toilet paper for at least a week.

Do what thousands of people are obviously doing... bulk up on Hungry Jacks, in preparation of the lean times when you can use that pasta and kidney beans.

Just the fuel expense alone will be $25-30/hr I reckon, don't worry though MM, most people don't realise how much things ACTUALLY cost

Here's the fairly up to date award rate
www.piaa.org.au/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/Road-Transport-and-Distribution-Award-2010-2018-Wage-Rates.pdf

And the fuel costs nothing like that much. When I was driving a 5 tonne milk truck the fuel bill was about $50/wk.
How hard would you have to flog your car to go through $30/hr in fuel? That's about 200km plus worth.

And it seems that Woolies is suspending deliveries, which seems kind of weird. If you want to reduce community contact, you'd subsidise food and grocery home delivery just to cut the number of people visiting supermarkets.

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2stubborn2quit said..

Bara you are completely correct. it is the selfish, hoarding fooktard that are the root cause of this problem. In turn the hoarder has forced the sensible person to grab whatever is leftover in the early hours when shops first open, further fuelling the unnecessary panic.

You do realise that selfish, hoarding fooktards and sensible people are one and the same at the moment?

Don't confuse hoarders with preppers, they stocked up years ago.

You know the thing that I find so utterly astonishing about this whole situation is the fact that we are actually in it.

For as long as I have been taking notice of what is written about health copious numbers of health experts have been warning the general public about the dangers of "super bugs".

Is there no communication between the medical fraternity and the authorities responsible for the populations well being?

Or are the f^cktards in Canberra completely oblivious to reality? (Rhetorical)

If they had spent a little of the time they have on debating the benefits of submarines we might have had realistic plan in place which would have made all of this speculation completely superfluous.

They have failed yet again. It's only weeks since we floundered about worrying about the country being on fire and here we are again.

What do we pay these dickwits for!

Bring out the guillotine I say!

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2stubborn2quit said..

Bara said..

kiterboy said..

zemax said..
I can't imagine the government would let unprepared families starve to death. Seems ludicrous, avoiding the spreading is ok, shutting down food supplies would be criminal

Meh. The unprepared only have themselves to blame.

You couldn't be further from the truth. The unprepared have the hoarders to blame. There is no shortage of anything in oz and there won't be - given enough time. Hoarding is the sole cause if we end up with imbalances in food supply. Nothing else.

Bara you are completely correct. it is the selfish, hoarding fooktard that are the root cause of this problem. In turn the hoarder has forced the sensible person to grab whatever is leftover in the early hours when shops first open, further fuelling the unnecessary panic.
In the last six months we have seen what some Australians are capable of...their selfless sacrifice, fighting bushfires across this nation is legendary. Now we have to deal with the mindless, selfish hoarders who could not give a crap (pardon the pun) about their fellow neighbour as long as they are fully stocked.
Shame on them.

Spot on mate.

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Mr Milk said..
.... For me it's 4 or 5 sheets every morning...

????

One up, one down, one to polish.

What do you do with the others ?

Tested it out this morning . Yep your right 3 .But then again I visit the loo before the shower.

Never do the shopping so went with misses this morning around the aisles .
All the toilet paper gone , pasta shelves looking a little empty everything else looked ok.
One young woman raced us to tissues aisle. Honestly if she had knocked my wife over I would have flattened her. Lots of shoppers walking out with loo paper. Went up to check out ,a couple in front in their thirties of Indian appearance had two trolleys loaded up . One had around 20 loaves of bread FGS .
They had two packets of loo paper and cashier said ,sorry only one, so they wanted to argue the point that there were two of them. Cashier stood her ground so Indian women told male to take one and go to another cashier . Cashier said sorry ,NO, and took packet out of trolley and put out of reach. I'm starting to wonder about Pauline H . views.
Oh well us oldies can shop between 7 and 8 in peace now.