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subasurf
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16 Nov 2011 11:57am
felixdcat said...

Mmmmmmm better a live pussy than a dead hero!




I'm talking about their reactions to the zap, not the fact they're using a shark shield.
What is it with numpties and their lack of comprehension?
Woodo
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16 Nov 2011 12:22pm
subasurf said...

jbshack said...

My understanding is that sharks don't like human as the fat content isn't high enough. Sharks once they have eaten take some time and energy to digest food and human flesh just doesn't cut it for them. How they can tell what our fat content is i don't know but maybe they can sonar some how. Not sure..



Definitely not the case. Sharks tend to not actually consume humans (although many times the injured surfer/diver/swimmer is removed from the water before the shark has a chance) but I can assure you it's not because of our lack of fat content.


Maybe it's the wettie, chunk of board, BC, weightbelt they don't like and choose not to have a second go straight away.

Dude off cott, cock jocks. Nothing found. RIP
Dude off Abrohlis. Boardies. White took the lot of him in two go's. RIP
Dude at Safety Bay. Taken whole. RIP

We will never know if sharks like the taste of humans.
One thing we do know 100% is there will be more attacks on humans.
May be mistaken identity.
May be curiousity.
May be i'm hungry and your food.
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16 Nov 2011 12:51pm
felixdcat said...


Why the red thumbs? They are just fkn fish.... ok big ugly ones... with no brain (almost) going around on a loop thinking Nom nom nom nom! Market the flesh into the latest delicacy that will make you dirck bigger and sell it in asia, bet they will buy it and eat it by the tonne! You guys are a bit sentimental.... do you kill herrings?? Now whales it is different story they are mammals and have a big brain!




Sorry Felix I would normally bite, but I'm supposed to be on my best behavior..

You are entitled to your Intellectual position and I have no right to question it. Your beliefs should be respected and tolerated, and apparently they should not be pressed onto others or voiced publicly or politically..

I hope this post hasn't offended anybody. And we should probably end this public discussion because discussions on the internet make Baby Jesus cry.

Shark Bless you Felixdcat!

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16 Nov 2011 12:56pm
subasurf said...

felixdcat said...

Mmmmmmm better a live pussy than a dead hero!




I'm talking about their reactions to the zap, not the fact they're using a shark shield.
What is it with numpties and their lack of comprehension?

Maybe the lack of explanation!

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16 Nov 2011 1:07pm
barn said...

felixdcat said...


Why the red thumbs? They are just fkn fish.... ok big ugly ones... with no brain (almost) going around on a loop thinking Nom nom nom nom! Market the flesh into the latest delicacy that will make you dirck bigger and sell it in asia, bet they will buy it and eat it by the tonne! You guys are a bit sentimental.... do you kill herrings?? Now whales it is different story they are mammals and have a big brain!




Sorry Felix I would normally bite, but I'm supposed to be on my best behavior..

You are entitled to your Intellectual position and I have no right to question it. Your beliefs should be respected and tolerated, and apparently they should not be pressed onto others or voiced publicly or politically..

I hope this post hasn't offended anybody. And we should probably end this public discussion because discussions on the internet make Baby Jesus cry.

Shark Bless you Felixdcat!




God Bless you Barn.
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16 Nov 2011 1:10pm
barn said...

felixdcat said...


Why the red thumbs? They are just fkn fish.... ok big ugly ones... with no brain (almost) going around on a loop thinking Nom nom nom nom! Market the flesh into the latest delicacy that will make you dirck bigger and sell it in asia, bet they will buy it and eat it by the tonne! You guys are a bit sentimental.... do you kill herrings?? Now whales it is different story they are mammals and have a big brain!




Sorry Felix I would normally bite, but I'm supposed to be on my best behavior..

You are entitled to your Intellectual position and I have no right to question it. Your beliefs should be respected and tolerated, and apparently they should not be pressed onto others or voiced publicly or politically..

I hope this post hasn't offended anybody. And we should probably end this public discussion because discussions on the internet make Baby Jesus cry.

Shark Bless you Felixdcat!


Thank you mate! I only believe in Giant Spaghetti Monster, but it was a nice intention from you!

barn
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16 Nov 2011 1:18pm
^lol..

Should we hear the Shark has to say about all this?


getfunky
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16 Nov 2011 1:51pm
I think you have deeply offended





And as for the theory that the odds of being gobbled are 'unfathomable' - 3 in 3 months is pretty kn fathomable - what part aren't you cluing onto??

On this side of the dusty land - your odds of becoming fish food are up.. WAY UP!!
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16 Nov 2011 2:08pm


As for my project. Nothing exciting. Basically want to go out and lure in


Stop doing that & they might not associate boats & people with food.

It's like training a fkn dog

Burleying, cage diving & feeding sharks should be banned
getfunky
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16 Nov 2011 2:13pm
Paul Kelf said...



As for my project. Nothing exciting. Basically want to go out and lure in


Stop doing that & they might not associate boats & people with food.

It's like training a fkn dog

Burleying, cage diving & feeding sharks should be banned


Totally agree.

Pics of tools in boats burleying the sharks and taking photos make me face palm.

Sharky thinks:

Boats = ++food and no threat

All good.. until there is no free handout.. then sharky starts thinkin:
"Wait there goes a really long skinny lookin seal.. nom nom nom. Tastes like chicken (or long pig)."
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16 Nov 2011 2:50pm
subasurf said...

jbshack said...

My understanding is that sharks don't like human as the fat content isn't high enough.


Definitely not the case. Sharks tend to not actually consume humans (although many times the injured surfer/diver/swimmer is removed from the water before the shark has a chance) but I can assure you it's not because of our lack of fat content.



Maybe for you young fit blokes, but for us old(er) blokes who've been out of action for 9 months... a juicy fat whale aint go nothing on my blubber content at the moment


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16 Nov 2011 3:18pm



My understanding is that sharks don't like human as the fat content isn't high enough. Sharks once they have eaten take some time and energy to digest food and human flesh just doesn't cut it for them. How they can tell what our fat content is i don't know but maybe they can sonar some how. Not sure..

The shark shield for a surfer only works whilst sitting still so that the prob can sink into the water. Once you move and the prob comes up your defenseless again..


Rod make no mistake, sharks will eat people, especially when the shark in question is a Kombi with fins and big fark off teeth. The main reason people make it back to the beach is due to intervention.
Big Whites like the ones that took Guesty at Rocko, Juicy at the Abs and Bob Bartle at Jurien make no errors when it comes to having a human snack. Even smaller 10-12ft units will be quite happy to finish the job like with the fella at Cott recently.
Conversely when their lunch is dragged away by a heap of splashing pests or explodes in a mass of bubbles from a ruptured hose or comes with a gobfull of fibreglass and fins, that meal gets put in the too hard basket.
You're fooling yourself if you think we are not food. And that's not to say that I agree with a cull, although I am getting closer to liking the idea under certain circumstances.



Woodo
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16 Nov 2011 3:21pm
Paul Kelf said...



As for my project. Nothing exciting. Basically want to go out and lure in


Stop doing that & they might not associate boats & people with food.

It's like training a fkn dog

Burleying, cage diving & feeding sharks should be banned


+1
felixdcat
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16 Nov 2011 3:41pm
Woodo said...

Paul Kelf said...



As for my project. Nothing exciting. Basically want to go out and lure in


Stop doing that & they might not associate boats & people with food.

It's like training a fkn dog

Burleying, cage diving & feeding sharks should be banned


+1

+1 too

doggie
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16 Nov 2011 4:38pm
felixdcat said...

Woodo said...

Paul Kelf said...



As for my project. Nothing exciting. Basically want to go out and lure in


Stop doing that & they might not associate boats & people with food.

It's like training a fkn dog

Burleying, cage diving & feeding sharks should be banned


+1

+1 too




How are they going to tag if they dont that tho?
subasurf
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16 Nov 2011 4:44pm
Paul Kelf said...



As for my project. Nothing exciting. Basically want to go out and lure in


Stop doing that & they might not associate boats & people with food.

It's like training a fkn dog

Burleying, cage diving & feeding sharks should be banned


Definitely understand what you're saying, but there isn't really any other method to deploy tags onto a white shark. At least none that I know of short of freediving with them using a speargun...even then, you can only apply the most primitive of tags using that method.

Having said all that, I've never had the intention of chumming to bring in sharks to a boat. The simplest method is to go to them which isn't hard. But at some point you do have to hook them and get them on the boat (or if it's a large shark 'restrain' them along side the boat) to deploy a tag properly. There just isn't any other way. At the end of the day, sharks approaching boats isn't a big deal. Sharks approaching swimmers in shore (the majority of attacks) is a big deal. The pros and cons of doing the research heavily trend towards the pros.

If you're actually so adamant about the whole 'luring' sharks in being such a bad thing you may as well call to ban all forms of boat fishing. Nothing brings in a noah more quickly than a struggling snapper being ripped up from the bottom.

felixdcat said...

Maybe the lack of explanation!




Maybe if you actually read the posts in this thread before making kneejerk comments then you would actually make more sense.
SandS
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16 Nov 2011 7:49pm
seal pup season ? white thinks mmmm yum
Woodo
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16 Nov 2011 4:58pm
^^ Valid point and I don't have an answer.

I however don't agree with burleying up for days on end then having person after person jump into a cage with them whilst throwing out big chunks of fish on ropes and dragging that fish back towards the cage with people in it. Effectively they are tormenting the shark with food while swimming it towards people.

I also don't agree with towing things behind boats be it surfboards or foam cut outs in the shape of seals to get the whites to attack.

IMO this is just plain stupid getting whites to associate boats and people with an easy feed.

Thier brain may be small but i reckon they are a whole lot smarter than people think...
subasurf
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16 Nov 2011 5:05pm
Woodo said...

^^ Valid point and I don't have an answer.

I however don't agree with burleying up for days on end then having person after person jump into a cage with them whilst throwing out big chunks of fish on ropes and dragging that fish back towards the cage with people in it. Effectively they are tormenting the shark with food while swimming it towards people.



Couldn't agree more mate. Which is why I'm a signature on the petitions to stop cage diving with white sharks in South Australia. As a shark researcher I always wanted to get in the water with white sharks but I wont do it with a cage. I've been in the water with them before, up close and personal, without wanting to though haha.
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16 Nov 2011 5:15pm
subasurf said...
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Couldn't agree more mate. Which is why I'm a signature on the petitions to stop cage diving with white sharks in South Australia. As a shark researcher I always wanted to get in the water with white sharks but I wont do it with a cage. I've been in the water with them before, up close and personal, without wanting to though haha.


Ha. Yeah i'll pass on the up close and personal bit.
Having one cruise around my boat while having a fish is close enough for me....
subasurf
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16 Nov 2011 5:21pm
I didn't chose to have my encounters!

Freediving with white sharks is done quite often though, either by experts who understand them well enough or by thrill seekers...sometimes both.
I hope to do it one day, but we'll see. I wouldn't do it unless I thought I was experience enough to read their body language. It's easy to read other sharks body language but white sharks...I don't know.
Woodo
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16 Nov 2011 5:37pm
Yeah i've seen quite a bit of footage of people diving with whites with no cage or sheild. Sure would get your blood pumping and i reckon you'd start to shlt if more than 2 decided to show up.
Have to have eyes in the back of your head.
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16 Nov 2011 8:23pm
subasurf said...



The simplest method is to go to them which isn't hard. But at some point you do have to hook them and get them on the boat (or if it's a large shark 'restrain' them along side the boat) to deploy a tag properly. There just isn't any other way. At the end of the day, sharks approaching boats isn't a big deal



In a previous post you claim GW to be endangered, and yet they're plentifull enough you can just go to them which isn't hard.

So which is it?
subasurf
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16 Nov 2011 6:03pm
Mate...that makes absolutely no sense. There are things called "congregation sites" where they tend to hang around for things like breeding, birthing and feeding.
Just because there are places where they are easy to find doesn't mean they are not endangered.

Take the endangered Blue Whale for example. Everyone knows there endangered yet there was a bunch of them down in Geograph bay last week. Just because there was a bunch there in one spot doesn't make them any less endangered.

Another example is the Northern Blue Fin Tuna which is critically endangered. Still, if you're privy to research data and know where to look, they wont be too hard to find.

Endangered doesn't always mean there is almost none left. It can mean that the numbers are low enough and the rate at which they are being killed is high meaning there is a seriously decreased chance of their population recovering.
It's common sense mate.
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16 Nov 2011 6:12pm
Woodo said...

Yeah i've seen quite a bit of footage of people diving with whites with no cage or sheild. Sure would get your blood pumping and i reckon you'd start to shlt if more than 2 decided to show up.

You probably saw this before but if you guys didn't it is amazing!

www.facebook.com/hungryeyeimages/videos/10150431875439669/
subasurf
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16 Nov 2011 6:19pm
thanks for sharing that.
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16 Nov 2011 9:13pm
subasurf said...

Mate...that makes absolutely no sense. There are things called "congregation sites" where they tend to hang around for things like breeding, birthing and feeding.
Just because there are places where they are easy to find doesn't mean they are not endangered.

Take the endangered Blue Whale for example. Everyone knows there endangered yet there was a bunch of them down in Geograph bay last week. Just because there was a bunch there in one spot doesn't make them any less endangered.

Another example is the Northern Blue Fin Tuna which is critically endangered. Still, if you're privy to research data and know where to look, they wont be too hard to find.



I ask a legitimate Question. There is no need for you to be condescending.

I have 89 months of sea time mostly on large fishing purse seiners and 90% of that time has been spent in waters between Sydney and the and the WA border.

I can remember at least 6 so called "scientists" that went to sea with us to conduct their reseach and to be honest, most would not know their arse from their face. One genius demanded we stop fishing because the fish were spawning. The spawn was in fact sh!t.

I've been around long enough to see the scientific facts from the 80's and 90's proven to be crap. Perhaps you know what your on about, We'll see, One thing I know for sure. The first sign of a dill is that they get all defensive when questioned.

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16 Nov 2011 7:01pm
Condescending? You asked a question that has an obvious answer so you got an obvious answer. Don't blame me.

Anyone who's spent that much time at sea would surely know that fish species are not homogeneously spread throughout the ocean.
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16 Nov 2011 7:16pm
subasurf said...

jbshack said...

My understanding is that sharks don't like human as the fat content isn't high enough. Sharks once they have eaten take some time and energy to digest food and human flesh just doesn't cut it for them. How they can tell what our fat content is i don't know but maybe they can sonar some how. Not sure..



Definitely not the case. Sharks tend to not actually consume humans (although many times the injured surfer/diver/swimmer is removed from the water before the shark has a chance) but I can assure you it's not because of our lack of fat content.


So, what is the reason then?

I thought it was because they bit into a person and the feel and smell of their prey tells them it is not worth the energy content of digesting it, as they really are trying for nice fatty seals. Of course, by then it is too late for the prey.

So, if its not fat content, what is it?

Surely evolution suggests that sharks too have to be somewhat careful about what they eat. Nice high calorie seals would be a great snack, but relatively low calorie humans may not be.

If sharks were not concerned about what they ate, wouldn't they just eat everything without checking it out first?
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16 Nov 2011 7:19pm
subasurf said...

Condescending? You asked a question that has an obvious answer so you got an obvious answer. Don't blame me.

Anyone who's spent that much time at sea would surely know that fish species are not homogeneously spread throughout the ocean.



Sorry mate, but to me, not being a 'shark person' that sounded like a reasonable question. To you it has an obvious answer, but probably not to him, and probably not the rest of us.

It was a good answer, but not immediately obvious to those that haven't looked at this before.

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