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elcoco
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15 Nov 2011 7:42pm
A large white pointer shark was sight today at Avalon point Mandurah at 10:00 a.m and the day before a 5 m pointer appears for a look at the swan wreck and surrounders...what is going on with the pointer season this year!
subasurf
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15 Nov 2011 7:54pm
They're hanging around in shore for longer, hence more sightings.
My opinion on why they are sticking around? Less food out 'there' and more food in the coastal waters.

Not really a big deal. NEWS FLASH! Shark in ocean.

Nice to hear the government are chucking a whole heap of money at the issue though, in terms of research funds. Good timing for me as I've been trying to obtain funding for a shark tagging project this summer. This might be the chance, finally.
Zuke
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15 Nov 2011 8:10pm
^^^^ $14M in funding suba, will that be enough for you?
subasurf
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15 Nov 2011 8:15pm
Hmm...we do like to drink a lot of beer on the boat ;)
I'm willing to bet if fisheries get that money they'll just buy some new boats, new cars and then do a one day shark tagging trip and call it quits.

If I had 14m in funding...every bloody white shark that ever entered WA waters would have a PSAT and acoustic tag on it
theDoctor
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15 Nov 2011 11:23pm

Maybe you could tag them with an mp3 player that has enya on an endless loop...

That should calm them down....
subasurf
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15 Nov 2011 8:26pm
or more likely make them seriously homicidal.
elcoco
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15 Nov 2011 8:43pm
14m is a lot of money, would be good to see what difference it will make....as soon as they don't kill them just follow their steps, sounds good
Woodo
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15 Nov 2011 8:44pm
Sharks everywhere. Would highly recommend all those that plan on diving this weekend for crays not too.
Leave the boat at home.
elcoco
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15 Nov 2011 8:52pm
Anyone here on the ABC radio the interview with the couple diving at the swan! it was very interesting, the guy using a rebreather (no bubbles) reckon that the shark turn away because of the shark shield he was wearing and a device he had attach to his foot or ankle, not exactly know what is that device, he said to Jeff Hatchinson (cant spell his surname properly sorry) that money should be invested on nets, those devices and the sharks shields for divers. It was very interesting..what do you guys reckon?
subasurf
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15 Nov 2011 9:18pm
Nets not only dont work (most sharks caught in nets are caught on the swimmer side) but they also cause havoc to the local marine life. Everyone knows this, yet some people, for some reason, still think it's a viable option.

As for the shark shield, it is pretty much proven technology. Several scientific papers have been released by elasmobranch biologists to support the evidence and the anecdotal evidence is astounding. There are several electronic shark deterrents on the market and the Aussie made 'Shark Shield' is by far the most effective and reliable. Problem with sharkshields is that tend to zap you from time to time but, if you're a regular diver, it may be worth the investment. Having said that, I would never go diving with/near someone that had one. The zap hurts. You can also get them for surfboards but they're 5hit.

At the end of the day, the only way for people to be 100% safe from sharks is to stay on land. Otherwise, sack up and get wet. I'm stoked about the intended funds for further shark research from a researcher's point of view more so than for swimmer's safety. The more we know about white sharks (at the moment we know almost nothing) the more we can do to protect them (still very much endangered) and even possibly unlock the 'secret' as to why they seams to be hanging around coastal waters when their usual prefered habitat is off the continental shelf.
hilly
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15 Nov 2011 9:19pm
If worried get one of these ocean-guardian.com/?/m/surfing-surf7/productID/1
elcoco
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15 Nov 2011 9:24pm
Yes that was the device he was talking about it, you think it will work ...why anyone use it then?, i never saw any surfer or diver with one of those before maybe is the go
subasurf
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15 Nov 2011 9:27pm
People tend not to use them because they cost money, are a pain in the arse to 'wear' or have attached to your board and the odds of being attacked by a shark are so unfathomably low that there is very little justification in buying one unless you're a abalone diver
newguy
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15 Nov 2011 10:30pm
Is it just me or has sharks become the latest media craze? As Suba said, the chances of sighting or getting attacked by one is so low yet journalists have made it as if the ocean is a war zone. I mean good on the government to provide funding but you've got to wonder, if these journalists put their skills to good use, they could help solve so many of the world problems at the moment by drawing attention to those causes instead of sharkie the shark who likes to swim close to Cottesloe every now and then.
smicko
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16 Nov 2011 1:03am
Now just to be clear Suba, I'm not taking the piss, serious question.
If we know so little about Whites how do we know that their usual habitat is over the shelf?

It really doesn't make much sense to me that a top end predator (especially the big 5m+ bitches) like a White would spend most of their time in 200m + of water working their arse off for a feed of fish or squid when they can ambush easy mammalian pickings in shallow water.

All fish are opportunistic feeders and ALL fish ALWAYS choose the option that pays the greatest reward in kilojoules for energy expended. It's why trout hide behind a midstream boulder and dart out to nail passing baitfish or bream in snags or tailor in whitewater etc etc.

I used to spend a lot of time jigging for Samson fish in 100+m of water and at times we lost a **** load of fish to noahs and got to see a lot of big noahs up close nailing them too. Mostly big Bronzies with the odd Mako. Saw a couple of Whites, but only a couple and none bigger than 10-12ft.

Now I've never spent much time chasing the spawning Pinks in Cockburn Sound but from what I hear most of the Whites that do the same are in the 8-12ft size range too. Fast sleek animals that can justify chasing quick moving fish.

In contrast, over the past 30 odd years I've had a couple of run ins with big serious **** off Whites. Once surfing Rocky Point and once watching a BIG seal that had just nailed the salmon on the end of my line get absolutely ****en belted at the other end of Bunker Bay.

The run in at Rocky Point was 20 years ago, 2 of us out and we both made it back in to the rocks to watch this Kombi with fins cruise up and down the point looking for it's lunch that had departed early.
The seal was maybe 5 years later and shook me to my core, this thing just ****ed it up big time. Took me a long time to get back in the water as much as I am now.

Can't say why but I feel certain it was the same animal and I know for a fact that there's a lot of local surfers down there that feel resident Whites are becoming a problem..

Not saying I know what the solution is, just making an observation. And that observation is that big Whites are usually resident fish and ambush hunters, with maybe the odd annual holiday chasing wee whales up and down our coast.

Kinda like toolies at Rotto.

evlPanda
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16 Nov 2011 11:29am
smicko said...
It really doesn't make much sense to me that a top end predator (especially the big 5m+ bitches) like a White would spend most of their time in 200m + of water working their arse off for a feed of fish or squid when they can ambush easy mammalian pickings in shallow water.


If there are any sharks reading this forum he's only kidding.

(shut the **** up smicko)

evlPanda
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16 Nov 2011 11:31am
...that said they are a pretty smart animal the Great Whites. I wonder how long it will take until they notice us? Easy pickings. Couple more generations?
pepe47
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16 Nov 2011 8:43am
elcoco said...

A large white pointer shark was sight today at Avalon point Mandurah at 10:00 a.m and the day before a 5 m pointer appears for a look at the swan wreck and surrounders...what is going on with the pointer season this year!


Thats it, you're on your own Elmo
barn
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16 Nov 2011 8:59am
subasurf said...


If I had 14m in funding...every bloody white shark that ever entered WA waters would have a PSAT and acoustic tag on it


As a windsurfer I know exactly what a tiny piece of weed on my fin feels like. You can't plane and it's infuriating. Has anybody done any experiments on the drag that these tags induce?


Can you tell us more about your tagging project? Sounds cool.
subasurf
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16 Nov 2011 9:22am
smicko said...

Now just to be clear Suba, I'm not taking the piss, serious question.
If we know so little about Whites how do we know that their usual habitat is over the shelf?



That's a very good question. Still one to properly be answered I suppose. The theory that they spend (normally) much of their time out in deeper waters was supported by tagging data from whites tagged in South Australia.

The majority of a white's diet is NOT mammals like most people assume. They tend to feast heavily (especially when they are juvenile and sub adult) on finfish like snapper and tuna, squid (only really when the shark is young and the squid large) as well as other elasmobranchs which tend to also hang out in deeper waters. From what I've read of a report done in the early 1990s, there were many cases of archival tagged white sharks that almost entirely bottom dwelled in deeper waters, feasting most likely on elasmobranchs and forgoing much of the other food sources.

But yeah, this is the thing. We just don't know enough about them. The last decade or so of tag data in Australian waters suggest they spend much of their time out at sea in pelagic and deeper waters. There is an idea that there is some kind of ecological switch (possibly the seasonal movements of schooling fish like the tailor) that draws sharks into our coastal waters. As has been proven, especially in America, when a shark moves into the coast and finds the feeding is good they tend to stick around. With a dramatic increase in whale numbers in WA (according to what I've been told by the DEC) there would most certainly be more natural whale fatalities and the carcasses tend to stay in near the coast. A white shark cannot resist that! This is probably just one of many reasons they appear to be hanging around. That and my theory that there is less substantial food out in the deeper waters than they are use to. But, at the moment it's just all theory and hopefully this $14m might help us figure it out a little better!


barn said...
Has anybody done any experiments on the drag that these tags induce?



There's been plenty of research done. Quite in depth mathematical modelling and trail and error has been used to try and create the best tag design possible. Not just for the sharks benefit but also because there is no point going to all the effort to tag something if the drag will pull the tag out Basically if the tag weight to body weight ratio is within a suitable range and the design is streamline then there shouldn't be a problem. White sharks travel on average at around 3km/h. It's not quick enough to really create drag.

As for my project. Nothing exciting. Basically want to go out and lure in and catch white sharks, aswell as have a 'rapid response' capability to go out and tag sharks when they come into our beaches (such as cott and rotto). Also hoping to do some serious tagging of bullsharks in our river...seeing as we know just as little about them.
felixdcat
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16 Nov 2011 10:22am
subasurf said...

Hmm...we do like to drink a lot of beer on the boat ;)
I'm willing to bet if fisheries get that money they'll just buy some new boats, new cars and then do a one day shark tagging trip and call it quits.

If I had 14m in funding...every bloody white shark that ever entered WA waters would have a PSAT and acoustic tag on it

Nah.... just tag them with a 12 gauge solid between the eyes and then..... fish and chips! Just ask Dinsd about what is sacred about sharks?????

Woodo
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16 Nov 2011 10:28am
Here we go again...
subasurf
subasurf
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16 Nov 2011 10:38am
I wont bite...
...but I will say white shark meat is not edible.
Woodo
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16 Nov 2011 10:55am
elcoco said...

Yes that was the device he was talking about it, you think it will work ...why anyone use it then?, i never saw any surfer or diver with one of those before maybe is the go


Have seen one work with my own eyes diving on tanks at steep. My brother was braining a baldy in 20m and had a 10-12ft bronzy come screaming up behind him. Was positive it was going to go him but veered off about 2m away. I shat myself. He didn't even see it... Both wearing shark sheilds. Money well spent IMO.

The zap's not that bad Suba. Toughen up
(at least when you get zapped you know they are on)
felixdcat
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16 Nov 2011 11:26am
felixdcat said...

subasurf said...

Hmm...we do like to drink a lot of beer on the boat ;)
I'm willing to bet if fisheries get that money they'll just buy some new boats, new cars and then do a one day shark tagging trip and call it quits.

If I had 14m in funding...every bloody white shark that ever entered WA waters would have a PSAT and acoustic tag on it

Nah.... just tag them with a 12 gauge solid between the eyes and then..... fish and chips! Just ask Dinsd about what is sacred about sharks?????



Why the red thumbs? They are just fkn fish.... ok big ugly ones... with no brain (almost) going around on a loop thinking Nom nom nom nom! Market the flesh into the latest delicacy that will make you dirck bigger and sell it in asia, bet they will buy it and eat it by the tonne! You guys are a bit sentimental.... do you kill herrings?? Now whales it is different story they are mammals and have a big brain!

felixdcat
felixdcat
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16 Nov 2011 11:33am
subasurf said...

I wont bite...
...but I will say white shark meat is not edible.

Is it poisonous??? If we can make sheep guts taste like crab (crab sticks) we can make shark flesh taste like smoked salmon!
subasurf
subasurf
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16 Nov 2011 11:50am
Woodo said...


The zap's not that bad Suba. Toughen up
(at least when you get zapped you know they are on)


Never actually worn one myself so I'm just going off what other guys have told me. Guess they're just a bunch of pussies


felixdcat said...

Why the red thumbs?


What do you expect when you make retarded comments.
...and yes. White Shark meat is essentially poisonous. But don't take my word for it, go see for yourself.


felixdcat said...
You guys are a bit sentimental.... do you kill herrings??


Comparing a very plentiful and sustainable caught fish to one that is endangered...that's like saying that we should hunt and eat the white rhino because we eat beef.
jbshack
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16 Nov 2011 11:53am
evlPanda said...

smicko said...
It really doesn't make much sense to me that a top end predator (especially the big 5m+ bitches) like a White would spend most of their time in 200m + of water working their arse off for a feed of fish or squid when they can ambush easy mammalian pickings in shallow water.


If there are any sharks reading this forum he's only kidding.

(shut the **** up smicko)




My understanding is that sharks don't like human as the fat content isn't high enough. Sharks once they have eaten take some time and energy to digest food and human flesh just doesn't cut it for them. How they can tell what our fat content is i don't know but maybe they can sonar some how. Not sure..

The shark shield for a surfer only works whilst sitting still so that the prob can sink into the water. Once you move and the prob comes up your defenseless again..
felixdcat
felixdcat
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16 Nov 2011 11:54am
subasurf said...

Woodo said...


The zap's not that bad Suba. Toughen up
(at least when you get zapped you know they are on)


Never actually worn one myself so I'm just going off what other guys have told me. Guess they're just a bunch of pussies


felixdcat said...

Why the red thumbs?


What do you expect when you make retarded comments.
...and yes. White Shark meat is essentially poisonous. But don't take my word for it, go see for yourself.

Mmmmmmm better a live pussy than a dead hero!

BulldogPup
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16 Nov 2011 11:55am
felixdcat said...

felixdcat said...

subasurf said...

Hmm...we do like to drink a lot of beer on the boat ;)
I'm willing to bet if fisheries get that money they'll just buy some new boats, new cars and then do a one day shark tagging trip and call it quits.

If I had 14m in funding...every bloody white shark that ever entered WA waters would have a PSAT and acoustic tag on it

Nah.... just tag them with a 12 gauge solid between the eyes and then..... fish and chips! Just ask Dinsd about what is sacred about sharks?????



Why the red thumbs? They are just fkn fish.... ok big ugly ones... with no brain (almost) going around on a loop thinking Nom nom nom nom! Market the flesh into the latest delicacy that will make you dirck bigger and sell it in asia, bet they will buy it and eat it by the tonne! You guys are a bit sentimental.... do you kill herrings?? Now whales it is different story they are mammals and have a big brain!




Hey cat - red thumbs reduced a bit mate
subasurf
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16 Nov 2011 11:57am
jbshack said...

My understanding is that sharks don't like human as the fat content isn't high enough. Sharks once they have eaten take some time and energy to digest food and human flesh just doesn't cut it for them. How they can tell what our fat content is i don't know but maybe they can sonar some how. Not sure..



Definitely not the case. Sharks tend to not actually consume humans (although many times the injured surfer/diver/swimmer is removed from the water before the shark has a chance) but I can assure you it's not because of our lack of fat content.
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