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Reply in Topic: How did we get here
hilly
hilly

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Wednesday,
25 Feb 2026 12:29am
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Subsonic said..
Why do you keep starting these threads?


You'll be joining remery in the sin bin soon.


Interested in their point of view. Why be so grumpy when we live in an amazing time. Low crime, prosperous and lots of recreation time. But they are not happy and think someone is out to get them. I find the rise of Trumpism in Australia scary. The fishnchip poli is dangerous.
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Tuesday,
24 Feb 2026 7:33pm
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Not sure how we have move so far away from this.
Reply in Topic: Wingers Hillaries
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hilly

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Tuesday,
24 Feb 2026 7:01am
Hi Scotty hope you are enjoying your trip over to WA from QLD to the flat weedy water of Hillaries.

Kiters tend to annoy others when they:
Use the whole beach to set up their lines across the only entrance to the beach.
Demand non-kiters launch or land their kite.
Sail with their kite low to the water using a 30m swath of ocean.
Sail slowly on their twin tip at a different angle to others.
Don't look before jumping.
Jump near others.
Land out of control.
And worst of all wear boardies over their wetsuit.

If you can avoid these and others I have missed you will have a better chance of meeting new friends on your trip. Enjoy.
Reply in Topic: Fone frigate sizing
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Monday,
23 Feb 2026 6:44pm
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Youngbreezy said..
Thanks Hilly, I thought you would have the answer!
A 4m frigate could be a great daily driver for me especially during Perth summers, not in a rush though as summers almost over.



Fab down here has one on special atm if interested

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Reply in Topic: Fone frigate sizing
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Monday,
23 Feb 2026 12:35pm
I saw that comment on the low end before I swapped to Frigates from Dwings. I can assure you the 4.7 has way more bottom end than the 4.2 flow. Closest would be the 4m Frigate. Answer is yes.
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20 Feb 2026 12:01pm
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Reply in Topic: Rip up and stow parawing
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7979 posts

18 Feb 2026 7:48pm
Smik
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18 Feb 2026 5:22am
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nikalai said..
Thanks hilly, when you say pulls like a truck does that mean lots of low end but no off switch?! Does the PT skin depower?


It does depower but not as well as the Frigate. That is exactly what I wanted for light wind.
hilly
hilly

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17 Feb 2026 6:42am
I have a PT Skin and Frigates. They fly very differently, the 5.4 PT Skin pulls like a truck and I at 93kg would not go bigger. Great in light air but does not handle gusts as well as a Frigate. Light fabric and tight C lines means the 777 is a joy to transition in light wind compared to a Frigate.
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hilly

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17 Feb 2026 6:37am
When I started I thought the same as all the negative comments above. Once your para skills get developed most of the issues dissappear. Just sold my last wing. Prefer the para in all ways. I am not Kai and will never do the spinny whizzy stuff wings are better for. I really enjoy just cruising around on the para and slowly improving.

Start with one quality para (4 to 5m) and use it on suitable days to build up the skills needed. Going all in too early may lead to frustration due to the negatives mentioned above. Slow transition from one to the other works well. Enjoy
hilly
hilly

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16 Feb 2026 8:40am
Less talking head. Short and sharp to the point with commentary laid over relevant images and graphics.
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15 Feb 2026 8:01pm
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timbertson said..I would focus on? weight? shape? stiffness (construction material)?


yes
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13 Feb 2026 1:08pm
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MProject04 said..

hilly said..
Ordered in September arrived in Jan



Enjoy the frigates for a year get he quest next year on a discount. Take all the (sales) hype with a pinch of salt. There are benefits in lagging with 1 season (although the concept of a season is being disrupted by guerilla sales tactics)


Quest is not for me really. Prefer up/down runs. After decades of sup and kite downwinders the logistics of dw runs spoils it for me.
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13 Feb 2026 1:06pm
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samcclus said..
I am running the f-one frigates and I am not charging them out, they are great IMO and not looking for every percent improvement, I improve more by working harder on my technique. Maybe in 12 months but maybe the year after I think. Got my pack down and relaunch pretty sussed, been out in 15 to 30 plus knots. Loving the parawing atm. Can't see enormous changes.


You mean it is my skill level not the kit that means the most

yep agree the Frigates are great just wish they had waited to do a V2 well after launching the quest.
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13 Feb 2026 7:43am
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drc13 said..

hilly said..
It was worth the wait for the Frigate. It is a great para. Better than the Pocket Rocket imo due to the lines material and length.



I'm currently using a Frigate but must admit I'm surprised you didn't end up on the Smik Parawing (a few of the locals here seem to think it's pretty good for the price)

What led you to that choice?


Smik was not out then. I wanted up/downwind with good pack down. At the time the Frigate was the best on the market, probably is still, for what I do. Go upwind and ride swells back in for <800m then repeat, so lots of collapse and redeploys. The Smik is great value for money, excellent downwind pack option.
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hilly

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13 Feb 2026 6:04am
It was worth the wait for the Frigate. It is a great para. Better than the Pocket Rocket imo due to the lines material and length.
hilly
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12 Feb 2026 5:37pm
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Jve said..
V2 Frigate is coming this summer, so a completely normal cycle with yearly roduct releases, which seems very reasonable in a new sport like parawinging. It will have been like 8 months between the release of the Frigate and Quest, which hardly can be criticized for being rushed. If you bought a really good product, but further development of the sport makes you frustrated or angry, you're they could not supply only a victim of your own psychology. I suggest being stoked about the development and all the good products that are available for us to enjoy!


But they could not supply in a timely fashion. Then bring out an updated model ffs.
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12 Feb 2026 4:22pm
Ordered in September arrived in Jan
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12 Feb 2026 4:08pm
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czareka said..

hilly said..


Youngbreezy said..
Interesting! Very interesting

It looks like both Fone and ozone are going in a 2 model ( or possibly more) direction. I'm thinking the v2 frigate and v2 pocket rocket will be absolute beasts upwind and probably push the speed and free ride aspects.




V2 Frigate? I just got V1
Will they offer a buy back



Why, buy back? The frigate V1 is an excellent parawing too. I've 4 of them. Like them very much. V2 you can expect maybe in July.


Turn over is too quick. Devaluing previous versions. It is like they rush stuff out to get sales. Like my Frigates but if a better version comes out a premium product is not worth much.
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12 Feb 2026 2:29pm
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Youngbreezy said..
Interesting! Very interesting

It looks like both Fone and ozone are going in a 2 model ( or possibly more) direction. I'm thinking the v2 frigate and v2 pocket rocket will be absolute beasts upwind and probably push the speed and free ride aspects.


V2 Frigate? I just got V1
Will they offer a buy back
Reply in Topic: New wang on the block
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11 Feb 2026 9:26am
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flowstate said..
any tips on harness line setup Smik bar? looking for setup that'll handle edging HARD upwind when lit


Same as any other para. Single loops like Fone or Ozone on the A line end of the bar work best IMO. Or have a rope/hook on your harness that you click onto the bar never tried but heaps of DIY example on web.
Reply in Topic: Board repair thoughts?
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hilly

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7979 posts

11 Feb 2026 8:37am
At most a bit of Solarez to seal the crack. Play on
Reply in Topic: "It will buff out"
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hilly

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7979 posts

8 Feb 2026 8:01pm
Usual Aussie response ban ban ban.
issue is mainly parent supervision and instilling manners.
Reply in Topic: New wang on the block
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7 Feb 2026 6:52pm
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Reply in Topic: The Funny Images Thread
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31 Jan 2026 1:35pm



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31 Jan 2026 1:25pm
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BWalnut said..


eppo said..
disagree - they will evolve boards to suite parawing more. but for now yeh - any mid will do the job




How much better do we think they will get? What's the tangible change we predict?

I've been thinking about this a lot watching this thread unfold. If the perfect parawing board released tomorrow, would everyone be on lower volumes? Shorter lengths? Smaller sails? Or, will it be more of a small upgrade? A 5% easier but no significant alteration to dims and sails?



There is no perfect board. What I like will be totally different to what you like and that is good. Vive la difference
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28 Jan 2026 1:27pm
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eppo said..

hilly said..
Really there are two categories good wind and bad wind. Good wind do what you want as anything with in reason will work.
Bad/marginal wind needs more thought.




yes and no. The nose "thing" was a real issue on that 70km osprey exmouth run on the 65Ml in head to double head high runners starting wise and the reason i got the 75 instead - which was a shame because the 65 was significantlt more nimble. Then again i was only 4 para sessions in might be a different story now so you may very well be right. Steely and angus are on 19L prones in big winds so not sure there is any talk of nose volume etc lol!


must admit since this thread i've been getting up way further back and . not many issues


Wait until you get the 5.4 you will be on a prone board.
All the beginners here are just using wing boards and doing really well. No need for a para board in good wind.
hilly
hilly

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28 Jan 2026 1:00pm
Really there are two categories good wind and bad wind. Good wind do what you want as anything with in reason will work.
Bad/marginal wind needs more thought.
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26 Jan 2026 7:25am
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eppo said..

hilly said..


czareka said..
Hi everyone,

I've been closely watching the parawing scene develop lately, and there is a trend that is starting to pick up.More and more, we see boards being labeled as "parawing boards", but in reality, many of them are just rebranded mid-length boards.

Simply changing a name or making a standard shape a bit narrower doesn't mean it will actually work for the specific demands of a parawing. A label doesn't change the physics, and the market needs a more systematic approach to what actually makes a board work.

To get on foil with a parawing, you aren't just looking for a "narrower" board; you are looking for a very specific type of hydrodynamics designed from the ground up. Based on technical deep divesfromexperts likeGav (Hydrofoil), Foilrat, and many others across international forums, I believe we can define a set of requirements for any board to be truly parawing certified.

The most critical part of this design is the Forward Volume Distribution. When you are standing on the board, generating power and pumping the foil to get that initial lift, you need the buoyancy right under your feet and shifted forward. This is the only way to stop the nose from pearling or diving when you apply high pressure during the start. If a board lacks this forward float, the nose will just sink the moment you try to build speed.

Equally important is the Narrow Tail with a Sharp V exit. A skinny tail is essential to reduce drag, but the deep V at the back is what allows you to sink the tail just enough to pop the nose up the second the foil starts to engage. Without this specific tail shape, the board stays glued to the surface, making it much harder to initiate the flight.

Then we have the hull design. A true parawing shape must have IMO a Continuous V-Hull with zero flat spots. Flat surfaces act like giant suction cups on the water. The design should start as a mild V at the nose and progressively become deeper and sharper as it moves toward the tail. This breaks the surface tension and allows the board to track perfectly straight without sticking to the surface.

A critical detail that many manufacturers overlook and a major red flag in rebranded boards, is how the foil tracks are installed. The industry standard is often to create a flat section on the hull to mount the tracks, which destroys the bottom curve and the V-shape. On a truly optimized system, the foil tracks are installed with a very precise angle (rake) without ruining the hull's curve. This precise rake angle is of fundamental importance for early takeoff and board aerodynamics in flight mode.

In terms of construction, we have to look at the balance of weight and safety. While lightness is vital for high-frequency pumping, pure hollow boards have a major downside: if the shell is breached, they fill with water and sink. A better systematic approach issemi-hollow construction. This gives you the extreme lightness needed to minimize swing weight, but because it still contains a core, it maintains buoyancy. Even in a serious accident, the board won't drown; it stays afloat and can be used as alife raft, which is a huge peace of mind when you are far out.

To finish the design, the hardware needs to be optimized for weight. Short, well-positioned foil tracks are far superior to heavy, long tracks for parawinging. You also want a Recessed Mast Track to bring your feet closer to the foil head for better leverage, and Progressive Rails that are rounded at the front but transition intorazor-sharp edges at the tail for clean water separation.

A Real-World Example IMO is mySkywalker Vuelo 85L (6'0). It's a board that actually follows this entire design philosophy rather than just being a marketing rebrand. It implements the semi-hollow Airex core(!) technology, the continuous V-flow with no flat spots around the tracks, and the specific forward volume that keeps the nose up during the pump.

If you are looking for a dedicated parawing board, here is a checklist:

* Forward Float: The volume must be biased toward the front to prevent the nose from diving during the start. This is the foundation of a good parawing board.
* Narrow Tail and Sharp V: You need a skinny tail for speed and a sharp V-exit to allow the board to "tilt" and release from the water.
* Total V-Shape: Look for a continuous V from nose to tail. If you see flat spots on the bottom, especially around the tracks, it will likely act like a suction cup.
* Weight and Safety: Look forsemi-hollow construction and short, well-positioned tracks. It's about the balance between lightness and the ability to stay afloat in an emergency.
* Stiffness: Full carbon[/b]is a must. Any flex in the board is lost energy during your pump.

I'm curious to hear from others. Have you tried one of those renamed mid-length boards?














Way over complex. Ride what you have. Pretty sure mine goes against all the "must haves" above.






Ride what you have ? That's a board built by scotty specifically for para winging!! Does have a lot of volume distributed in the nose.


It is not long, it is not narrow, it has no V and the bottom is flat. Scotty makes it for all disciplines that is why it is The Jack.
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