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Scotty11001100 said..
To a few wingers at Hillaries...there are a few of you that need reminding that you dont own the ocean. Leave the attitude in your car and just enjoy the sport without being cranky and immature, especially when a kiter decides to enjoy the same area as yourself. If you cant, I suggest you take up another sport. Either way, its doesnt bother me, ill still kite in the same ocean and enjoy it just as everyone else and as we should.

I can say as a long time 10+ year kiter, even without knowing anyone involved or knowing anything about the situation it is most definitely the Bloody twin tipper at fault. There really is something about the twin tip that makes people act like a dick. Even today I was launching out off woodies for some upwind downwind on the parawing and some numpty on a twin tip jumped right in front of me requiring me to take evasive manoeuvres. Not a good jump either, a long low jump with all downwind and bugger all height. Clearly showing poor edge control and pop.


Never really had any run ins with wingers, it's just not the nature of the sport. My local spot, woodmans point is very popular with twin tippers. I only ride through the area the twin tippers ride in for a brief few minutes as I head upwind but I've had multiple run ins there with twin tippers. It's like they want to show off how they can jump in front of a foiler not realising half the foilers were kiting better than them 10 years ago.

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hilly said..

Youngbreezy said..
Thanks Hilly, I thought you would have the answer!
A 4m frigate could be a great daily driver for me especially during Perth summers, not in a rush though as summers almost over.

Fab down here has one on special atm if interested

www.facebook.com/share/1CfEdMbNgN/?mibextid=wwXIfr

Thanks, might check it out, so many good options coming out now hard to decide though!

Thanks Hilly, I thought you would have the answer!
A 4m frigate could be a great daily driver for me especially during Perth summers, not in a rush though as summers almost over.

I was just wondering how the frigate lines up with other wings in terms of sizing. I know a 4m should be a 4m but as we all know from wings and kites that doesn't always line up properly when comparing different models from different brands.
How does the frigate compare to a v1 Dwing? Is the 4.2m Dwing v1 closer to a 4m or 4.7m frigate? I saw one rider saying the 4.7 frigate didn't have much more low end than the 4.2 Dwing?
I am thinking of maybe replacing my 4.2 Dwing with a frigate if there's some good deals coming up. In the quiver with the 4.2 Dwing I currently have a 3m and 5.4m PT skin. Would a 4m frigate sit well between the 2 PT skins?

Interesting that it's not a very HA design. Looks like the rounded wing tips and the way it accordians up should make it pack very well. I have to say I'm a bit tempted. I am a heavy guy so for me getting a 4.3 or 3m with a ton of top end would be great. Can still have the power to get up but will hold well into the upper range.
Kite addiction has them advertised for pre order on their website. Good to see they will be available locally here in Perth. Prices are certainly not cheap though!

The flow Dwing v1 iis good overpowered, the tips flap a bit but remains controllable. Had my 4.2 out in 30 knots + many times before. There's a few good second hand deals on them now

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bigtone667 said..
Had the opportunity to have a run on a 2.8m Stash V2 yesterday. Have a lot of experience on the Cloud and dflow gear, so I was interested in how it would go.

They have really done a great job. It flies really well, sits really nicely and I had no issues being pulled up onto the 1300cm2 foil @ 110kg.
Holds power really nicely for the takeoff and it is pretty easy to lose as well.

Hey Bigtone what was the wind strength? How do they compare to the Flow Dwing v1 in terms of grunt/low end?

Damn that sucks Hilly, I was only aware of the v2 Frigate from this thread and what Czareka posted on FB. Probably not worth worrying about if just yet.
With things moving so quickly I kinda feel like whatever you buy will have poor resale so may as well just ride it till you've got your moneys worth.
@ Czareka do you think the Fone quest is kinda Fones answer to the ozone power pack?

Interesting! Very interesting

It looks like both Fone and ozone are going in a 2 model ( or possibly more) direction. I'm thinking the v2 frigate and v2 pocket rocket will be absolute beasts upwind and probably push the speed and free ride aspects.

I have used the art v2 1099 quite a bit now. It's a great wing, nice and glidy great in the bumps. The low end is not as good as you'd expect from a wing this size. There would be a big difference in low end between the hps 1050 and the art v2 1099. With that said the v2 1099 is more efficient and glidy so it will probably keep you up and flying longer. For winging I found the artv2 1099 to have plenty of low end I could be happy with it as my biggest wing. For parawing where you can't generate as much power to get going I have found the v2 1099 to be a bit trickier to get going in light winds.

Whilst it would be ideal to have a board purpose built for parawing I don't think people should be put off by thinking they need to buy a new parawing specific board to get started. Right now we are only just receiving the first production boards built for parawing so up until now the majority of parawingers have used boards that are not parawing specific.
Really any mid length or downwind board can work well. Ideally something not too wide or narrow and appropriate volume. Ive got a couple friends on the new axis frank mini dart boards and they definitely work better but it's not crucial that you have a parawing specific board to get started or progress.

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baldy123 said..
Toeside on the way out. Too lazy to switch stance that day. I found the 3m powered up cuts upwind easier than the 4m. I'll be keen to see what the triple seven hybrid wings or the new D-wing v2 can do for upwind performance.

Your angles will get better quickly I expect and the shuttle will look a lot less practical.

On the pocket rocket I typically have an included of 60 odd degrees and it gets better when I get the size ideal. That is switching stances of course. If I do two 3k tacks I will get close to 4k straight back down wind if I measure them. This is what you should expect on a wing also. So a 10 k loop has about 4 k of downwind for me. In wild wind variations or crazy sea state this can be less of course on both pw and wing. In time it is conservatively 18 minutes riding upwind for about 12 minutes surfing back. Good enough to sell my sup.

i don't think the hybrids will improve these angles by more than 2 or 3 degrees but they will hopefully offer those angles consistently over the big wind variations that come with wind over 20 knots.

Unfortunately these sorts of calculations go completely out the window here in Perth due to the seaweed factor. Some days great totally clear can hammer upwind, some days upwinding is a real chore. What makes it worse is you never really know until you're out there. All us Perth foilers have our theories about seaweed but we can never properly predict it, plus it changes over the course of an afternoon. We do have a really active downwind scene though and easy logistics so generally much easier just to do a shuttle.

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Wingman WA said..

sir ROWDY said..

FranP said..
Hi all,
I'd like to open a thread to collect ideas, experiences, and hands-on mods for the amazing OZONE Pocket Rocket[/b], especially inspired by some of the Power Pack[/b] improvements-but also anything new you've tested or are thinking about.

Some starter ideas to kick things off:

-Shorter handle-bar ?
-Removing the attachment of the B-lines to the handle-bar, similar to the Power Pack approach - pros/cons?
-Adding an easy attach/detach leash point - cleaner, faster, and safer solutions?
-Modding A-lines for easier stashing. Less knots, less lines, grouped A lines ?
-Bridle simplification or rerouting ideas?
-Anything else you've tried or would like to test?

If you've already done a mod, it would be great if you could share: What you changed Why you did it What worked / what didn't Photos or sketches if possible Even half-baked ideas are welcome-often that's where the good stuff starts.

Looking forward to learning from the collective brain trust ??

Not trying to take away from this thread or the ideas (I think it's actually a good thread since I love modding things), but with all the points you listed you might want to try out the Naish Hatch.

Forget everything else, just get a frigate, they are the best because Hilly rides them, Well at least this month !!

Oh no do I sense a rift between the original battery bros

Maybe we can all just meet halfway and agree that 777 PT skin is the best

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Stumbleweed said..
Thanks for the detailed local breakdown. Are there many hazards of a marine biological nature to avoid?

shark-wise, nothing notable in last five years in the metro area - last two major attacks have been bull sharks in the river.

in 25 years of extensive time on the water I've seen two small hammerheads and a tiger shark that was resident at hillary's, and had two interactions kitesurfing (a GW hit me from below and dented my board at secret harbour and a tiger that I hit at speed and snapped my board a fair way offshore at Scarborough). Both of those were around salmon spawning later in the year.

This has to be the most West Australian answer to that question ever. Sharks?? Nah not much of a problem hardly anything for 5 years ( forgets fatal shark attack at Port beach November 21 ). Ive been on the water 25 years and never had a problem other than the time a great white bumped me off my board and the other time I had a head on collision with a tiger shark

@ tumbleweed, yes sharks are definitely an issue in WA but it doesn't stop us. Just try not to stop and flap around for too long out deep. Definitely don't download the shark smart app as Baldy suggested it just says bloody sharks everywhere always

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kyrojoe said..
have the PTskin 5.4 and really love how it flies... EXCEPT if you manage to catch a leading edge tip roughly on the surface and force a half liter of water into the tiny last closed cell!

Even with tons of wind in the rest of the wing... i have a hard time getting the water to DRAIN drain from the tiny mesh screen in the bottom the the last closed cell! most seems they should have put that mesh "drain" Material along the bottom of the last TWO cells maybe??

i love the light material of this thing but it's amazing how half a liter of water can make it almost totally "stuck" on whichever side of the wind window that you filled with H2O! ????

I've recently got the 5.4 m PT skin and after a few sessions am noticing some leading edge collapse when the wind picks up and it is well powered up.I have my hand quite far forward on the bar to help depower it , so not sure if this is contributing to the behaviour - anyone else seen this or is there a technique to keeping the canopy stable ?No such behaviour with my 3m PT skin - which is a great to fly when the wind is nuking.

I have had the leading collapsing a bit on the 5.4m when flying it on the beach in strong winds. I haven't really had it when riding though and have had it out in up to about 20knots

The solution to the leading edge collapsing is to maintain a bit more even line pressure. Edge harder to draw the wing forward in the window which will help to depower it. Of course if you're too overpowered to hold the edge you might need to change down.

Really liking the sounds of this, a hybrid could potentially be the best of both worlds.keeping the low end grunt but really extending the top end. The claim here is a 30% increase on top end without decreasing low end. That's a big claim. The PT skins already have good range extending that top end could be next level. Coming from kitesurfing I am really looking for that kite like performance from a parawing. I am used to riding 5, 6 or 7 in winds over 30 knots, I kinda feel like parawings should be able to hold that kind of top end as well. Not saying I'd use that size pwing in those winds but having really good top end, especially in a 4m size would be very useful to me. I have been thinking of upgrading my 4.2 Dwing, might have to wait till these have dropped before I do.

Anyway here's the FB link

www.facebook.com/share/1DUUGwKkiW/?mibextid=wwXIfr

and here's the spiel from 777
For the first time, we're sharing the very first images of our upcoming P.T. Hybrid, set to see the light of day in January.

Built on our extensive experience with both double-skin and single-skin parawing designs, the P.T. Hybrid brings the best of both worlds into one wing. Featuring the same short line length as the P.T. Skin and a 50% double-surface leading edge, it delivers outstanding upwind performance without sacrificing ease of use.

Thanks to lightweight materials and a carefully balanced structure, the wing packs down compactly, redeploys effortlessly, and most importantly, gets you upwind with a stable, controlled, and confidence-inspiring ride. Compared to our single-skin designs, the wind top end is increased by approximately 30%, without sacrificing the low end that you rely on to get going.

The full release is planned for January, with the website and complete technical details going live at the same time.

2026 is shaping up to be the year where performance is finally tamed into a parawing that's powerful, efficient, and easy to handle.

?? Follow us and stay tuned as we reveal more details, specs, and on-water footage in the coming weeks. #triplesevenkites #parawing