I'm paying attention. I'm pretty interested in trying out an Omen Flux 48L.

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FoilWays said..
I'm paying attention. I'm pretty interested in trying out an Omen Flux 48L.

I just picked up an Omen Flux 48l and have to say I am quite impressed. It actually gets on foil easier then my Armstrong 60l FG which it will be replacing. I weigh 200lbs(91kg) so it's definitely a true sinker compared to the Armstrong but the shape makes it rise to the surface and take off like spitting a watermellon seed. Really impressed by the take off.
Only one session so far but it was a true test starting off in very light wind 8-12, then filled in to solid 10-15. I was using my trusty 8m CWC but once it filled in I could have easily been on my 5.5. Addicted to the narrow width already, not sure I could go back to a wider board. Feels like you can lay way out in your carves, super addictive. And the shape bounces off the surface like a skipping stone on touchdown.

We have a solid 20mph side shore on tap today, looking forward to checking out the Flux in solid conditions with my P125. Should be a pretty sick combo.

This is going to be a 1 board quiver for me for prone and wing. Stoked. Only Asterisks for me are the Appletree construction is heavier than EPS which is well known. But I honestly don't notice with the foil attached. And I wish they had centerline inserts. I hardly ever put on straps though so that's not a big deal and I suspect I will find a comfortable setup with all the inserts they provide.

Hey ArthurAlston, thanks for the kind words! Shoot me an email greg@omenfoils.com and we'll see if there is someone nearby with a 60L you can take out for a rip

FranP, haha - striking right for our supple alabaster underbelly! As a company run by an engineer, marketing is not our strong suit and probably never will be. Marketing is also very expensive and time consuming and we are focusing both on making, continuously refining, and delivering the best possible gear. So far, word of mouth and grassroots movement have led to great and manageable growth for us. We truly believe we are making a better product for our niche and it seems people who try the gear agree and are happy to tell anyone who will listen! That being said, if you have any thoughts on how to better increase the outreach of content like Mac's board awards I'd love to hear it! Haven't engaged much with the message boards as I don't want to spam what should be a place for community discussion with promotional material. Also interested to hear yours and others feedback on how the website could be improved. It's something we did ourselves so easy to make tweaks if there are elements to change that would better showcase the "magic" of our gear.

5L5, right now it's just ordering through the website for Aus. That being said we charge a flat rate for shipping so it's no more expensive there than anywhere else. Due to high demand and limited production capacity each month since the boards are make by hand in Appletree's facility we are shipping all our web sales direct from Portugal.

Likewise FoilWays, shoot me an email and depending where you are I'll see what I can setup.

Stoked you are loving the board from the first session CFLKiter! It will only get better :) I think the fact that our boards can be downsized so much from anything else available has been the core of what has driven interest. Buttery touchdown recovery, rail clearance, and the response + longevity provided by the Appletree construction are all key features as well but "doing more with less" is at the core of everything we are trying to achieve with Omen and is seeming to really resonate with like minded folks/early adopters of our foil system.

On the inserts having a centralized track is something that is often requested, however I'm a strong believer in the offset stance for foiling for a number of reasons. We also often get asked for boards without inserts so keeping the inserts very minimal has been a good balance between keeping the boards very light without removing the option for straps. A point to note, is that only one "centreline straps" advocate who has bought our board has ever stuck to their guns, the rest have happily transitioned to an offset stance after their first session trying it out :)

Took the 48l out yesterday with my p125 on a solid 20 knt side shore downwind run and can confirm I continue to be stoked on this board. It takes off so easy that I will be downsizing wings sooner than my previous Armstrong 60l FG. The narrow outline allows for super hard carves on the wave face. And the board just skips off the surface on touch down. Stoked.
Forgot to mention that I was doing wing drops on the first light wind day on the Flux and I was really impressed with how well it pumps. It's the closest I have come to pumping back out to the wing after my wave. Very connected feel to the foil.
looking forward to getting some prone sessions in soon.

Thanks for the great video about stab shims. The best so far in youtube !!

I'm 95kg looking for a one board quiver to use most days- considering the 70L Flux or maybe 60L as my first true sinker being on 5-0/90L/25w board now. I'm typically in pretty rough conditions, lots of water moving and want performance in bumps/waves/DW with easy no sweat pop ups. Think the Omen website recommends 60% body weight, but I'm nervous w/ no demo opportunities biting off more than I can chew in one bite going to the 60L, and not sure if the extra 10L would help or hurt me.

Re shims. It really is remarkable what a difference this can make. After riding a foil for a month and being happy but not always feeling completely comfortable/dialed in w/ too much back foot needed, I spontaneously threw on a .5 degree + shim and felt like I had a new more balanced foil. It really is worth taking the time to dial in your equipment, but once I can see water, I just want to go- my attention span to mess with it disappears.

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Holoholo said..
I'm 95kg looking for a one board quiver to use most days- considering the 70L Flux or maybe 60L as my first true sinker being on 5-0/90L/25w board now. I'm typically in pretty rough conditions, lots of water moving and want performance in bumps/waves/DW with easy no sweat pop ups. Think the Omen website recommends 60% body weight, but I'm nervous w/ no demo opportunities biting off more than I can chew in one bite going to the 60L, and not sure if the extra 10L would help or hurt me.

Re shims. It really is remarkable what a difference this can make. After riding a foil for a month and being happy but not always feeling completely comfortable/dialed in w/ too much back foot needed, I spontaneously threw on a .5 degree + shim and felt like I had a new more balanced foil. It really is worth taking the time to dial in your equipment, but once I can see water, I just want to go- my attention span to mess with it disappears.

i'm about 88kgs and use the 72L Omen board. it sinks a bit, but my previous board was 75L (F-one Rocket board) so it wasn't much of a change. the side to side stability is worse on the Omen, but you get used to it fast. i'm often in rough ocean waters and it isn't much more trouble than my Rocket was. I believe Tucker at Mac Kites uses the Omen 60L and is about your weight. A buddy of mine also uses the 60L but he's about 80 kgs and is much better than me. Overall, I suspect you'd have easier pop-ups with the 72L than with the 60L, but it's a matter of your skill level and how much you want to push it.

I weigh 85kg and I have found the 48l easier to start then my 60l Armstrong FG. Slightly more technical as you have to know how to get it to the surface but this shape makes that easy. Once on the surface it accelerates onto foil way easier then the old bar of soap shape that the FG was rocking. It's really quite shocking how little pumping is required to get into foil, pretty much sheet in and go.
If you want a smaller board and are willing to take the time to figure out the technique you can definitely go a size smaller with the flux then you think. It's not hard if you have already mastered the stinkbug start.

I would like to try the 40l as I think I could probably start it in similar light wind to the 48.

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If you want a smaller board and are willing to take the time to figure out the technique you can definitely go a size smaller with the flux then you think. It's not hard if you have already mastered the stinkbug start.

I tried an 80L Flux for about 30 minutes on a big water day, blowing 30-40. Didn't feel any different than my 5-0/90L board volume wise, adjusting to narrow width was a little tricky first few getups, but after a false start or 2, I managed it decent enough immediately. Once up, loved how the board rode, was surprised that a longer board felt way more responsive than my 5-0/90L.

I have the 60L and the 84L. I'm 100kg and more with wetsuit and gear. I can get the 60L up in flattish waters and 20 knot gusts. It takes a few sessions to get comfortable. It is tippy at my advanced weight. Once the puff hits and the board starts skimming, I stand up and I'm up on foil almost instantly. It's awesome while up. But if the wind drops, I have to swim back or ride rodeo style at 0.1 mph. The 84L is much easier for me to slog on my knees and gets up in lighter winds. I still can't slog while standing though unless there is enough wind but at that point the thing gets up so easily on foil that there's no time to slog. Great, fun boards.

Thx Jake, that's all helpful.

Correction, I weigh 90 kg not 85.
The 48l Flux is going to be my one board quiver. That's not something I thought I would be saying a year ago. But this board easily gets going in the same conditions as my previous 60l Armstrong FG. And it does so with less effort.
Some tips that allow this board to work in the lighter conditions. It's definitely a sinker at my weight. In light wind it can be difficult to get it to the surface while on my knees. So an adjustment from my Armstrong 60l is I don't wait to stand until it's on the surface, I wait till I have a gust and feel tension in the wing. Then I get to my feet and pump more vertical at first to unweight the board and bring it to the surface. Once on the surface it normally takes off on its own, but if it's marginal switching to a normal pump cadence and making sure to drive that power forward with your feet(don't absorb the pump by bending your knees too much) and this board accelerates very quickly.
You have more power in the wing when standing so hanging out on your knees too long will make it harder to start when it's light. And the 48l has been very stable for me when under water in a sunken position. I still stink bug start, but I often get to my feet before the board is on the surface now.

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Holoholo said..
I'm 95kg looking for a one board quiver to use most days- considering the 70L Flux or maybe 60L as my first true sinker being on 5-0/90L/25w board now. I'm typically in pretty rough conditions, lots of water moving and want performance in bumps/waves/DW with easy no sweat pop ups. Think the Omen website recommends 60% body weight, but I'm nervous w/ no demo opportunities biting off more than I can chew in one bite going to the 60L, and not sure if the extra 10L would help or hurt me.

Re shims. It really is remarkable what a difference this can make. After riding a foil for a month and being happy but not always feeling completely comfortable/dialed in w/ too much back foot needed, I spontaneously threw on a .5 degree + shim and felt like I had a new more balanced foil. It really is worth taking the time to dial in your equipment, but once I can see water, I just want to go- my attention span to mess with it disappears.

Lots of great feedback and advice on hear from the community but I'll add my two cents. My recommendation of 60% bodyweight is generally for folks who want a two board quiver (with our 84L or a DW SUP as the other board), or alternatively are not chasing those 8 - 12 knot days. I suspect as our sport matures one board quivers like this will become more popular, not only as designs progress but most experience riders will focus on getting out on the "good days" rather than any day possible.

At your weight anything from the 60L up to the 84L would be a great one board quiver option. As stated by many riders here, each size has significantly better low end than the dimensions would otherwise indicate, but that being said the bigger boards will give you an edge when it's really light.

You should be able to get going on the 60L in around 15 knots assuming the rest of your gear is appropriate and good technique, as soon as the wind is above 18/20 it will actually be as easy if not easier than the larger sizes. Deciding between the 60L vs 72L really comes down to what conditions you have available to you and what days you're willing to pass up in order to have a higher performance board for the really good days. It is a tricky question which is why I often recommend two board quivers, but there is certainly an appeal to simplifying our equipment - something we've worked very had on enable with both our board and foil development!

Agreed on shimming on all accounts, the "out of the box" high performance tune of our foils is a feature that most folks have really appreciated.

Greg

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Holoholo said..
I'm 95kg looking for a one board quiver to use most days- considering the 70L Flux or maybe 60L as my first true sinker being on 5-0/90L/25w board now. I'm typically in pretty rough conditions, lots of water moving and want performance in bumps/waves/DW with easy no sweat pop ups. Think the Omen website recommends 60% body weight, but I'm nervous w/ no demo opportunities biting off more than I can chew in one bite going to the 60L, and not sure if the extra 10L would help or hurt me.

Re shims. It really is remarkable what a difference this can make. After riding a foil for a month and being happy but not always feeling completely comfortable/dialed in w/ too much back foot needed, I spontaneously threw on a .5 degree + shim and felt like I had a new more balanced foil. It really is worth taking the time to dial in your equipment, but once I can see water, I just want to go- my attention span to mess with it disappears.

Hololo I'm 98kg plus a 5mm wetsuit and the 72L is the fit for me. TBH I was shocked at how well it worked and I was previously 85-90L or bust(ed) lol. The 72L like all the Omen gear punches way above its wieght class-im constantly surprised. This pertains to the foils as well. I went from 1250 in surf(or bust(ed)) to the Operator 1050 without a hitch-Bizzare and awesome. Shoot me a pm if u have any questions.

No experience with the Flux, but have shaped one that's fairly similar a while back (45l, 5'0x20" and similar outline with the wide tail; not as aggressive rails and more nose rocker). Imo the impact of the wide tail on such a slightly longer board is overlooked. As soon as you get a bit of speed while kneeling, that tail starts to lift your board to the surface. I won't go back to pin tails any time soon on smaller boards. Don't know why other brands all go for pin tails with their new mid-lenghts.

Appreciated Greg, NicoDC, Martian, CFLKiter. With all the really great feedback- think I'm fairly settled on 72L.

"Buttery touchdown recovery, rail clearance, and the response + longevity provided by the Appletree construction are all key features"

I just got a 72 liter for my 6'7"/110kg body. Early days, but I can confirm this is not hyperbole. I am in love, and I can't wait for more days on it

Put some straps on the 48l Flux today. Can confirm the offset straps are fine. Had a fun session even guessed the mast and foot strap position on my first try. The Flux jumps and lands really nicely. Continue to be very happy with this board.
ps Greg, would still like to have the option for center line straps, but I am probably usually offset when strapless anyway so the adjustment was immediate.

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Put some straps on the 48l Flux today. Can confirm the offset straps are fine. Had a fun session even guessed the mast and foot strap position on my first try. The Flux jumps and lands really nicely. Continue to be very happy with this board.
ps Greg, would still like to have the option for center line straps, but I am probably usually offset when strapless anyway so the adjustment was immediate.

Stoked you're digging the offset! I do hear you on the centreline strap and it gets asked a fair bit. The reason I've held off is that I also get asked a fair bit for boards without strap inserts!

I think the current insert pattern is the best compromise, they are placed very conservatively for maximum weight savings but allow the offset stance that (at least in my opinion) is ideal for most foil disciplines. We could do two versions of the board but for now I tend to gravitate towards the more versatility given by the first option. Simple, highly effective, versatile, wave riding equipment is kind of our thing.

Will be interested to your experience if you go back and try centre strap after a dozen or so sessions on your Flux. I predict it will be similar to riding a flexible mast... you can get used to it but after spending time of a stiff mast its very had to go back! When I've tried a few really slim prototype boards that forced me into a narrow stance I found it quite uncomfortable compared to the "authority" of having a bit wider stance.

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CFLKiter said..
Put some straps on the 48l Flux today. Can confirm the offset straps are fine. Had a fun session even guessed the mast and foot strap position on my first try. The Flux jumps and lands really nicely. Continue to be very happy with this board.
ps Greg, would still like to have the option for center line straps, but I am probably usually offset when strapless anyway so the adjustment was immediate.

Stoked you're digging the offset! I do hear you on the centreline strap and it gets asked a fair bit. The reason I've held off is that I also get asked a fair bit for boards without strap inserts!

I think the current insert pattern is the best compromise, they are placed very conservatively for maximum weight savings but allow the offset stance that (at least in my opinion) is ideal for most foil disciplines. We could do two versions of the board but for now I tend to gravitate towards the more versatility given by the first option. Simple, highly effective, versatile, wave riding equipment is kind of our thing.

Will be interested to your experience if you go back and try centre strap after a dozen or so sessions on your Flux. I predict it will be similar to riding a flexible mast... you can get used to it but after spending time of a stiff mast its very had to go back! When I've tried a few really slim prototype boards that forced me into a narrow stance I found it quite uncomfortable compared to the "authority" of having a bit wider stance.

How do you ride switch foot & strapped with offset straps?

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CFLKiter said..
Put some straps on the 48l Flux today. Can confirm the offset straps are fine. Had a fun session even guessed the mast and foot strap position on my first try. The Flux jumps and lands really nicely. Continue to be very happy with this board.
ps Greg, would still like to have the option for center line straps, but I am probably usually offset when strapless anyway so the adjustment was immediate.

Stoked you're digging the offset! I do hear you on the centreline strap and it gets asked a fair bit. The reason I've held off is that I also get asked a fair bit for boards without strap inserts!

I think the current insert pattern is the best compromise, they are placed very conservatively for maximum weight savings but allow the offset stance that (at least in my opinion) is ideal for most foil disciplines. We could do two versions of the board but for now I tend to gravitate towards the more versatility given by the first option. Simple, highly effective, versatile, wave riding equipment is kind of our thing.

Will be interested to your experience if you go back and try centre strap after a dozen or so sessions on your Flux. I predict it will be similar to riding a flexible mast... you can get used to it but after spending time of a stiff mast its very had to go back! When I've tried a few really slim prototype boards that forced me into a narrow stance I found it quite uncomfortable compared to the "authority" of having a bit wider stance.

How do you ride switch foot & strapped with offset straps?

Strapless with the same offset stance :)

I'm having trouble understanding how these offset straps work. I can't find a single picture out there showing the Flux with the rear straps installed. Does it mean you need two rear straps side by side? Can someone please shed some light or post a pic?

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I'm having trouble understanding how these offset straps work. I can't find a single picture out there showing the Flux with the rear straps installed. Does it mean you need two rear straps side by side? Can someone please shed some light or post a pic?

One rear strap, either put it closer to the left or right rail depending on your stance. I never switch my feet so it's not much of an issue. If you switch your feet you would have to get used to opposite offset stances depending on if your switch or not. Probably not as bad as it sounds to be honest.
I guess you could also put two rear straps on and always keep your rear foot close to the rail.
I mostly ride strapless though and only put on straps if I feel the need to jump.

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Kitz92 said..
I'm having trouble understanding how these offset straps work. I can't find a single picture out there showing the Flux with the rear straps installed. Does it mean you need two rear straps side by side? Can someone please shed some light or post a pic?

One rear strap, either put it closer to the left or right rail depending on your stance. I never switch my feet so it's not much of an issue. If you switch your feet you would have to get used to opposite offset stances depending on if your switch or not. Probably not as bad as it sounds to be honest.
I guess you could also put two rear straps on and always keep your rear foot close to the rail.
I mostly ride strapless though and only put on straps if I feel the need to jump.

Thanks for the clarification. Definitely a deal breaker for me. I can't imagine anyone who switches feet wanting an asymmetrical setup like that.

I'm a foot-switching, winger and I currently ride the 48L Flux so I thought I'd chime in on my experience.

I was previously riding a board with a proper front v-strap setup and a centerline rear strap. This setup (Axis Froth) has my front foot pointing forward as opposed to perpendicular to the board's centerline:



At over 24" wide, I got very comfortable with the footstrap orientation and swapping my feet.

For my first few sessions on the 48L Flux, I was a bit skeptical of the front footstrap orientation as well as the offset rear.


After a few sessions, I came to the conclusion that the offset rear is fine but that the front needed attention. I put the board away for a while and even contemplated selling but I decided not to (glad I didn't). I am fine to ride with my back foot out of the back strap when riding goofy (I'm regular) but I needed something for my front foot so I got creative.


I don't do airs riding goofy so the minimal strap works just fine. Footswapping on a 19.5" wide board takes a bit of practice but I'm at the point now where I have a pretty high success rate.

While the strap inserts may be a deal breaker for some, I was able to adapt and I'm glad I did as this board is great for riding waves and doing the occasional air.

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CFLKiter said..

Kitz92 said..
I'm having trouble understanding how these offset straps work. I can't find a single picture out there showing the Flux with the rear straps installed. Does it mean you need two rear straps side by side? Can someone please shed some light or post a pic?

One rear strap, either put it closer to the left or right rail depending on your stance. I never switch my feet so it's not much of an issue. If you switch your feet you would have to get used to opposite offset stances depending on if your switch or not. Probably not as bad as it sounds to be honest.
I guess you could also put two rear straps on and always keep your rear foot close to the rail.
I mostly ride strapless though and only put on straps if I feel the need to jump.

Thanks for the clarification. Definitely a deal breaker for me. I can't imagine anyone who switches feet wanting an asymmetrical setup like that.

Makes sense, we figured most folks riding the Flux strapped would only install them on their strong side and go strapless to get back upwind goofy so the inserts are placed with that in mind and not ideal for running strapped in both directions unless you get creative like Gneve. I recall Tucker of MacKite might actually run his with two foot hooks for jumping but I could be mistaken. Perhaps I need to reassess that opinion, If anyone wants a Flux with centreline inserts I can make that happen, it will just be a three month wait. If it proves popular maybe I'll admit defeat and make it a standard feature!

There is always the below option too, but that requires cutting into the deckpad and I understand that not too many folks would be keen to buy a brand new board only to modify it on day 1:

www.mackiteboarding.com/nsi-surface-mount-insert-plates-set-of-2/

Easy for us to ship a board without the deck pad installed if anyone wants to go this route.

Greg

New board day one...

Nice work! How much weight did it add?

I personally like the this setup. A centerline hole for the front strap back hole and offset in the rear.

This lets me get my front foot a little more over the center line, without having the straps too wide open which can lead to getting stuck.

With the stock setup I found when I shifted my weight to my front foot when dropping down a wave I was a little heavy on the heel side rail, and harder to set up a downwind turn. This feels just right. The back strap stock location was perfect for me

and would be a bit lighter if all the offset front strap holes weren't there.....


Depends a bit on the foil also. With a long high aspect foil more offset is required to get it roll into a a turn.

The Omen operator is really easy to roll into a turn so like the slightly more over the centerline stance for that foil.

and if you haven't tried the operator, you should :)