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steperniconi said..
which size is the kt?

7' 19" 100L

Any advice how to pack / fold that Flux? After several tests I came to the following solution:

1. Fold trailing edge at the end of the back handle to inside
2. Fold middle part of the leading edge at the beginning of the front handle to inside
3. Roll from both sides to the strut
4. Fold the package between the handles together

So the windows are not bend and it fits into the bag. Folding technique like NP Fly with handles to the outside did not work well (windows bent).

Any better ideas?

hopefully i will see / maybe demo the Flux at the weekend and will report - the only criticism i hear is mixed reports on the flagging / LE edge handle being too soft?(really shows you how peoples requirements and hence a wings adv/disadvantages are different - some people blasting on a lake or racing wont care ot notice this, others like me want to wave ride and flag out need a wing that is stable when holding onto leading edge)

Fold trailing edge at length of minibattens inside, then roll from outside to inside both sides and fold once to get it into the bag. Could upload photos, but not allowed until now ??

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usa22 said..
Fold trailing edge at length of minibattens inside, then roll from outside to inside both sides and fold once

Thanks, think I understand. Tried that as well and it was too long to fit in the bag (size 5m). Now I do it like you plus I fold the leading edge inwards a little bit before rolling.

Unfortunately, they only have instructions for the Wasp in the manual... a bit different with soft handles than with hard handles.

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NikOnFoil said..
Any advice how to pack / fold that Flux? After several tests I came to the following solution:

1. Fold trailing edge at the end of the back handle to inside
2. Fold middle part of the leading edge at the beginning of the front handle to inside
3. Roll from both sides to the strut
4. Fold the package between the handles together

So the windows are not bend and it fits into the bag. Folding technique like NP Fly with handles to the outside did not work well (windows bent).

Any better ideas?

The window material folds fine according to ozone and me. It's not the same material as some of the old windows of other brands. Both Armstrong and ozone were first to make windows out of foldable material.
my wasp v2's came folded and I continue to fold them for the last 2 years and they are still going great and will outlast the rest of the wing

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northy1 said..
hopefully i will see / maybe demo the Flux at the weekend and will report - the only criticism i hear is mixed reports on the flagging / LE edge handle being too soft?(really shows you how peoples requirements and hence a wings adv/disadvantages are different - some people blasting on a lake or racing wont care ot notice this, others like me want to wave ride and flag out need a wing that is stable when holding onto leading edge)

It's not super firm but it flys super stable off the front handle. I think you'll be pleasantly surprised.

Check out the New Slingshot Alulla wing. It has a hard front handle. Looks interesting.

I am considering these and can demo one, but I cant demo a full size range. Assuming I like them what quiver are people riding in these wings?

I need a quiver that will go from 13-30 knots. Right now I'm on a 5/4/3 quiver (OR Glides, which generally ride small), using the 5 starting at 13/14 knots up to 20 (this is my most used size), using the 4 starting at around 18 knots and using the 3 starting around 22-24 knots. Im 80kg and generally riding a 60L board, but also have an 80L for lighter conditions.

Should I go 5.7 / 4.3 / 3.6 (is that going to give me enough high end?), 5.7 / 4.3 / 3 (goldilocks, but missing my go-to 5m), or 5 / 4.3 / 3 (enough low end?).

Can anyone with experience with the OR Glides compare the two?

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Velocicraptor said..
I am considering these and can demo one, but I cant demo a full size range. Assuming I like them what quiver are people riding in these wings?

I need a quiver that will go from 13-30 knots. Right now I'm on a 5/4/3 quiver (OR Glides, which generally ride small), using the 5 starting at 13/14 knots up to 20 (this is my most used size), using the 4 starting at around 18 knots and using the 3 starting around 22-24 knots. Im 80kg and generally riding a 60L board, but also have an 80L for lighter conditions.

Should I go 5.7 / 4.3 / 3.6 (is that going to give me enough high end?), 5.7 / 4.3 / 3 (goldilocks, but missing my go-to 5m), or 5 / 4.3 / 3 (enough low end?).

Can anyone with experience with the OR Glides compare the two?

They have really good range - both low and top. You could easily replace your 5/4/3 OR quiver with 5/3.6

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NikOnFoil said..
Any advice how to pack / fold that Flux? After several tests I came to the following solution:

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Any better ideas?

This video shows a Flux unboxing and unrolling the wing at the 40 second mark. It looks like the bag is fairly long and narrow to accomodate the wing in the manner shown. That's a good thing for me, I hate sloppy fitting bags.

I'm not a fan of the basic Boston valves they've chosen or the lack of one pump. The pump hose uses a simple taper adapter that you push/twist into the valve. When you're pushing the adapter in, the valve and bladder get pushed down hard on the ground (or into your hand) and that can damage the bladder. Far better are the Airlock 2 valves where you simply attach the end of the hose to the valve with no adapter needed.

I like one pump combined with a strut valve. It gives you more options and is robust. I have had a few leaking bladders for various reasons (peeling valves, improperly closed cap) where the leading edge has gone soft. Simply opening the strut clip equalises the pressure and makes the wing stiff enough to get going and ride back to the beach.

At the moment the North Mode Pro is leading in my consideration for new wings. Airlock 2 valves on strut and LE and one pump. Long forward handle for one-handed wave riding. Possibly fancier fabrics. $300-500 cheaper depending on size. It would be good to see a head to head comparison of performance and durability.

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Velocicraptor said..
I am considering these and can demo one, but I cant demo a full size range. Assuming I like them what quiver are people riding in these wings?

I need a quiver that will go from 13-30 knots. Right now I'm on a 5/4/3 quiver (OR Glides, which generally ride small), using the 5 starting at 13/14 knots up to 20 (this is my most used size), using the 4 starting at around 18 knots and using the 3 starting around 22-24 knots. Im 80kg and generally riding a 60L board, but also have an 80L for lighter conditions.

Should I go 5.7 / 4.3 / 3.6 (is that going to give me enough high end?), 5.7 / 4.3 / 3 (goldilocks, but missing my go-to 5m), or 5 / 4.3 / 3 (enough low end?).

Can anyone with experience with the OR Glides compare the two?

They have really good range - both low and top. You could easily replace your 5/4/3 OR quiver with 5/3.6

That's my experience as well. 5/3.6 could cover me from 12-35 at 90kg wet on Omen 1050 foil/ Flux 72L sinker.
Opted for the New OR AA on the 5M for its advantage on the low end (10-20) and the potential longer life expectancy.
The 3.6 would be a the work horse for 15-35. it could replace a 4M/3M OR glide A.

The new OR AA 5M flags better and has a better pistol grip and better low end but on most flight characteristics the Flux would be my preferred wing.

I could draw more parallels between the OR AA and North Mode but on flight characteristics the Flux has the edge on
both for my needs.

I do like the option to equalize pressure between strut and leading edge on the North in case of lost pressure on either.
It saved me many sessions when I had a pinhole and I was too lazy to fix it. The one handed riding is obviously
appealing for many though I now prefer the pistol grip. I can ride one handed using the harness line though I hardly
ever find myself doing so.

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burchas said..

BigZ said..

Velocicraptor said..
I am considering these and can demo one, but I cant demo a full size range. Assuming I like them what quiver are people riding in these wings?

I need a quiver that will go from 13-30 knots. Right now I'm on a 5/4/3 quiver (OR Glides, which generally ride small), using the 5 starting at 13/14 knots up to 20 (this is my most used size), using the 4 starting at around 18 knots and using the 3 starting around 22-24 knots. Im 80kg and generally riding a 60L board, but also have an 80L for lighter conditions.

Should I go 5.7 / 4.3 / 3.6 (is that going to give me enough high end?), 5.7 / 4.3 / 3 (goldilocks, but missing my go-to 5m), or 5 / 4.3 / 3 (enough low end?).

Can anyone with experience with the OR Glides compare the two?

They have really good range - both low and top. You could easily replace your 5/4/3 OR quiver with 5/3.6

That's my experience as well. 5/3.6 could cover me from 12-35 at 90kg wet on Omen 1050 foil/ Flux 72L sinker.
Opted for the New OR AA on the 5M for its advantage on the low end (10-20) and the potential longer life expectancy.
The 3.6 would be a the work horse for 15-35. it could replace a 4M/3M OR glide A.

The new OR AA 5M flags better and has a better pistol grip and better low end but on most flight characteristics the Flux would be my preferred wing.

I could draw more parallels between the OR AA and North Mode but on flight characteristics the Flux has the edge on
both for my needs.

I do like the option to equalize pressure between strut and leading edge on the North in case of lost pressure on either.
It saved me many sessions when I had a pinhole and I was too lazy to fix it. The one handed riding is obviously
appealing for many though I now prefer the pistol grip. I can ride one handed using the harness line though I hardly
ever find myself doing so.

Thank you! I'm curious to hear the parallels between the OR and the North as well and pros and cons between those and the Flux. I'm considering all of these.
I have a lot of familiarity with the A series and love how it rides. Feels very small for its size (in a good way). Very nimble, flags like a dream. Lacks loft in jumps and a lacks low end (although I've figured it out so it's not such an issue) and A bit twitchy in gusts. Looking for all of the good and none of the compromise!

Flux, SPS, Strike and North Mode are wings I have narrowed my search down to as well.

Some good info here:



More info from others appreciated.

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jrc22ski said..
Flux, SPS, Strike and North Mode are wings I have narrowed my search down to as well.

Some good info here:

More info from others appreciated.

Armstrong "XPS" not "SPS"...

Some friends and I ordered Flux V1 in 5.7 and 5.0.

Hope to get on them Sunday and will report on how they go...

I am considering 5,7 & 4,3 to replace my Units v3 6,5/5,5 Dlab/4,5/3,5
I am around 110kg / 240lbs using Mikes Lab foils (small needing speed to get going)
70% of my riding is 5,5 and 25% is 4,5 so want to have a 2 wing quiver. The wing I would use in 15-22 knots is the most used.
I wonder how they compare, especially the low end.
I had the opportunity to try the 4,6 back to back with the Unit 4,5 but on the sand using a speedsail.
I found the Unit had a bit more grunt to get to speed after a tack for instance.

Could anybody compare them especially how they help getting to speed for a heavier riders

tx

I've just got and used a flux 5 & 4.3.

I decided I didn't need smaller than 4.3 since I found I could hold the 5 in 20+ knots with ease.

I used both at speed week in Weymouth last week in up to 30 knots of wind. The 4.3 never felt too big.

They have an amazing forward pull and are incredibly stable in gusty conditions.

I haven't yet tried them in really low wind (but have a Takuma RS 6.1 anyway).

They are super well built. Much more rigid than previous Ozone wings. The handles are perfectly positioned and easy to use.

First session on my Flux 5m today in gusty moderate to high winds (averaging low 20's with gusts to high 20's MPH).

Considerably less low end grunt compared to my older wings. Higher cadence pump worked well to get up on foil.

Well overpowered in the gusts and the 5m handled it well. Flagged well and up wind performance impressive.

Another go on the 3m Flux. Love this wing.
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I've been using F-One Swings since I started in 2021. I was all set to get new Swing V3 wings but they are still not in stock (in UK). I'm now looking at other options and the Flux caught my eye. All reviews seem very positive but for someone coming from a Swing (easy to use; good low end; light; soft handles), do you think the Flux is too different and I should seek something more "surfy" instead? Cheers

I (92 kgs) also have a 5.7 and 4.3 Flux, before 6, 5 and 4 WASP V2
The passive grunt of the 5.7 is lesser then with the WASP 6, but with pumping you could easily compensate for that.
The Flux has a nice flex and rebound und if you find the right rythm, usually with a higher cadence pumping, the wing loads up itself and develops a lot of grunt and also feels a little more reactive then the stiffer feeling Units, imo.

Have been on 6m cwc v2, 5m and 4m swing v3 and strike v2 3m. Swapped my 6m cwc for 5.7m flux, which is awesome really great wing.

So my question at 80kg is, do you think I could go down to the 4.3m to go with my 5.7m??? If I could I thin my quiver out. I'm on 80 and 60l boards.

Mike

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Mikedubs said..
Have been on 6m cwc v2, 5m and 4m swing v3 and strike v2 3m. Swapped my 6m cwc for 5.7m flux, which is awesome really great wing.

So my question at 80kg is, do you think I could go down to the 4.3m to go with my 5.7m??? If I could I thin my quiver out. I'm on 80 and 60l boards.

Mike

easily! The high end of the Fluxes is amazing and once you figure it out how to pump it correctly, in comparison to the f-ones, the low end will be amazing, too.

Ozone wings are always good. I have 2 Waps V2 and a Fly v1 wing. Other brands I used are F-one (I have Strike CWC v1) and Cabrinha Mantis. I prefer Ozone wings.It is a few companies that also make paragliders and wingsuits So they have expertise in advanced aerodynamics.

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Mikedubs said..
Have been on 6m cwc v2, 5m and 4m swing v3 and strike v2 3m. Swapped my 6m cwc for 5.7m flux, which is awesome really great wing.

So my question at 80kg is, do you think I could go down to the 4.3m to go with my 5.7m??? If I could I thin my quiver out. I'm on 80 and 60l boards.

Mike

Easily.I opted for 5+4.3 only because that are the conditions I have 90% of my time, but I could also go for 5+3.6 or 5.7+4.3

Thanks guys

How has the canopy material improved on the Flux? Is it any less susceptible to puncture or bagging than ripstop? Does it absorb water? Can anyone compare it to the Mode Pro canopy material?

Just got the 5.7 and it seems big for the size. I've never used a Boston valve like this before and maybe I'm using the wrong adapter. Is there anything that holds the hose tip into the valve (like every other valve I've used)? Or do you just press it in? When I pump, the air pressure wants to push the hose tip out of the valve, which doesn't make much sense. If it sounds like I'm using the wrong adapter, can someone please link me to the right one?

Maybe I'm missing something but if this valve is as bad as I think it is, has anyone found another valve cap that fits the threads and uses a different (more conventional) hose tip - one that holds the hose and valve together? Seems like an easy fix without gluing a whole new valve in here.


Otherwise seems like a big and powerful wing. I'm going to compare the size to my Ocean Rodeo 5m, but this seems a LOT bigger.

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Otherwise seems like a big and powerful wing. I'm going to compare the size to my Ocean Rodeo 5m, but this seems a LOT bigger.

My 5m Flux was AT LEAST a half meter bigger than an Ocean Rodeo 5m laid directly on top of it - so the 5.7 will be a LOT bigger for sure.

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AGK7 said..

Velocicraptor said..


Otherwise seems like a big and powerful wing. I'm going to compare the size to my Ocean Rodeo 5m, but this seems a LOT bigger.

My 5m Flux was AT LEAST a half meter bigger than an Ocean Rodeo 5m laid directly on top of it - so the 5.7 will be a LOT bigger for sure.

I'm actually fine with the size. The spacing will work well as a lightwind wing if I keep my OR 5 or I can replace that with a flux 4.3 (which seems like it would be similar in size to the OR 5).
Regarding the Boston valve, I found this adapter that should solve my issues. kiteboarding.com/proddetail.asp?prod=pks_threaded_boston_screw_valve_pump_adapter