This wing looks very interesting -- the guy demoing it is an amazing foiler/winger.

www.instagram.com/tv/B_paA2liZXt/?igshid=ntroaicj26lq

I have a 6m and 4m Echo on order. Hopefully a 3.3m as well. Riding a boom wing is definitely a personal preference thing over handles. I learned on V1 Duotone wings and just got used to having a boom. I should mention it's not strictly a boom versus handle comparison. Duotones (even the Echo) have a bit more of that "V" shape compared to a Swing or S25. So not quite as stable when luffed (which everyone knows). Supposedly the Echos are much more luffable (a little less dihedral). BUT.....that v shape means they also roll from side to side during a tack much easier than the flatter wings which often need a helping push. I owned a 5.3 S25 for a brief period. It's an awesome wing, but tacking it, especially when fully powered, was never as easy for me as the Duotone.
Klaas is also on the new Fanatic high aspect ratio foil wing in that video. Very "glidey" wing and will be available in bigger sizes than one-size-fits-all approach of the Axis 1010.

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Klaas is also on the new Fanatic high aspect ratio foil wing in that video. Very "glidey" wing and will be available in bigger sizes than one-size-fits-all approach of the Axis 1010.

yes, my biggest takeaway from that clip of Klaas was how much glide the foil had... just going through transitions and seemingly never having to pump the wing to get back up to speed. Of course that could just be his skill.

I have a Sky Wing 5'4" and HA 1750 and new Echos on order.... if I don't ride like Klaas when I get them, I'm going to be a little disappointed.

Here's some footage of both the new Echo and Sky Wing board.

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Dspace said..
Klaas is also on the new Fanatic high aspect ratio foil wing in that video. Very "glidey" wing and will be available in bigger sizes than one-size-fits-all approach of the Axis 1010.

yes, my biggest takeaway from that clip of Klaas was how much glide the foil had... just going through transitions and seemingly never having to pump the wing to get back up to speed. Of course that could just be his skill.

I have a Sky Wing 5'4" and HA 1750 and new Echos on order.... if I don't ride like Klaas when I get them, I'm going to be a little disappointed.

Well, trying to live up to Klaas' skill level might be a tall order for any mere mortal! He said he was on the 1250 sq cm Fanatic HA foil in that one video clip describing the new Echo's.

Sounds like great gear you're getting. I didn't think the new Fanatic high aspect wings were even available yet. Do you know when you are getting yours?

My favorite foil wing so far has been my Gong XL pro., despite the Al mast that isn't quite stiff enough. I would love to try the new Fanatic foil wings or the new Gong Veloce wings. My tacks don't look anywhere near as smooth as Klaas.....

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sunsetsailboards said..

Dspace said..
Klaas is also on the new Fanatic high aspect ratio foil wing in that video. Very "glidey" wing and will be available in bigger sizes than one-size-fits-all approach of the Axis 1010.

yes, my biggest takeaway from that clip of Klaas was how much glide the foil had... just going through transitions and seemingly never having to pump the wing to get back up to speed. Of course that could just be his skill.

I have a Sky Wing 5'4" and HA 1750 and new Echos on order.... if I don't ride like Klaas when I get them, I'm going to be a little disappointed.

Well, trying to live up to Klaas' skill level might be a tall order for any mere mortal! He said he was on the 1250 sq cm Fanatic HA foil in that one video clip describing the new Echo's.

Sounds like great gear you're getting. I didn't think the new Fanatic high aspect wings were even available yet. Do you know when you are getting yours?

My favorite foil wing so far has been my Gong XL pro., despite the Al mast that isn't quite stiff enough. I would love to try the new Fanatic foil wings or the new Gong Veloce wings. My tacks don't look anywhere near as smooth as Klaas.....

good to know he is on the 1250. did he say that in the comments or something? I had assumed he was on something bigger, but he's a pretty light guy and rides foils in general, so I shouldn't be surprised. Now thinking I should probably be getting the 1500 set also

no, the HA foils are still stuck in Asia. Sky Wing Boards are apparently landing stateside next week or so

Yeah, he responded to a direct question about the foil he was using in that promotional video. He posted another short video using the 6m Echo and the 1750 sq cm HA Fanatic wing in really light wind

Got my 7qm Duotone Echo - just some detail photos if somebody is intereseted
I have not been on the water yet (board comes tomorrow). As beginner to foiling I will be falling into the water quite often in the next few weeks :)

First thing I noticed while rigging it up was that the boom made a dent in the leading edge (on the reinforced area), but then I looked closely at some of the videos, and it seems to be the same there. They could have made the curve a bit flatter for the longer boom - maybe that is yet to come for boom V3 :)



Boom has changed (a bit oval and the locking mechanism). I think the writing is more difficult to read (top=new).
And why don't the just print the overall length on it?
You have to work it out by adding both together.

There is a padding behind the leading edge handle

It is quite strange to handle a Wing of that size - at least in the garden :)
I have put some more pics on thewingforum.com

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Got my 7qm Duotone Echo - just some detail photos if somebody is intereseted
I have not been on the water yet (board comes tomorrow). As beginner to foiling I will be falling into the water quite often in the next few weeks :)

First thing I noticed while rigging it up was that the boom made a dent in the leading edge (on the reinforced area), but then I looked closely at some of the videos, and it seems to be the same there. They could have made the curve a bit flatter for the longer boom - maybe that is yet to come for boom V3 :)



Boom has changed (a bit oval and the locking mechanism). I think the writing is more difficult to read (top=new).
And why don't the just print the overall length on it?
You have to work it out by adding both together.

There is a padding behind the leading edge handle

It is quite strange to handle a Wing of that size - at least in the garden :)
I have put some more pics on thewingforum.com

To boom or not to boom that is the question.

That boom to leading edge connection looks wonky for sure .
I'd be interested in the weight of that 7m.

No it is very stiff, maybe it is even stiffer when it digs into the leading edge.
I will see if I find some scales to weigh it.

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Got my 7qm Duotone Echo - just some detail photos if somebody is intereseted
I have not been on the water yet (board comes tomorrow). As beginner to foiling I will be falling into the water quite often in the next few weeks :)

First thing I noticed while rigging it up was that the boom made a dent in the leading edge (on the reinforced area), but then I looked closely at some of the videos, and it seems to be the same there. They could have made the curve a bit flatter for the longer boom - maybe that is yet to come for boom V3 :)



Boom has changed (a bit oval and the locking mechanism). I think the writing is more difficult to read (top=new).
And why don't the just print the overall length on it?
You have to work it out by adding both together.

There is a padding behind the leading edge handle

It is quite strange to handle a Wing of that size - at least in the garden :)
I have put some more pics on thewingforum.com

Hi knatti
Thx for the photos interested to hear your opinion on how they perform

I have an original 5m very happy with it,but interested in a larger light wind flat water wing with a 2450 foil.

Does new echo depower enough to use in surf? Just hold with no wind power while surf foiling

That seemingly poor match of the boom front end curve to the leading edge of the 7m (with the one end digging in a bit) does look a bit odd. The V1 Duotone's fit perfect. Those blue attachment lines loosen up over time resulting in a little boom wobble. You can just retighten them to get back to a stiff connection. Super easy to do.

If you want super light and ultra luffable stick with Fone, or consider the Duotone "Unit". I always luff my V1 Duotone by holding the front of the boom, not the front handle. I suspect I'll do the same with the Echo's. Despite any boom shortcomings I'll always prefer it over handles. And just watching Klaas you can see that big Echo's roll side to side easily during a tack. Just a benefit of that dihedral shape. Never liked tacking my S25 as much as the V1 Duotone. No right or wrong, just preferences....

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That seemingly poor match of the boom front end curve to the leading edge of the 7m (with the one end digging in a bit) does look a bit odd. The V1 Duotone's fit perfect. Those blue attachment lines loosen up over time resulting in a little boom wobble. You can just retighten them to get back to a stiff connection. Super easy to do.

If you want super light and ultra luffable stick with Fone, or consider the Duotone "Unit". I always luff my V1 Duotone by holding the front of the boom, not the front handle. I suspect I'll do the same with the Echo's. Despite any boom shortcomings I'll always prefer it over handles. And just watching Klaas you can see that big Echo's roll side to side easily during a tack. Just a benefit of that dihedral shape. Never liked tacking my S25 as much as the V1 Duotone. No right or wrong, just preferences....

You mentioned you are getting a 4m and a 6m, what wind ranges do you expect those would be good for? I'm about 92kg, if I wanted to buy one wing for about 15-18 knots, what size should I get? My foil is a Slingshot 76.

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Dspace said..
That seemingly poor match of the boom front end curve to the leading edge of the 7m (with the one end digging in a bit) does look a bit odd. The V1 Duotone's fit perfect. Those blue attachment lines loosen up over time resulting in a little boom wobble. You can just retighten them to get back to a stiff connection. Super easy to do.

If you want super light and ultra luffable stick with Fone, or consider the Duotone "Unit". I always luff my V1 Duotone by holding the front of the boom, not the front handle. I suspect I'll do the same with the Echo's. Despite any boom shortcomings I'll always prefer it over handles. And just watching Klaas you can see that big Echo's roll side to side easily during a tack. Just a benefit of that dihedral shape. Never liked tacking my S25 as much as the V1 Duotone. No right or wrong, just preferences....

You mentioned you are getting a 4m and a 6m, what wind ranges do you expect those would be good for? I'm about 92kg, if I wanted to buy one wing for about 15-18 knots, what size should I get? My foil is a Slingshot 76.

IMO.. go for the 6m

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Dspace said..
That seemingly poor match of the boom front end curve to the leading edge of the 7m (with the one end digging in a bit) does look a bit odd. The V1 Duotone's fit perfect. Those blue attachment lines loosen up over time resulting in a little boom wobble. You can just retighten them to get back to a stiff connection. Super easy to do.

If you want super light and ultra luffable stick with Fone, or consider the Duotone "Unit". I always luff my V1 Duotone by holding the front of the boom, not the front handle. I suspect I'll do the same with the Echo's. Despite any boom shortcomings I'll always prefer it over handles. And just watching Klaas you can see that big Echo's roll side to side easily during a tack. Just a benefit of that dihedral shape. Never liked tacking my S25 as much as the V1 Duotone. No right or wrong, just preferences....

You mentioned you are getting a 4m and a 6m, what wind ranges do you expect those would be good for? I'm about 92kg, if I wanted to buy one wing for about 15-18 knots, what size should I get? My foil is a Slingshot 76.

Hoping the 6m will work for me in gusts up to 16-17 knots, and the 4m will work in lulls down to 12-13 knots (I'm 78 kg). We'll see if that ends up being enough overlap for typical conditions where I live (Outer Banks, NC). Even if a 7m could get me a couple of knots lower wind speed, I don't think I'd have much fun winging at those wind speeds. My current 5 and 4m Duotones feel too close in size, so 6m was the choice

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Got my 7qm Duotone Echo - just some detail photos if somebody is intereseted
I have not been on the water yet (board comes tomorrow). As beginner to foiling I will be falling into the water quite often in the next few weeks :)

First thing I noticed while rigging it up was that the boom made a dent in the leading edge (on the reinforced area), but then I looked closely at some of the videos, and it seems to be the same there. They could have made the curve a bit flatter for the longer boom - maybe that is yet to come for boom V3 :)



Boom has changed (a bit oval and the locking mechanism). I think the writing is more difficult to read (top=new).
And why don't the just print the overall length on it?
You have to work it out by adding both together.

There is a padding behind the leading edge handle

It is quite strange to handle a Wing of that size - at least in the garden :)
I have put some more pics on thewingforum.com

Hi knatti
Just received my 7m Duotone Echo and had the exact same issue where the curved bit of the boom pushes into the leading edge tube. I contacted the guy I bought it from, and he contacted the Duotone dealer, and he said that it's fine - when you pump it up to 6psi the indent should be pushed out due to the pressure. I'm hesitant to pump it up that much though as I had a Gong wing explode on me once. How have you found your 7m?

Thanks Dommo49
nice to hear, I did not have any problems using the wing yet.
Only after the session when I unscrew the valve cap some air escapes, but the wing stays hard so I don't think it matters much.
And I have to add a bit of rope to the leash, as it is too short to get around the wing - I always remember that wehen I am in the water on the wrong side of the wing :)

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Thanks Dommo49
nice to hear, I did not have any problems using the wing yet.
Only after the session when I unscrew the valve cap some air escapes, but the wing stays hard so I don't think it matters much.
And I have to add a bit of rope to the leash, as it is too short to get around the wing - I always remember that wehen I am in the water on the wrong side of the wing :)

I used the Duotone Echo 7m today for the first time. I pumped it up as hard as a dared - stopping when a finger flick gave a 'ping' sound, like I used to judge my kite's pressure back in the day before pumps had pressure gauges. The pressure gauge on my pump (not a duotone pump) said 5psi. There was still a slight indent from the curved part of the boom.
The 7m behaved perfectly. I can definitely say it is the BEST wing I have ever used (i have used Gong wing plus 7m, f-one 5m, Naish s25 5.3 & Takuma wing ride 4m). So user friendly, so much power but so easy to handle. The boom is AWESOME - infinite hand positions makes it so easy, you don't ever have to look where your hands are going. The best part about it is how light and maneuverable it is during transitions - the boom and the shape of the wing meant it flipped, twisted or rolled to exactly where I wanted it, effortlessly - even one handed a lot of the time. Such a good wing. I loved it instantly. Can't wait for the 5m to arrive so I can do a side by side test against the Naish s25 5.3m

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knatti said..
Thanks Dommo49
nice to hear, I did not have any problems using the wing yet.
Only after the session when I unscrew the valve cap some air escapes, but the wing stays hard so I don't think it matters much.
And I have to add a bit of rope to the leash, as it is too short to get around the wing - I always remember that wehen I am in the water on the wrong side of the wing :)

I used the Duotone Echo 7m today for the first time. I pumped it up as hard as a dared - stopping when a finger flick gave a 'ping' sound, like I used to judge my kite's pressure back in the day before pumps had pressure gauges. The pressure gauge on my pump (not a duotone pump) said 5psi. There was still a slight indent from the curved part of the boom.
The 7m behaved perfectly. I can definitely say it is the BEST wing I have ever used (i have used Gong wing plus 7m, f-one 5m, Naish s25 5.3 & Takuma wing ride 4m). So user friendly, so much power but so easy to handle. The boom is AWESOME - infinite hand positions makes it so easy, you don't ever have to look where your hands are going. The best part about it is how light and maneuverable it is during transitions - the boom and the shape of the wing meant it flipped, twisted or rolled to exactly where I wanted it, effortlessly - even one handed a lot of the time. Such a good wing. I loved it instantly. Can't wait for the 5m to arrive so I can do a side by side test against the Naish s25 5.3m

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Dommo, how did you find tacking it?

I just spent the first 2 hours on my 6m Echo as well. Great wing! I've spent 80% of my winging time using the original 4m Duotone, so the 6m was definitely an adjustment, but I think going from 4 to 6m would be a big change for any brand. I thought I would jump from a 6 to a 4 m, but decided to go all in and got the 5m as well. So 6,5,4, and 3.3 in the quiver. No interest in the 7m at my 77kg weight.

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knatti said..
Thanks Dommo49
nice to hear, I did not have any problems using the wing yet.
Only after the session when I unscrew the valve cap some air escapes, but the wing stays hard so I don't think it matters much.
And I have to add a bit of rope to the leash, as it is too short to get around the wing - I always remember that wehen I am in the water on the wrong side of the wing :)

I used the Duotone Echo 7m today for the first time. I pumped it up as hard as a dared - stopping when a finger flick gave a 'ping' sound, like I used to judge my kite's pressure back in the day before pumps had pressure gauges. The pressure gauge on my pump (not a duotone pump) said 5psi. There was still a slight indent from the curved part of the boom.
The 7m behaved perfectly. I can definitely say it is the BEST wing I have ever used (i have used Gong wing plus 7m, f-one 5m, Naish s25 5.3 & Takuma wing ride 4m). So user friendly, so much power but so easy to handle. The boom is AWESOME - infinite hand positions makes it so easy, you don't ever have to look where your hands are going. The best part about it is how light and maneuverable it is during transitions - the boom and the shape of the wing meant it flipped, twisted or rolled to exactly where I wanted it, effortlessly - even one handed a lot of the time. Such a good wing. I loved it instantly. Can't wait for the 5m to arrive so I can do a side by side test against the Naish s25 5.3m

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Dommo, how did you find tacking it?

I just spent the first 2 hours on my 6m Echo as well. Great wing! I've spent 80% of my winging time using the original 4m Duotone, so the 6m was definitely an adjustment, but I think going from 4 to 6m would be a big change for any brand. I thought I would jump from a 6 to a 4 m, but decided to go all in and got the 5m as well. So 6,5,4, and 3.3 in the quiver. No interest in the 7m at my 77kg weight.

It makes tacking easier. It just rolls over your head effortlessly and because of the boom I don't have to look to see where my hands are going, it may be a minor thing for the experienced but for me its one less thing to think about which is a huge help at my stage. This is all in direct comparison with my old Gong wing plus (also a 7m) which I never managed to to a single tack with. So far (and I've only used it twice) it's improved every aspect of my wing foiling game. Will definitely get the 5m & probably the 4m as well. I got the 7m because the wind is mostly 8-14 knots here. I thought it would be a nightmare when I first pumped it up and saw how wide the wingspan was, but I instantly found it much less likely for the wingtip to catch the water than the Gong. So far i've only had a wingtip catch twice, and it was only when that happened that I realised that I wasn't concentrating on keeping the wingtip up like I had to with the Gong. However, if a wingtip caught with the Gong 7m I could often recover - with the Doutone 7m if this happens the wingtip is immediately sucked under the board and it's a guaranteed fall. This is the only area I've found so far where it's not better than the Gong.

Dommo,

Nice to know. So I guess the one complaint that most new Echo owners have expressed is the odd mismatch in curvature radius with the boom end adaptor that presses up against the inflated leading edge. The molded adaptor has a smaller radius than the leading edge and tends to dig into it because of that. No effect on performance (in fact it locks the boom in even tighter), but I suppose it could affect the long term durability of the wing. I saw it with the long boom on the 6m and the short boom on the 4m.

Seems really odd they would design it that way given the first generation had a proper radius match.......

They have new carbon booms coming out I'm guessing they'll fit the new radius .

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Dommo,

Nice to know. So I guess the one complaint that most new Echo owners have expressed is the odd mismatch in curvature radius with the boom end adaptor that presses up against the inflated leading edge. The molded adaptor has a smaller radius than the leading edge and tends to dig into it because of that. No effect on performance (in fact it locks the boom in even tighter), but I suppose it could affect the long term durability of the wing. I saw it with the long boom on the 6m and the short boom on the 4m.

Seems really odd they would design it that way given the first generation had a proper radius match.......

Do you know what pressure you pump your 7m up to? The Duotone dealer said when you pump it up to 6psi the dent will be gone. I thought this would be a really good way of knowing when you've got the right pressure, but... I pumped mine up to what my pressure gauge said was 5psi (not a duotone pump) and by then the leading edge was so taught that a finger flick gave a high 'ping' - the type of sound I would definitely stop pumping my kites up, but there was still quite an indent. I don't want to put more pressure in in case the pressure gauge is wrong. I have ordered a duotone pump in the hope that their pressure gauge will be more accurate for their wings. I agree that the indent could cause damage over time.

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They have new carbon booms coming out I'm guessing they'll fit the new radius .

Dommo 6 psi all day and a little more doesn't hurt you want that leading edge super stiff.

Spoke to the Fanatic rep , I was wrong above , what they didn't want to create is a new boom front end that would make all the existing wing booms obsolete. The other point is that all that leech tension has to come from somewhere. Tension in the leech is a product of compression in the leading edge. They could have distributed the load more widely with a new boom front end and the compression would have been less obvious, but then that would have meant building a new front end and would have made all existing booms obsolete after less than one year on the market. Also relevant, the compression is most obvious in the 6- and 7-meter wings -- sizes that need the most leech tension so not as prevalent in the 3, 4 or 5. It' s not an issue on my 5m Echo using my existing 4m boom.

I emailed one of the UK Duotone rep's and he said, "there will always be a bit of an ident as there is a lot of pressure hooding the boom in place. it is designed this way and the bladder has a double layer to it for about 15" either side of the boom for wear and tear so longevity on this should be good."
I'm happy with this reply and from what Piros said I'll go for it and pump it up to 6psi, although I'll wait for a duotone pump as my existing pump is old and I don't trust the pressure gauge - can anyone recommend a specific pump/pressure gauge combo or even a separate pressure gauge that they have found to be reliable in terms of accuracy?

Hi
I am envisaging to buy a wing ( Duotone or other). For the moment I'd use it on a Bic Sup, without a foil, to have fun in light winds, as an alternative to paddling or windsurfing . Among other things, the advantage is that I don't have to go through the hassle of rigging and tuning the sail.. A wing is ready to go ! Eventually, though, I will buy a foil.

Whether eventually I buy a foil or not, I'll probably replace my 12 ft windsup with a smaller and shorter board as soon as I get a hang on using a wing. Probably a 135-145 lt volume .,
I'd like to know :

1 Can older, non dedicated boards be used for foiling, with a Deep Tuttle finbox?
Due to the wing and foil craze, the prices of dedicated foil boards are getting crazy, as sellers no doubt take advantage of this new hype to jack up their prices.I have seen packages over $ 3000 ! Why not an older Deep Tuttle board?

2. What board( even an older one) , is recommended for maximum stability when using a wing ?( No foil) Formula boards?

I have been doing some balance training on my SUP, trying to get on an off like I would do with a wing..
The width is about 85 cm in the middle , which is fine, except that it tapers considerably in the back, which makes it still wobbly without a mast and wishbone to hold on, even though the centerboard helps
I have seen people doing winGsurfing or wingfoiling on boards that are not only wide, but don't taper off as much in the rear. They seem to have practically the same width all along, which should make them very stable.
Any comments suggestions?

Thanks

Francone

So I've had a chance to ride my 6, 5, and 4m Echo a bit more. I'm generally pumping to around 7psi with my WMFG pump, but I always check by feel as well. I have a short and long oval boom and one of the original round booms. I've already gotten used to the small amount of leading edge "squeeze" from the boom front end. It's definitely a nice tight connection and doesn't seem like it's over stressing the leading edge.

Back to performance; the Echo's are great! Just the feel of the stiffer canopy, tighter leach tension and oval boom are significantly improved over the originals. Fast pumping onto the foil, generates more speed, far better upwind performance, easier to ride overpowered, better one hand luffing (I still like to hold the front of the boom rather than the front handle), and still good rolling behavior for tacking.
On quiver preference, you could probably go 7/5/4 or 6/4 without it being too gappy. I chose 6/5/4/3.3 just to be a bit indulgent. I doubt I'll use the 3.3 all that much, but we do get a reasonable number of days over 30 knots

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Hi
I am envisaging to buy a wing ( Duotone or other). For the moment I'd use it on a Bic Sup, without a foil, to have fun in light winds, as an alternative to paddling or windsurfing . Among other things, the advantage is that I don't have to go through the hassle of rigging and tuning the sail.. A wing is ready to go ! Eventually, though, I will buy a foil.

Whether eventually I buy a foil or not, I'll probably replace my 12 ft windsup with a smaller and shorter board as soon as I get a hang on using a wing. Probably a 135-145 lt volume .,
I'd like to know :

1 Can older, non dedicated boards be used for foiling, with a Deep Tuttle finbox?
Due to the wing and foil craze, the prices of dedicated foil boards are getting crazy, as sellers no doubt take advantage of this new hype to jack up their prices.I have seen packages over $ 3000 ! Why not an older Deep Tuttle board?

2. What board( even an older one) , is recommended for maximum stability when using a wing ?( No foil) Formula boards?

I have been doing some balance training on my SUP, trying to get on an off like I would do with a wing..
The width is about 85 cm in the middle , which is fine, except that it tapers considerably in the back, which makes it still wobbly without a mast and wishbone to hold on, even though the centerboard helps
I have seen people doing winGsurfing or wingfoiling on boards that are not only wide, but don't taper off as much in the rear. They seem to have practically the same width all along, which should make them very stable.
Any comments suggestions?

Thanks

Francone

Thanks for the input DSpace

I gather you are using a foil. I won't, as yet. I'll just use the wing on my.... LLLONG SUP, without a foil. . I am looking at the 5 m Duotone wing (the previous model, though) for more traction. Will it work in light winds( 12-15 knts) without a foil ?
If it works, I'll buy a shorter board , preferably an older non-dedicated board. I can find one for $ 400-500, which is a far cry for the $ 1000 + dedicated boards...Will the finbox be strong enough if eventually I want to put a foil on it? .

Thanks

Francone

@Francone
Last year I did the same - 5m Duotone + ISUP
You should be fine with your SUP you just need a daggerboard or driftstopper (more here www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Stand-Up-Paddle/Foiling/Windwing-on-a-longboard)

But since I have my 2020 7m Duotone + Foilboard I haven't used the 5m anymore (wind on lake here mostly between 10 and 18 kts)