Thanks. 4 bolts makes sense, currently using 85cm with abracadabra and it becomes loose at the end of the session. Ordered c35 carbon unfortunately there's a delay in shipment supposedly affecting all European dealers

How light is a 2140HA set up compared to a Moses W1100?

I'm trying to get hold of a Moses, but it's proving difficult so I may look at a Naish.

I want something light!

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BritWindfoiler said..
How light is a 2140HA set up compared to a Moses W1100?

I'm trying to get hold of a Moses, but it's proving difficult so I may look at a Naish.

I want something light!

Just weighed my 2140HA with an 85cm mast it was 4.3 kgs

Wonderful, thanks. That's similar to the Moses, maybe even slightly lighter.

Small hi aspect foils are the lightest.
And HA means you can go half the size of delta low aspects in the same wind.

Beginner question: is it scarier to fall on a HA wing than on a Low Aspect one? I still fold in half a couple of times per seasion.

Point of view..
I windfoil on both a 600 sq cm hi aspect and a low aspect 1220.
Difference in speed is maybe 2-4 knots, so maybe into 20 knots.
I windsurf with guys who exceed 30 knots almost every session..
20 knots feels really slow and safe.
30 knots, you skip at least once and people have broken ribs without crashing.

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Ch0p said..
Beginner question: is it scarier to fall on a HA wing than on a Low Aspect one? I still fold in half a couple of times per seasion.

Doesn't matter HA or low, it's always scary to fall on the foil. I think you are wrestling to stay up on the foil. When you start to fall, go with it, and fall away from the foil. Train yourself never to fold towards the foil, always go with the fall and jump away.

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LeeD said..
Point of view..
I windfoil on both a 600 sq cm hi aspect and a low aspect 1220.
Difference in speed is maybe 2-4 knots, so maybe into 20 knots.
I windsurf with guys who exceed 30 knots almost every session..
20 knots feels really slow and safe.
30 knots, you skip at least once and people have broken ribs without crashing.

Eh, I don't have those problems

My question was more around falling on the foil at slow speed. The narrower the blade the riskier it seems.

Why would you "fall on the blades"?
Never step off your board.
Your feet should be the last body part in touch when you fall AWAY from the board.
Your leash might pull the board towards your head, so come up with arms covering your head, like in surfing.
Dull sand your wings, no need for knife sharp foils.

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LeeD said..
Small hi aspect foils are the lightest.
And HA means you can go half the size of delta low aspects in the same wind.

Provided you've got the skills to get it going in light winds. If you're learning, not much point in having a small area HA foil if you can't get it to fly.
While I'm no expert, I'd find it hard to believe foil weight is a big factor in getting the things to fly. Bigger factors would be technique, foil design, foil setup, wing technique, design and setup.

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LeeD said..
Why would you "fall on the blades"?
Never step off your board.
Your feet should be the last body part in touch when you fall AWAY from the board.
Your leash might pull the board towards your head, so come up with arms covering your head, like in surfing.
Dull sand your wings, no need for knife sharp foils.

People don't choose to "fall on the blades". But in rare circumstances it might happen.
I step off my board lots. At slow speeds when I know I'm going to fall, I'll often step backwards off the board so that when my body is falling into the water, I still have a foot on the board to keep it at distance from me. I find jumping off the board can work OK, but in rare circumstances the board may not go where it's meant to and you can land nearer to it (leash may spring it back towards you or a wave might change it's trajectory). Stepping off the board and having one foot on the board when you enter the water means the board is under some control and you can keep your distance from the foil (I've not been hit yet). I'm not saying the way I do it works for everyone. Yet again I think LeeD's ideas work for him but maybe not everyone.... Using my technique above, when I enter the water, I can see the board and can keep hold of the wing to ensure it doesn't get out of control and require rescuing. Overall, a controlled step off the board saves me heaps of time in having your gear where you want it so recovery and getting going is much faster. Jumping off, letting go of the wing and coming up with arms covering your head will take a lot more time in recovery and re-mounting and I'm not sure it's much safer.
ChOp if you hit your foil when you've come off, I don't think it makes a lot of difference whether youve got a HA or LA foil. It'll hurt depending on the type of collision. Things like sharp edges are going to make the collision worse. I think the difference in leading edge of a HA vs LA foil is not going to be a major factor in damage.

After reading the other participants in this forum, I've decided to get a C35. Thanks DJ and JB for the input.

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At slow speeds when I know I'm going to fall, I'll often step backwards off the board so that when my body is falling into the water, I still have a foot on the board to keep it at distance from me. I find jumping off the board can work OK, but coming up with arms covering your head will take a lot more time in recovery and re-mounting and I'm not sure it's much safer.
ChOp if you hit your foil when you've come off, I don't think it makes a lot of difference whether youve got a HA or LA foil. It'll hurt depending on the type of collision.

Thanks! I also found myself falling with one foot on the board and I remember thinking "this is nice".

On the mast question I'd love a C35 too, I just bent my aluminum mast Sunday. Can't get those masts in the US though.

Just weighed my latest delivery, S26 85cm S35 mast, HA1040 wing and 220 stab, 3.76 kgs. Had it out once, it's fast but I had it on the 55cm fuselage which made it extremely lively so difficult to really push the limits. Will try again on the 64cm fuselage. The 55cm fuselage will be great fun in the swell.

Airsail, that looks really nice with a decent weight as well. Do you know what the thickness of that foil is? Axis and Gong publish foil volumes to provide buyers with an idea of wing thickness or profile. I always feel like an important part of the puzzle is left out when there is no description of the maximum wing thickness. Thanks for any insight!

Dspace, the HA1040 is 15.3mm thick at the centre and the 220 stab 7.8mm thick. Yes I agree, it would be nice if manufacturers include a wing thickness in their specifications.

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BritWindfoiler said..
How light is a 2140HA set up compared to a Moses W1100?

I'm trying to get hold of a Moses, but it's proving difficult so I may look at a Naish.

I want something light!

Just weighed my 2140HA with an 85cm mast it was 4.3 kgs

How does the HA 2140 compares to the HA 1800?

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DavidJohn said..

BritWindfoiler said..
How light is a 2140HA set up compared to a Moses W1100?

I'm trying to get hold of a Moses, but it's proving difficult so I may look at a Naish.

I want something light!

Just weighed my 2140HA with an 85cm mast it was 4.3 kgs

How does the HA 2140 compares to the HA 1800?

I've been using my HA1800 for a while now and love it.. The new HA2140 lifts at a slightly lower speed and can glide slightly longer than the HA1800.. I think once I get good enough to go downwind without the power of the wing I should notice a bigger difference between the two..