Does anyone have experience with those foils?

I hear a lot of good things about them.

I am looking at the 1100 and the 900 for my 82kgs dry.

Can anyone tell me about the windrange of these foils?

This interests me as well. I'm a lake foiler so mostly flat water freeride with a focus on going fast and fluid transitions. Currently on sk8s and love them but keep wondering if I would benefit in anyway going to a higher aspect foll like the enduro for this style of foiling.

I am 90kg have the 700 and 900 with standard fuse and 142 silk tail. Mainly ride waves probably should have the Silks but they were way more expensive. The Enduros are really good at everything lots of lift, glide for ever but are stable and turn well. Highly recommend them. 900 gets up really easy so I am covered from 12 knots up using a 5m wing.

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pacoz said..
Does anyone have experience with those foils?

I hear a lot of good things about them.

I am looking at the 1100 and the 900 for my 82kgs dry.

Can anyone tell me about the windrange of these foils?

Comparison with KT on Damien LeRoy's Youtube channel with speeds.. Friend says Enduros are great and faster but has small preference for Silk in local swells and chop.

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hilly said..
I am 90kg have the 700 and 900 with standard fuse and 142 silk tail. Mainly ride waves probably should have the Silks but they were way more expensive. The Enduros are really good at everything lots of lift, glide for ever but are stable and turn well. Highly recommend them. 900 gets up really easy so I am covered from 12 knots up using a 5m wing.

Ok that's interesting. So I assume I can get the 1100 going under 10 kts maybe with a dw or midlength board.

Crazy how the perception about foil sizes change. In my mind a lightwind foil is still at least 1500cm2 - i guess that thought is outdated

I'm 87kg and I have demo'd the 700 Enduro and own the Silk lineup plus the Ultra 750.

I rode the Silk 650, Enduro 700, and Ultra 750, back to back to back on a big day. My takeaway was that if the Ultra 750 and Silk 650 had a baby it would be the Enduro 700. It's perfectly balanced between those two foils in speed, turning, glide, great takeoff. I think "balanced" is how I would describe them whereas the Silks are "extreme carving."

I should be doing a full Enduro quiver review in the spring but until then this is what I've been told:

Enduros are extremely user friendly all around foils with surprisingly good low end that perform extremely well on the high end.

All reports seem to say the Enduro 900 replaces the Silk 1050 for anyone who prefers glide over turns.

Very minimal reports about the 1100 that I've heard so far.

1300 apparently turns surprisingly well but more than anything it handles being overpowered really well. The day I demo'd the 700 I was told I could be out on the 1300 doing DW runs in the same big swell and still having fun.

I can imagine adding the bigger Enduros to my quiver next summer.

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BWalnut said..
I'm 87kg and I have demo'd the 700 Enduro and own the Silk lineup plus the Ultra 750.

I rode the Silk 650, Enduro 700, and Ultra 750, back to back to back on a big day. My takeaway was that if the Ultra 750 and Silk 650 had a baby it would be the Enduro 700. It's perfectly balanced between those two foils in speed, turning, glide, great takeoff. I think "balanced" is how I would describe them whereas the Silks are "extreme carving."

I should be doing a full Enduro quiver review in the spring but until then this is what I've been told:

Enduros are extremely user friendly all around foils with surprisingly good low end that perform extremely well on the high end.

All reports seem to say the Enduro 900 replaces the Silk 1050 for anyone who prefers glide over turns.

Very minimal reports about the 1100 that I've heard so far.

1300 apparently turns surprisingly well but more than anything it handles being overpowered really well. The day I demo'd the 700 I was told I could be out on the 1300 doing DW runs in the same big swell and still having fun.

I can imagine adding the bigger Enduros to my quiver next summer.

1100 Enduro Review enjoy

www.instagram.com/reel/DD0KUyPT6Ff/?igsh=MWluM3p5bHZ0Y25oNA==

I had a write up here about the Enduro 1300 and Evo1650

www.pimpyourride.fr/forum-wingfoil/viewtopic.php?t=1800&start=20

I really considdering getting a 900 and 1100 for supfoil and maybe sell the Pure 1100 although I hate to sell stuff.

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Jeroensurf said..
I had a write up here about the Enduro 1300 and Evo1650

www.pimpyourride.fr/forum-wingfoil/viewtopic.php?t=1800&start=20

I really considdering getting a 900 and 1100 for supfoil and maybe sell the Pure 1100 although I hate to sell stuff.

Good stuff. How would you say it compares to the 1440? You said it's a huge step up but can you share a little more? The 1440 felt really stiff and slow to me.

First of all, we ride in quite different conditions :) Where I ride its Atlantic swell in the holidays, or slow shorter period, low energy wind generated Northsea-waves. I use the Kujira1440 with an Aloy Cedrus mast that is 19mm thick so that whole package is slower, but serious stiff.
I ride the Enduro 1300 and Evo1650 with the UHM80 mast that is a fraction less stiff but way less draggy so speedwise I can,t isolate it to just the frontwings. The whole AFS package feels in low end dragless and is faster compared to the Cedrus/Kujira set up, but not sure wich part has the biggest influence on the overal performance.With the E1300 I have clocked 30km p/h on a shoulderhigh slow wave, so the thing can go fast for its size. I never reaced that with the Kujira1440 and haven,t tried conditions like that with the Evo1650.

Lift:
The Kujira1440 has more initial raw lift and generates a lot more when on a steep wave. the faster it goes, the more front pressure you get.The E1300 has that effect less: less initial lift, so once you feel you have a bit of lift you have to pop it up a bit to take off where the 1440 pushes itself up. The Evo1650 has more initial lift than the E1300 but not as much as the Kujira and sits inbetween closer to the E1300 then to the 1440. Once on a wave, the lift of the E1300 is less progresive/ more controlable then the 1440, The Evo1650 sits inbeteween but is easier to get going in small waves and bumps then both.

Turning:The Evo1650 and 1440 are pretty much on par in turning radius and speed. The E1300 turns tighter on lower speeds, in higher speeds (28-30km p/h on a wave) its a bit harder to get of course but that is pretty much the same with the 1440 (havent used the Evo1650 in pushing conditions).

I also Use in Ocean swell my Pure1100. That one is a LOT faster but also need more speed before take off. When you are on the low end of the take off speed its wobly and nervous, once on speed a blast but for me in my conditions and being close to a 100kg more an wingfoil glidy conditions frontwing as an supfoil frontwing.

Can you give more comparison between the pure 1100 (which I know well) and the e1300? I find the 1100 fast but pretty pitchy. Also find the 1100 very locked into its own turn radius which I don't love (but is the nature of these wide span foils). How much less takeoff speed does the e1300 require vs the pure 1100? Thanks a lot

Also, which fuse, fuse setting and tail are you riding it with?

This is a really awesome breakdown/comparison. Thank you so much! Sounds like the 1300 could be a real gem for mellow gorge days where I'd probably be averaging 20kmh on it.

I'll try to report back in the spring when I get a chance on it.

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Velocicraptor said..
Can you give more comparison between the pure 1100 (which I know well) and the e1300? I find the 1100 fast but pretty pitchy. Also find the 1100 very locked into its own turn radius which I don't love (but is the nature of these wide span foils). How much less takeoff speed does the e1300 require vs the pure 1100? Thanks a lot

Also, which fuse, fuse setting and tail are you riding it with?

I just had today an awesome supfoil sess in shoulder to headhigh glassy waves with the E1300. a true treat here in the netherlands as groundswells are rare here.I,m using the medium fuse and HA43 tail. When the funds are there I wanna buy smaller (HA) tails.In this set up the E1300 is a lot less pitch sensitive as the 1100Pure and on low speeds easier to get of course and to change turn radius. Of course this is within a reasonable range. It won,t turn like a Silk1050, but I used other foils with a similar span that feel less maneuvrable.In feel: I need to turn the Pure1100 more from the hips, a bit flatter turning, while the E1300 can have just a normall technique with just a wider arc as an smaller foil like the Silk1050 but don, need to turn flattish.Regarding to the take-off. I don,t have exact numbers but especially when I Paddle up the 1300 is solid in slow waves while the Pure1100 is wobly and nervous till it got enough speed. In short period wind waves of lets say hiphigh i,m fine with the E1300 while I,m not able to paddle up the Pure1100. The difference is significant.

Again when I saved a bit (bought last month 3 new wings and have an Sunova Casey8.4x20x125l ariving in march) I wanna buy and try more different tails and seruously considder selling my Pure1100 and replave it for an E1100+E900.

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Just today I received my order from AFS, I ordered the 900 and the 1100 with the ha40 stab. Looks very good on first glance.

I'll only be able to try it out in a few weeks. But what I noticed right away is how sharp the trailing edge is and how pointy the wingtips are.

Has any of you sanded it down a little maybe? Does it affect performance much (given I'll never use the full potential of these foils)

Also the bolts appear very short to me. Did any of you have them come loose?

This is a good point. A friend ended up needing stitches in his leg (not too serious) from his Silk rear stab trailing edge in Boa Vista a couple of weeks ago.
We both sanded the tips and the trailing edge the next day!
He was fine and having a great time on the water after 48hrs off.

We both love the Silks but the trailing edges are sharp! (edit: that is me btw - in Boa / Sal Rei)
More shots here www.instagram.com/rod.foils/

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pacoz said..
Just today I received my order from AFS, I ordered the 900 and the 1100 with the ha40 stab. Looks very good on first glance.

I'll only be able to try it out in a few weeks. But what I noticed right away is how sharp the trailing edge is and how pointy the wingtips are.

Has any of you sanded it down a little maybe? Does it affect performance much (given I'll never use the full potential of these foils)

Also the bolts appear very short to me. Did any of you have them come loose?

Which bolts are you saying are short? The stab bolts are all short but no worries on that at all.

I sanded all of mine to decrease how sharp they are just a bit. No impact on it that I was able to notice other than my hand doesn't hurt when pushing the foil through the water as much!

Thanks! So I'll do it then also. If I may ask, which grit did you use? 600?

The bolts on the front wing especially are quite a bit shorter than what I know from my previous foils (naish and sabfoil).

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pacoz said..
Thanks! So I'll do it then also. If I may ask, which grit did you use? 600?

The bolts on the front wing especially are quite a bit shorter than what I know from my previous foils (naish and sabfoil).

Well, it's worth noting that the enduros are also nicely thinned out so bolt depth is going to relate to that. I haven't heard of any failures and there's 3 bolts there to keep it strong. I always start sanding with really high grits. 1500 wet sand is the lowest I'd start with, especially if you haven't done a ton of sanding. If it doesn't feel like the edge is coming down fast enough for you then lower the grit but it's so much easier to go slow and ease into it instead of going bananas and over doing it.

I bought an Enduro900 (couldnt help myself when they had on in the shop) and rode it 3 times wingfoiling. To me (97kg on a SuperK 92 with 4+5m wings) it feels very similar to the Silk1050 in turning. I was using the Silk 152stab I used a lot with thee Silk1050 as wellThe biggest difference I notticed so far is that the Silk has a quite arupt lift while the Enduro900 is more gradually and also less on frontfooted on speed. I hoped for a bit more glide as with the Silk due the higher AR, but that feels rather similar as well so that was a bit of a dissapointmend. They are very very close so i have to see if I keep em both or sell one.

Yeah I've heard a lot of the same, the enduro 900 is a near direct replacement for the silk 1050. Just buy monoblock or breakdown. I get so much glide out of that silk I can't imagine getting rid of it.

Any chance you can try it with different stabs? It would be interesting to hear if the glide shifted noticeably if you put one of the HA tails on the 1050 and then on the 900. I tried the HA 38 on the silk 1050 but didn't think much of it and went back to the 132 tail right away.

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BWalnut said..
Yeah I've heard a lot of the same, the enduro 900 is a near direct replacement for the silk 1050. Just buy monoblock or breakdown. I get so much glide out of that silk I can't imagine getting rid of it.

Any chance you can try it with different stabs? It would be interesting to hear if the glide shifted noticeably if you put one of the HA tails on the 1050 and then on the 900. I tried the HA 38 on the silk 1050 but didn't think much of it and went back to the 132 tail right away.

I have the 900 and use 142 tail for turning on small waves (forward position negative shim) HA38 tail gets a lot more glide (rear position negative shim) use that for downwind and parawing.

I only have the Silk 650 so cannot compare with the 1050 however I do have the Enduro 700 and that has so much more glide than the 650 and is no slouch in the turns. 650 is way better in solid waves my go to for towing.

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hilly said..

I have the 900 and use 142 tail for turning on small waves (forward position negative shim) HA38 tail gets a lot more glide (rear position negative shim) use that for downwind and parawing.

I only have the Silk 650 so cannot compare with the 1050 however I do have the Enduro 700 and that has so much more glide than the 650 and is no slouch in the turns. 650 is way better in solid waves my go to for towing.

Yeah, the 650 is not a big glider but the turns are next level! The ultra 750 is my next size up and the glide beats the Enduro 700 for sure but it's a little stiffer in the turns on the 80cm UHM mast with both foils on the HA 38. For me, the Ultra does better on the 75cm UHM.

Are you running the standard or short fuses?

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BWalnut said..

hilly said..

I have the 900 and use 142 tail for turning on small waves (forward position negative shim) HA38 tail gets a lot more glide (rear position negative shim) use that for downwind and parawing.

I only have the Silk 650 so cannot compare with the 1050 however I do have the Enduro 700 and that has so much more glide than the 650 and is no slouch in the turns. 650 is way better in solid waves my go to for towing.

Yeah, the 650 is not a big glider but the turns are next level! The ultra 750 is my next size up and the glide beats the Enduro 700 for sure but it's a little stiffer in the turns on the 80cm UHM mast with both foils on the HA 38. For me, the Ultra does better on the 75cm UHM.

Are you running the standard or short fuses?

Standard. Short fuse is recommended for the larger foils.

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Jeroensurf said..
I bought an Enduro900 (couldnt help myself when they had on in the shop) and rode it 3 times wingfoiling. To me (97kg on a SuperK 92 with 4+5m wings) it feels very similar to the Silk1050 in turning. I was using the Silk 152stab I used a lot with thee Silk1050 as wellThe biggest difference I notticed so far is that the Silk has a quite arupt lift while the Enduro900 is more gradually and also less on frontfooted on speed. I hoped for a bit more glide as with the Silk due the higher AR, but that feels rather similar as well so that was a bit of a dissapointmend. They are very very close so i have to see if I keep em both or sell one.

Today i was out on the new E 900 to compare with Silk 1050, conditions : 14- 24 Kn flatwater with chop ,4 c air 3 c water ,
My board whitebird 100l whight 98 kg dry , level int, the Silk i got in May so ca. 800 km on it . My wing was to big because of the forecast, 5,5 Mode pro. The foils felt similar ,but it is not the same . I ride it back to back on 80 uhm mast and Silk 142 tail, smoth easy turns on both ,i i don t know witch i prever they goes round with confidens , easy with Ar 11 for E 900 . on my 80 jibs no fail on tight or long radios . My tracking say 24 kmh average, on both i got the same cruise speed,, but than i am pushing the foil i got more speed from the enduro . I think
the lower front foot pressure on the E make it easy to go faster ,max today was 41 kmh and more longer faster sektions on the Enduro.
Next what i feel is the pumping it s more easy on the E and the glide is also more , not a huge div, but you feel it. Overall i tend to the 900 Enduro over the Silk , it is close but for me the E 900 fit better betwen the 700 and 1100 Enduro i have. I hope i can get the traking in.
I look foreward for a test in our small waves.
Best regards Thorsten

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BWalnut said..
Yeah I've heard a lot of the same, the enduro 900 is a near direct replacement for the silk 1050. Just buy monoblock or breakdown. I get so much glide out of that silk I can't imagine getting rid of it.

Any chance you can try it with different stabs? It would be interesting to hear if the glide shifted noticeably if you put one of the HA tails on the 1050 and then on the 900. I tried the HA 38 on the silk 1050 but didn't think much of it and went back to the 132 tail right away.

Its 5C here so not really the conditions to try loads of diff set ups. Its going in and out, but no tinkering inbetween but I can put the 142 from my Silk850 on it when there is wind again.
So far I only have the HA43, Silk152/142 and a KDMarlin but wanna order in spring the HA 40+38. I tried really small stabs like the 38, but for where I ride and how I ride they don,t make a lot of sense (97kg butnaked doesnt help either with the tiny stuff)
Question:
Has anyone tried the Enduro1100 in comparison to the Pure1100?I really love my E1300 for supfoil in our lower energy but steep waves and it is fast (32km p/h on a wave) but would like something smaller without the quite high take off speed of the Pure1100. Ideally I would demo one, but there are no demo E1100 in my aerea and don,t wanna buy just to try (like with the E900).

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Jeroensurf said..

BWalnut said..
Yeah I've heard a lot of the same, the enduro 900 is a near direct replacement for the silk 1050. Just buy monoblock or breakdown. I get so much glide out of that silk I can't imagine getting rid of it.

Any chance you can try it with different stabs? It would be interesting to hear if the glide shifted noticeably if you put one of the HA tails on the 1050 and then on the 900. I tried the HA 38 on the silk 1050 but didn't think much of it and went back to the 132 tail right away.

Its 5C here so not really the conditions to try loads of diff set ups. Its going in and out, but no tinkering inbetween but I can put the 142 from my Silk850 on it when there is wind again.
So far I only have the HA43, Silk152/142 and a KDMarlin but wanna order in spring the HA 40+38. I tried really small stabs like the 38, but for where I ride and how I ride they don,t make a lot of sense (97kg butnaked doesnt help either with the tiny stuff)
Question:
Has anyone tried the Enduro1100 in comparison to the Pure1100?I really love my E1300 for supfoil in our lower energy but steep waves and it is fast (32km p/h on a wave) but would like something smaller without the quite high take off speed of the Pure1100. Ideally I would demo one, but there are no demo E1100 in my aerea and don,t wanna buy just to try (like with the E900).

A couple of mates have the Enduro 1100 and really rate it for downwind and sup surfing. They have the 1300 as well but prefer the 1100.

@joeren there is No surprise when you change only one Enduro size , for me i can only compare my E 1100 with evo 1650 and Silk 1050.. i can Ride my 1100 in the same Low Wind as the big EVO IT s more fun but i can Not pump on Foil Like the EVO ,the 1100 need more Speed or a small Wave for the start. The 1100 has a lot more glide than the Silk and pump much better and carve also very nice and intuitiv. I got 13 Session on it and it s my Favorit because we have in our baltic see often the condition for this Foil. More Low end than Silk 1050 a touch slower than Silk. I Hope that helps. The Magic from the Enduro for me is ar 11 that easy and intuitiv in Turns , there are much very good Foils Out now with same or more Power but not to much with this easy feel in all and also in gnarly conditions. Best regards Thorsten

How do yopu see the take off speed of the Enduro1100 compared to the Silk1050?Because IMO the Pure 1100 has a significant higher take off speed as the Silk1050

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Labskaus said..
More Low end than Silk 1050 a touch slower than Silk.

I would have expected the low end to be better but I'm surprised to hear its a touch slower. I was hoping a touch faster since it is thinner!