too true - jaeger is so sick there.

But Mr severne gives him a run for his money in the drive / manoeuvrability stakes - maybe even superior in less than 20 knots on what i would say is the driviest board you can get today (Nude Chopper 90s and 80s twin fins) - those things are sick - which is why i have one on order

have been known to bust the odd clean wave 360 or taka meself out there...on both singles and quads. I MIGHT get one or 2 per day - while Ben and Jaeger will get into double figures. Cheeeky muppets!

I am even a fan of the RRDs for drive and turn.Seen Ben Arthur absolutely dominates on those in onshore.

Fact is - a sweet board is a sweet board - regardless of how many fins it has.

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Fact is - a sweet board is a sweet board - regardless of how many fins it has.

There is no debate - no better sentence has been written in this thread

I think this was the Nude board you were talking about

He was going off in very trying conditions in a nasty sucky mast snapping SA west coast wave - was very nice to capture it on film

if I was going to maui I would order a custom and pick it up.

Angulo are doing awesome quads at the moment and even if you get it delivered they are still cheaper than a shop production board. Speak to mark on his website.

Depends on where you sail too to which set up is best, I sal with lots of rips so ordered a thruster to help with directional stability. Good luck.

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russh said...

Reflex Films said...


Fact is - a sweet board is a sweet board - regardless of how many fins it has.

There is no debate - no better sentence has been written in this thread

I think this was the Nude board you were talking about

He was going off in very trying conditions in a nasty sucky mast snapping SA west coast wave - was very nice to capture it on film

that session was alltime. cant wait until next year! almost every new board is a good board! its just personal preferance and the conditions you will be sailing in.

Go with a Goya, all their gear is amazing

Can anyone tell me how to get in contact with Nude? Is there a web site or some contact info anywhere?
Thanks.

nudesailboards@aapt.net.au
or web www.nudeboards.com.au
James Hooper is the man.

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Brien said...

Can anyone tell me how to get in contact with Nude? Is there a web site or some contact info anywhere?
Thanks.

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roberto said...
James Hooper is the man.

Brien said...

+1

If you have a really radical style (i.e. bottom turn, get vertical, hit the lip, come down, do it again 5x on that wave) I would reccomend a Goya Custom Quad, Fanatic Quad, JP Polakow Twinser Quad or Quatro KT Quad.
If you have a more down the line style with drawn out curves I would reccomend the JP (Kauli) Twinser Quad ridden as a twinser, the Starboard Kode or JP Single Thruster ridden with a single fin. If you have the second style mentioned but still really want a quad, the Quatro LS could be a good option. Many quads now are Twin fin convertible, so if you find a quad to 'radical' you can always ride it with two fins.

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ZackAttack said...

...so if you find a quad to 'radical' you can always ride it with two fins.

My problem is that Quad's find me too radical

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has any one tried the 85 quatro quad

Have tried the Quatro LS75 and the KT83, the LS is a flatter rocker and gets up and going quickly but doesn't bottom turn as well as the KT. The LS suited me best so I bought one. I also demo-ed the Goya quad 78 which felt quite a lot bigger than 78 litres and very heavy in the air. The OES 80 felt great but just had a bit too much volume in the tail for me, I believe the newer models have a much narrower tail.

I didn't bother with the RRDs as they weigh a tonne and the JPs cost $600 more than the Quatro's.

There were no 2011 Starboards to demo as they were waiting for the 2012 model to arrive.

Unfortunately its as flat as a tack here in Maui at the moment so the dreaded kite is getting a workout.

i bought a quatro 85 ls and im still not sold on it sailed it twice found it very slow but maybe its just me as its the first quad ive sailed i weigh 84kg and have always used that size as my light wind board

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i bought a quatro 85 ls and im still not sold on it sailed it twice found it very slow but maybe its just me as its the first quad ive sailed i weigh 84kg and have always used that size as my light wind board

If you want a fast board a Quad isn't the board you want... I have tried a number of different quads from different companies. One things they all do really well is provide and incredible amount of drive in turns on a wave. Say goodbye to board sliding sideways in bottom turns or of the top of a wave.

What they are not good at is providing you with the fastest ride going in a straight line. They all tend to get going a tad later than Thrusters or single fin boards and their top speed won't break any records... but then again that's not what they where intent for anyway.

Geeze, thats not my review of quads....

I feel they plane up much earlier than twins, the extra fins seem to give more lift, yes they provide more grip on the wave but can be pushed out hard when required (like off the top) and are better at getting you back up wind when your not on the plane. They also dont suffer from overly sliding out when its real windy like twins.
These traits out way any slight advantage that the other fin combos have. Sure singles have very slightly more top end and twinnies are great in small waves but:

Quads are the best allround fin combination IMHO.

thanks for the reply realy apreciate the feed back i think ihave to try more boards as my suplier is realy good and acomidating thuster maybe or back to single and also checked my wait im 88kg now got fat ah im 6foot5 thou getin old sux

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Have tried the Quatro LS75 and the KT83, the LS is a flatter rocker and gets up and going quickly but doesn't bottom turn as well as the KT. The LS suited me best so I bought one. I also demo-ed the Goya quad 78 which felt quite a lot bigger than 78 litres and very heavy in the air. The OES 80 felt great but just had a bit too much volume in the tail for me, I believe the newer models have a much narrower tail.

I didn't bother with the RRDs as they weigh a tonne and the JPs cost $600 more than the Quatro's.

There were no 2011 Starboards to demo as they were waiting for the 2012 model to arrive.

Unfortunately its as flat as a tack here in Maui at the moment so the dreaded kite is getting a workout.

Hey Robbo, dad says you should stick to teabagging and you are most probably too old to ride a 75ltr board.
I will buy it off you cheap, say half price.

Hey Zac tell that tight arse father of yours to get you on the next plane to Maui lots of bargains to be had here

i got to try the 2012 fanatic 85 quad in maui for a short session recently thanks to Peter Slate (legend), not much swell around and this was my first time on a quad. i tried a twin once and didnt like it at all. i thought that the 85 quad was going to be too small for me @90-95kgs. I also thought that the (2012) 5.9 duke rig would be too big for the board too. i was happily surprized on both fronts and found that in the 15-18 knots (maui wind) was relatively early to plane and although not blisteringly fast compared to the speed and slalom boards i usually ride i thought it moved along nicely. it turns like a demon and can go upwind OK, ive just got to remind myself to lay off the back foot because im used to having long upright slalom fins to oppose my lead back foot, so yeah if you want to tail slide its there for you on demand. under 15 knots and the combo suffered somewhat. its a shame there wasnt more wind becuase i had a brand new 5.0 duke sitting there waiting for me to try it too but adamson swallowed up all the good wind before i got there... serves him right and his punishment was a broken nose (not from me). all in all big ups to Slater for the loan of gear. I can thoroughly recommend the quad (from my limited experience) in powered up DTL conditions the quad would be a worthy weapon! Also the duke is the right sail for the bigger guys on the waves in the north range. tried the new north ultralight ID sail (5.4ish from memory) but not the right sail for me.

75's, 85's and 90's

http://www.boardseekermag.com/windsurfing-equipment-tests/75-litre-wave-board-intro-2010-155.html

www.boardseekermag.com/windsurfing-equipment-tests/85-litre-multi-fin-overview-2011-149.html

www.boardseekermag.com/windsurfing-equipment-tests/2011/90-litre-multi-fin-overview.html

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Just a quick question about tri and quad fin boards. Ive heard there not that great for high wind and bump and jump so i was supised to see that JP's fsw is coming out with a tri fin set up, does anyone just use these board for messy, choppy conditions??

We´ve been doing a FSW trifin since 3 years which gets really good feedback. They are better at everything but top end speed at a broad reach. They can be used as single fins too but the few that give it a try come back quickly to trifin. With a trifin, it has a bigger windrange, better upwind, better top end control, better wave riding. You need to move the mast foot back for trifin mode to keep it riding free, forward for single fin to stop it from tailwalking too soon.

BUT, you can not compare our trifins to those of JP, Exocet or practically any other (The new Simmer FSW being an exception I believe). We have been developing trifins since 1997 and it´s not simply adding some fins. It was a customer from Dongara actually who got me to start testing with toe-in back in 2005 and it reduced drag and improved wave riding considerably. Now we have done extensive research with a university and have found a lot more to the influence of the board and it´s shape to the water flow underneath. Before that I already figured out that all 3 fins should have similar flex and profiles. No one would put to slicks + off road tires under the same car.

Trifins are in principle the best set-up, the difference with quads is not huge but there still is a fin less so less drag and there is a centre fin giving less drag and improving predictability and precision a little (all relative off course). But to make them turn well, they need relatively big side fins. And the bigger, the better they need to be set up.

Quads have 2 trailing fins already giving a lot of area so the side fins can be kept small and it´s less noticed if they are not set up well (read: paralel like they nearly all are). For this same reason most trifins have just really small side biters. I am still surprised that after 3 or 4 years of multifin boards, some shapers who are also surf board shapers, still do not use toe-in. It´s not just because of better turning but also because of speed. Especially speed DTL. When sailing upwind, the AoA is fairly big on all fins, without toe-in one a little more and the other a little less which balances it out for the most part. But when going DTL, without sideways force of the sail, the flow needs to go as smooth as possible over the fins. Without toe-in, to the water the fins are actually toe-ed out..... And that is only the beginning. These are not huge things, more fine tuning but that is where things should be by now. Still the 2012 boards we´ve seen this summer, none had any toe-in.
I´ve had feedback of various people from various countries who´ve also been riding other brands Quads. The differences are not big but every comment contained: faster on the wave, and most contained: turning tighter (only the Quatro KT turned as good). Most other aspects were more or less similar, depending on which board.

Time will tell.

Bouke

I didn't want to start a debate about quads vs thrusters but I appreciate all the discussion. I've been riding a Delta Euphoria custom thruster for about 4 years now and I love it as my light wind board. It took me a while to get the fin configuration sorted as it felt over finned in trifin (3 equal sized fins) mode. When I put in a couple of smaller thruster fins coupled with a 14cm centre fin it sped up the board and made it tighter turning. Also as witchcraft pointed out mast base position is critical as well as it is with the quads. I have used it in single fin mode but its a bit of a handful bottom turning without spinning out.

I haven't ridden my quad enough and back to back with the thruster to make a detailed comparison but needless to say both boards are great.

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I have used it in single fin mode but its a bit of a handful bottom turning without spinning out.

I haven't ridden my quad enough and back to back with the thruster to make a detailed comparison but needless to say both boards are great.

I thought it was just me but when I rode my 99 Thruster for the first sails as a single I had problems with spinning out - back to a thruster and its fine - thought it was my imagination.

I set mine up now with 2 BP 13cm fronts and a 20 cm MUF x wave - works really nice but doesnt spring on the plane quite as quick as the 23cm centre and 2 x 10.

Feels way better on a wave than the original set up

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I thought it was just me but when I rode my 99 Thruster for the first sails as a single I had problems with spinning out - back to a thruster and its fine - thought it was my imagination.

I found you need to run a bigger fin if you go single fin on the 99 Thruster otherwise you end with constant tail slides.

That said, I have now thrown my plastic inserts for the thruster boxes into the nearest bin as I found the board performs better with the thruster setup anyway.

^^^ I was tried both 24cm Mfc wave and 26 select x1

I got out on the new Quad 72 today. I dialed in the fins for a perfect fit and went straight to Ho'okipa. Conditions were 5.0 mostly not planing, and a little bit overhead waves.

As soon as I got up on the board I noticed some differences. The reduced volume in the tail was significant, but she still floated all of 72L. I just have to keep my weight a little more forward. The overall length feels shorter, and the nose definitely seems fuller.

The fins feel perfectly matched to the board. They offer unbelievable grip and control. Sliding maneuvers off the top are done with ease, and much more critical than my last board. The thinness of the tail feels amazing in the bottom turn, allowing for the last second pivot that I was looking for. I was able to go vertical much more easily than the previous board, and the cutback was on a dime. I could turn sharper off the top than I ever have before. I was able to carve hard on rail with no worry of sliding out, and also turn flatter to push the tail around for the ultra controlled sliding cutback. I was having fun with layback cutbacks and the board sliding in front of the wave. I felt that I could reconnect the fins at any point that I wanted.

The last two days I have been riding a Quatro 76 Keith model production board. Conditions were very similar, so I could compare the boards fairly well. The Quatro was nice and felt right at home in the waves. It performed well and did pretty much everything I asked it to. The board seemed pretty short, and on numerous occasions I pearled the nose. It probably happened 5 times, and it became obvious that I would have to adjust my style to get the most out of the board. Moving the mast back may have helped, but I didn't try.

Overall it was a very good board and I would enjoy riding it, but after I got on the new OES, there was no question. I was a little concerned that the nose might bury, but it actually was never an issue. There was one time when I re-entered the wave from the top and plunged the nose straight into the water. I watched and expected to get launched over the handlebars, but the water split and the nose redirected and surfaced almost immediately. I couldn't believe it.

What else can I say? This board is going to take my wave riding to new heights. I have never felt such control under my feet. Well done Pete!
Russ

Pete

agree with Russ s comments above re 2012 quads-
they rip; definately super vert top to bottom and hard cranking off the top.
Rode 88 tuesday - board is a ripper, big step forward, your best to date.

Looking forward to giving 95 west coast big wave gun a run- set it up last nite.
will be interesting to test slight rocker enhancements, keep pushing the envelope; definately looks the goods. taking fat wavesailors where they've never been before!

Whats going on ??- are u taking our aussie beer gut designs to maui or bringing their ideas back here? credit where its due to skinny hawaiians; those fotos of Nick charging at Jaws do inspire confidence

maris

What I really wanna know is how people here are discussing the merits or various fin setups, and when the bloke who has done as much, if not more, testing than ANYONE of multi fin setups - Witchcraft - posts a reply he gets red thumbs. Thye had thrusters and trifins etc in water tunnel wind tunnel doo-hickey things years ago.

Especially poor form when Lee asked about trifin FSW and Wichcraft have been doing them and replied.

Weird ppl here at times ......

I appreciate a sport and a forum where the substantial manufacturers get in and reply with technical details so thankyou OES and Witchcraft. Evened it up a bit for u

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maris said...

Pete

Whats going on ??- are u taking our aussie beer gut designs to maui or bringing their ideas back here? credit where its due to skinny hawaiians; those fotos of Nick charging at Jaws do inspire confidence

maris

Difinitely I have been taking our aussie beer gut designs to Maui and not the other way around. Australia is more real world wave sailings with so many more options with our different skill levels sailors and sailing locations.
These new quad boards designs ,has allowed us to increase the wind and sea state range with greater control .This extra control has then allowed us to increase hidden volumes without on water performance loss , which you would get once you increase single fin wave board volumes.
We are now, distributing set volumes to differant areas of the boards [nose and widths] for even greater turning and control with these new gunnier tail shapes.