For those with the carbon Enigma, have you noticed the rear carbon arms becoming loose I.e with the adjustment clips fully closed? Mine is only a couple of years old and already has a heap of play.

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kuotadriver said..
For those with the carbon Enigma, have you noticed the rear carbon arms becoming loose I.e with the adjustment clips fully closed? Mine is only a couple of years old and already has a heap of play.

Not sure if this is the the cause of the problem

I have a couple of enigma carbons (wave) and I was told by Mr Severne several years ago to always store your boom with the clips fully inserted / locked otherwise they might become loose over time. I haven't had a problem as I have followed this advice - but the headpiece does wobble and despite a couple of attempts to fix it it keeps happening.

IMO those booms suffer in the long term.They become loose in the clip area ( my enigma had this problem from the very first time i changed the clips but the problem reappeared after 2 years) and in the front end of the boom maybe because sand goes between the carbon and the front end. I ve put on some teflon tape and it is ok. Not only enigma but other carbon booms have the same problems. I ve seen this in duotone ga prolimit gun ( the latter booms and many more are manufactured in the same factory and are alike i think. The enigma and duotone slim are not stiff especially duotone may be better for higher winds. IMO a very good carbon boom is the JP 28 mm A slim version will arrive this summer. There are some guys making custom booms far stiffer and not loose in any part and stay quite stiff for long time especially if you take good care of them. Furthermore, i see that the trend of bigger opening angles (new school) at the front is changing again to slightly narrower. (not like gun which is too close).

correction NP XC WAVE CARBON BOOM 27mm

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Snapfigure said..
correction NP XC WAVE CARBON BOOM 27mm

Will the slim NP still have the pointless RDM adaptor?

Dont know yet.
Some custom made booms already deal with common problems

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Faff said..

Will the slim NP still have the pointless RDM adaptor?

Unfortunately, it is highly likely They claim that sometimes it is used by race sailors for small like 4.8 sails

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Snapfigure said..

Faff said..

Will the slim NP still have the pointless RDM adaptor?

Unfortunately, it is highly likely They claim that sometimes it is used by race sailors for small like 4.8 sails

"The market is too small for us to retool" is probably the real reason unfortunately.

Duotone. Have fun!

DC

Windsurfed twice since my winter break with new Enigma 140-190 boom at 170 and 182 extensions with 6 and 4.7m sails. Such an amazing boom. So comfortable. It's so thin that I saw more redness on my fingers after both sessions probably due to less area of applied pressure. Easy to get used to. What I wonder though is who installed the boom's head as I think it should be flipped. LOL.. Can be used as is but I think if flipped will be bit quicker to attach.

These 1/2 first post-winter sessions are also very memorable... During one several years back I gybed and the sail detached from the board in mid-gybe and flew away. Two years back I catapulted after a jump sticking the nose into a wave and flying off the gear not hitting a single thing and doing 180 in mid air. And definitely classic, taking off thinking that something is definitely missing and then seeing that I forgot to don the harness after trying to hook in LOL

The booms head is the right way up if your rigging Severne sails (-;
very easy to flip though unless like on one of mine they seem to of used superglue rather than lock-tight on one of the bolts

i forgot to do up the zip on my wetsuit last week, hitting the 4 degree water was a shock.

I think it doesn't matter what sails you rig but likely matters how you unroll and lay your sail when rigging. I'm right handed and almost always rig with mast/mast sleeve on the right side/hand. But it's minor.

I sailed 3 times with Enigma last week. Amazing boom but it definitely gives me more sensitive skin reddish spots that need to build more calluses. Nothing to correct but I don't remember same with reg diameter booms I had like North Platinum. Wonder if anyone else had similar experience...

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kuotadriver said..
For those with the carbon Enigma, have you noticed the rear carbon arms becoming loose I.e with the adjustment clips fully closed? Mine is only a couple of years old and already has a heap of play.

Not sure if this is the the cause of the problem

I have a couple of enigma carbons (wave) and I was told by Mr Severne several years ago to always store your boom with the clips fully inserted / locked otherwise they might become loose over time. I haven't had a problem as I have followed this advice - but the headpiece does wobble and despite a couple of attempts to fix it it keeps happening.

Besides the adjustment clips, the main problem with the Severne boom is the headpiece. It was an improvement with respect to the HPL headpiece, but it is basically the same two bolts design with bigger bolts. The problem is that the same bolt that locks the headpiece on the boom is also the fulcrum of the lever, so you cannot tighten the bolt too much, the headpieces swivels around, grit gets in, and eventually play develops. You can put some thin tape around the boom head ... but it is a temporary fix. A secondary problem of the system is that eventually if you tighten the lever too much it starts to flex. You can see the plastic deforming a little ... probably of no consequence but a bit unnerving.

The way to go is to built a better headpiece, like Point-7 has done. Below is the head of my Carbon Pro 140-190. It is a three bolts design, with the fulcrum bolt independent on the tightening ones.


The Point-7 boom is, by the way, quite a masterpiece, with incredible attention to detail. Molded adjustment holes, tapered tail section (2 mm wider than the severne in the tail), slightly octagonal shape in the grip area, all the way to the boom lever that has two little holes to thread in the extra tightening rope for extra safety. Very happy about it! point-7.com/carbon-pro/?v=7516fd43adaa



This is the Severne headpiece, basically the same old HPL design with 8 mm bolts instead of 6. The bigger bolts solve the problem of the bolts eventually bending, like it happened with the HPL. But the design is flowed with the left bolt serving two functions: fulcrum and head tightening.

It looks like my main gripe so far with the Enigma is the plastic headpiece rounding out when you tighten it with barely any torque. Mine loosened significantly from purchase after some use, and first time tightening it I rounded some. I see that has been mentioned here and elsewhere.

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aeroegnr said..
It looks like my main gripe so far with the Enigma is the plastic headpiece rounding out when you tighten it with barely any torque. Mine loosened significantly from purchase after some use, and first time tightening it I rounded some. I see that has been mentioned here and elsewhere.

See above: it is a problem with the design. The headpiece is actually designed (if installed with the proper spacers) so that you cannot tighten above a certain preset, the bolt bottoms out. The reason is because if you were able to tighten it more then the hinge would not swivel any longer ... result is a loose tolerance connection that eventually gets worse with use.

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duzzi said..

aeroegnr said..
It looks like my main gripe so far with the Enigma is the plastic headpiece rounding out when you tighten it with barely any torque. Mine loosened significantly from purchase after some use, and first time tightening it I rounded some. I see that has been mentioned here and elsewhere.

See above: it is a problem with the design. The headpiece is actually designed (if installed with the proper spacers) so that you cannot tighten above a certain preset, the bolt bottoms out. The reason is because if you were able to tighten it more then the hinge would not swivel any longer ... result is a loose tolerance connection that eventually gets worse with use.

Hey Duzzi, Just a question on the Point-7. It looks like the Clamp lever hinge bolt is also the tightening bolt on that side? Then, on the "Gate" hinge side, there is a hinge bolt & a separate tightening bolt. But why not both? .... or am I seeing it wrong?

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duzzi said..

aeroegnr said..
It looks like my main gripe so far with the Enigma is the plastic headpiece rounding out when you tighten it with barely any torque. Mine loosened significantly from purchase after some use, and first time tightening it I rounded some. I see that has been mentioned here and elsewhere.

See above: it is a problem with the design. The headpiece is actually designed (if installed with the proper spacers) so that you cannot tighten above a certain preset, the bolt bottoms out. The reason is because if you were able to tighten it more then the hinge would not swivel any longer ... result is a loose tolerance connection that eventually gets worse with use.

Hey Duzzi, Just a question on the Point-7. It looks like the Clamp lever hinge bolt is also the tightening bolt on that side? Then, on the "Gate" hinge side, there is a hinge bolt & a separate tightening bolt. But why not both? .... or am I seeing it wrong?

Yes, the hinge of the "Gate" is the one with its own bolt. The gate is the door with the independent bolt securing the hinge and the lever is applying the force and latches on. But I am not completely sure about the physics involved. The forces applied act in opposite directions ... and .. see ... this what happens when you study physics but not engineering!!!!!!