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hoop said..

Outraged said..
For me the Windtech Silver Bullets, faster and more stable in all conditions especially in chop. Never had a Fox or a Rocket pass me and I'm only an average sailor and i see on this site they are only $2,600 full carbon compared to the Fox at $2,900

No worries, I'll race ya!

Can I come and watch?

Thank you for the feed back Hoops I allso have a 2018 105 now with cut outs only sailed couple time's so far with no issues so far but have you found the same control improvements on the 105 without cut outs ?

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hoop said..
Hi Nerdycross,
We did remove the cut outs from the Fox 95 as a running change. We're always working on these boards and testing different things that we find ourselves and also what we hear from feed back.
I did some back to back testing with cut outs and no cut outs. I gave these boards to others to test as well. The info that we got back was that in lighter wind it didn't make a very noticable difference. We found that in the stronger winds when you're pretty much on the edge it helped to stabalise the board and made it trim better. The Fox 95 is still very good with the cut outs. It was a good opportunity to make a small improvement along the way without having to build a whole new mold.
Hope your new board goes well for you.

Cheers, Hoops

Hoops, I assume you have the approved authority to comment on the design of the Fox 95 on behalf of the brand? If that is the case I wonder why there is not some mention in your Seabreeze profile of that authority? Are you Ben Severne, Ben Severne's brother, a tester, sponsored rider, major shareholder, CEO, BDM or what????

It is no small revelation that you are sharing IMO! Board brands have AFAIK made a big thing about tail cutouts as a significant design feature in the last few years. Each year changes to the cutouts are communicated as an enhancement to the previous year's design. To me, it is a huge revelation to hear a Brand suddenly declare that essentially they make **** all difference to performance! Your words above have made a complete mockery of the sort of spiel that one reads on the improvements that a brand is making to the next year's board design.

I subscribe to Windsurf magazine and particularly enjoy their board and sail tests and I generally take what they say in the board tests as gospel. Today I was reading the latest edition of the mag which includes a 115 freeride board test. The test included the 2019 120 ltr Severne Fox which featured tail cut outs. So, if I buy a 2019 120 litre Severne Fox will it have cut outs or not?? If it doesn't it is cheaper????

If I were Nerdycross I'd be pretty ****ing confused and pissed off to have received the board he has.

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Orange Whip said..

hoop said..
Hi Nerdycross,
We did remove the cut outs from the Fox 95 as a running change. We're always working on these boards and testing different things that we find ourselves and also what we hear from feed back.
I did some back to back testing with cut outs and no cut outs. I gave these boards to others to test as well. The info that we got back was that in lighter wind it didn't make a very noticable difference. We found that in the stronger winds when you're pretty much on the edge it helped to stabalise the board and made it trim better. The Fox 95 is still very good with the cut outs. It was a good opportunity to make a small improvement along the way without having to build a whole new mold.
Hope your new board goes well for you.

Cheers, Hoops

Hoops, I assume you have the approved authority to comment on the design of the Fox 95 on behalf of the brand? If that is the case I wonder why there is not some mention in your Seabreeze profile of that authority? Are you Ben Severne, Ben Severne's brother, a tester, sponsored rider, major shareholder, CEO, BDM or what????

It is no small revelation that you are sharing IMO! Board brands have AFAIK made a big thing about tail cutouts as a significant design feature in the last few years. Each year changes to the cutouts are communicated as an enhancement to the previous year's design. To me, it is a huge revelation to hear a Brand suddenly declare that essentially they make **** all difference to performance! Your words above have made a complete mockery of the sort of spiel that one reads on the improvements that a brand is making to the next year's board design.

I subscribe to Windsurf magazine and particularly enjoy their board and sail tests and I generally take what they say in the board tests as gospel. Today I was reading the latest edition of the mag which includes a 115 freeride board test. The test included the 2019 120 ltr Severne Fox which featured tail cut outs. So, if I buy a 2019 120 litre Severne Fox will it have cut outs or not?? If it doesn't it is cheaper????

If I were Nerdycross I'd be pretty ****ing confused and pissed off to have received the board he has.

Hoops, I assume you have the approved authority to comment on the design of the Fox 95 on behalf of the brand? If that is the case I wonder why there is not some mention in your Seabreeze profile of that authority? Are you Ben Severne, Ben Severne's brother, a tester, sponsored rider, major shareholder, CEO, BDM or what????
I'd say yes he does have the authority to say this.

It is no small revelation that you are sharing IMO! Board brands have AFAIK made a big thing about tail cutouts as a significant design feature in the last few years. Each year changes to the cutouts are communicated as an enhancement to the previous year's design. To me, it is a huge revelation to hear a Brand suddenly declare that essentially they make **** all difference to performance! Your words above have made a complete mockery of the sort of spiel that one reads on the improvements that a brand is making to the next year's board design.
please read carefully that this is a 95ltr high-ish wind board. high tech tail design is probably not that important.

I subscribe to Windsurf magazine and particularly enjoy their board and sail tests and I generally take what they say in the board tests as gospel. Today I was reading the latest edition of the mag which includes a 115 freeride board test. The test included the 2019 120 ltr Severne Fox which featured tail cut outs. So, if I buy a 2019 120 litre Severne Fox will it have cut outs or not?? If it doesn't it is cheaper????
A.. subscribe to that.. you obviously have money to waste(can't remember the last time I've read anything informative from them).
For an honest opinion, demo it yourself, or talk to the average punter on the beach
B.. see previous- 120ltr board would have probably have quite different design requirements in the tail area then a 95ltr board I'd think.

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dave.h said..

Orange Whip said..

hoop said..
Hi Nerdycross,
We did remove the cut outs from the Fox 95 as a running change. We're always working on these boards and testing different things that we find ourselves and also what we hear from feed back.
I did some back to back testing with cut outs and no cut outs. I gave these boards to others to test as well. The info that we got back was that in lighter wind it didn't make a very noticable difference. We found that in the stronger winds when you're pretty much on the edge it helped to stabalise the board and made it trim better. The Fox 95 is still very good with the cut outs. It was a good opportunity to make a small improvement along the way without having to build a whole new mold.
Hope your new board goes well for you.

Cheers, Hoops

Hoops, I assume you have the approved authority to comment on the design of the Fox 95 on behalf of the brand? If that is the case I wonder why there is not some mention in your Seabreeze profile of that authority? Are you Ben Severne, Ben Severne's brother, a tester, sponsored rider, major shareholder, CEO, BDM or what????

It is no small revelation that you are sharing IMO! Board brands have AFAIK made a big thing about tail cutouts as a significant design feature in the last few years. Each year changes to the cutouts are communicated as an enhancement to the previous year's design. To me, it is a huge revelation to hear a Brand suddenly declare that essentially they make **** all difference to performance! Your words above have made a complete mockery of the sort of spiel that one reads on the improvements that a brand is making to the next year's board design.

I subscribe to Windsurf magazine and particularly enjoy their board and sail tests and I generally take what they say in the board tests as gospel. Today I was reading the latest edition of the mag which includes a 115 freeride board test. The test included the 2019 120 ltr Severne Fox which featured tail cut outs. So, if I buy a 2019 120 litre Severne Fox will it have cut outs or not?? If it doesn't it is cheaper????

If I were Nerdycross I'd be pretty ****ing confused and pissed off to have received the board he has.

Hoops, I assume you have the approved authority to comment on the design of the Fox 95 on behalf of the brand? If that is the case I wonder why there is not some mention in your Seabreeze profile of that authority? Are you Ben Severne, Ben Severne's brother, a tester, sponsored rider, major shareholder, CEO, BDM or what????
I'd say yes he does have the authority to say this.

It is no small revelation that you are sharing IMO! Board brands have AFAIK made a big thing about tail cutouts as a significant design feature in the last few years. Each year changes to the cutouts are communicated as an enhancement to the previous year's design. To me, it is a huge revelation to hear a Brand suddenly declare that essentially they make **** all difference to performance! Your words above have made a complete mockery of the sort of spiel that one reads on the improvements that a brand is making to the next year's board design.
please read carefully that this is a 95ltr high-ish wind board. high tech tail design is probably not that important.

I subscribe to Windsurf magazine and particularly enjoy their board and sail tests and I generally take what they say in the board tests as gospel. Today I was reading the latest edition of the mag which includes a 115 freeride board test. The test included the 2019 120 ltr Severne Fox which featured tail cut outs. So, if I buy a 2019 120 litre Severne Fox will it have cut outs or not?? If it doesn't it is cheaper????
A.. subscribe to that.. you obviously have money to waste(can't remember the last time I've read anything informative from them).
For an honest opinion, demo it yourself, or talk to the average punter on the beach
B.. see previous- 120ltr board would have probably have quite different design requirements in the tail area then a 95ltr board I'd think.

I'd say yes he does have the authority to say this.
Sorry, with all due respect, who are you to talk on behalf of Hoops? I assume that is a speculative comment.

please read carefully that this is a 95ltr high-ish wind board. high tech tail design is probably not that important.
You've obviously missed the point, since when does a board brand decide willy nilly to change the design of a board mid-season? People are making their decision to purchase the board based on publicized specs. Did Severne specify that the 'tail design is probably not that important' when they publicized that it had tail cutouts?

A.. subscribe to that.. you obviously have money to waste(can't remember the last time I've read anything informative from them).
With all due respect, I would suggest that you are wasting your money if you are saying that the mag contains no useful information for you!

For an honest opinion, demo it yourself, or talk to the average punter on the beach
That's hilarious! None of my local board shops 1,000 kms away demo gear AFAIK, if they do they certainly don't advertise the fact. The average punter at my local numbers 1, hardly a source of information about new releases.

B.. see previous- 120ltr board would have probably have quite different design requirements in the tail area then a 95ltr board I'd think.
"I'd think"? what, you don't know?

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Orange Whip said..

dave.h said..

Orange Whip said..

hoop said..
Hi Nerdycross,
We did remove the cut outs from the Fox 95 as a running change. We're always working on these boards and testing different things that we find ourselves and also what we hear from feed back.
I did some back to back testing with cut outs and no cut outs. I gave these boards to others to test as well. The info that we got back was that in lighter wind it didn't make a very noticable difference. We found that in the stronger winds when you're pretty much on the edge it helped to stabalise the board and made it trim better. The Fox 95 is still very good with the cut outs. It was a good opportunity to make a small improvement along the way without having to build a whole new mold.
Hope your new board goes well for you.

Cheers, Hoops

Hoops, I assume you have the approved authority to comment on the design of the Fox 95 on behalf of the brand? If that is the case I wonder why there is not some mention in your Seabreeze profile of that authority? Are you Ben Severne, Ben Severne's brother, a tester, sponsored rider, major shareholder, CEO, BDM or what????

It is no small revelation that you are sharing IMO! Board brands have AFAIK made a big thing about tail cutouts as a significant design feature in the last few years. Each year changes to the cutouts are communicated as an enhancement to the previous year's design. To me, it is a huge revelation to hear a Brand suddenly declare that essentially they make **** all difference to performance! Your words above have made a complete mockery of the sort of spiel that one reads on the improvements that a brand is making to the next year's board design.

I subscribe to Windsurf magazine and particularly enjoy their board and sail tests and I generally take what they say in the board tests as gospel. Today I was reading the latest edition of the mag which includes a 115 freeride board test. The test included the 2019 120 ltr Severne Fox which featured tail cut outs. So, if I buy a 2019 120 litre Severne Fox will it have cut outs or not?? If it doesn't it is cheaper????

If I were Nerdycross I'd be pretty ****ing confused and pissed off to have received the board he has.

Hoops, I assume you have the approved authority to comment on the design of the Fox 95 on behalf of the brand? If that is the case I wonder why there is not some mention in your Seabreeze profile of that authority? Are you Ben Severne, Ben Severne's brother, a tester, sponsored rider, major shareholder, CEO, BDM or what????
I'd say yes he does have the authority to say this.

It is no small revelation that you are sharing IMO! Board brands have AFAIK made a big thing about tail cutouts as a significant design feature in the last few years. Each year changes to the cutouts are communicated as an enhancement to the previous year's design. To me, it is a huge revelation to hear a Brand suddenly declare that essentially they make **** all difference to performance! Your words above have made a complete mockery of the sort of spiel that one reads on the improvements that a brand is making to the next year's board design.
please read carefully that this is a 95ltr high-ish wind board. high tech tail design is probably not that important.

I subscribe to Windsurf magazine and particularly enjoy their board and sail tests and I generally take what they say in the board tests as gospel. Today I was reading the latest edition of the mag which includes a 115 freeride board test. The test included the 2019 120 ltr Severne Fox which featured tail cut outs. So, if I buy a 2019 120 litre Severne Fox will it have cut outs or not?? If it doesn't it is cheaper????
A.. subscribe to that.. you obviously have money to waste(can't remember the last time I've read anything informative from them).
For an honest opinion, demo it yourself, or talk to the average punter on the beach
B.. see previous- 120ltr board would have probably have quite different design requirements in the tail area then a 95ltr board I'd think.

I'd say yes he does have the authority to say this.
Sorry, with all due respect, who are you to talk on behalf of Hoops? I assume that is a speculative comment.

please read carefully that this is a 95ltr high-ish wind board. high tech tail design is probably not that important.
You've obviously missed the point, since when does a board brand decide willy nilly to change the design of a board mid-season? People are making their decision to purchase the board based on publicized specs. Did Severne specify that the 'tail design is probably not that important' when they publicized that it had tail cutouts?

A.. subscribe to that.. you obviously have money to waste(can't remember the last time I've read anything informative from them).
With all due respect, I would suggest that you are wasting your money if you are saying that the mag contains no useful information for you!

For an honest opinion, demo it yourself, or talk to the average punter on the beach
That's hilarious! None of my local board shops 1,000 kms away demo gear AFAIK, if they do they certainly don't advertise the fact. The average punter at my local numbers 1, hardly a source of information about new releases.

B.. see previous- 120ltr board would have probably have quite different design requirements in the tail area then a 95ltr board I'd think.
"I'd think"? what, you don't know?

late night booze fueled posting??

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dave.h said..

Orange Whip said..

dave.h said..

Orange Whip said..

hoop said..
Hi Nerdycross,
We did remove the cut outs from the Fox 95 as a running change. We're always working on these boards and testing different things that we find ourselves and also what we hear from feed back.
I did some back to back testing with cut outs and no cut outs. I gave these boards to others to test as well. The info that we got back was that in lighter wind it didn't make a very noticable difference. We found that in the stronger winds when you're pretty much on the edge it helped to stabalise the board and made it trim better. The Fox 95 is still very good with the cut outs. It was a good opportunity to make a small improvement along the way without having to build a whole new mold.
Hope your new board goes well for you.

Cheers, Hoops

Hoops, I assume you have the approved authority to comment on the design of the Fox 95 on behalf of the brand? If that is the case I wonder why there is not some mention in your Seabreeze profile of that authority? Are you Ben Severne, Ben Severne's brother, a tester, sponsored rider, major shareholder, CEO, BDM or what????

It is no small revelation that you are sharing IMO! Board brands have AFAIK made a big thing about tail cutouts as a significant design feature in the last few years. Each year changes to the cutouts are communicated as an enhancement to the previous year's design. To me, it is a huge revelation to hear a Brand suddenly declare that essentially they make **** all difference to performance! Your words above have made a complete mockery of the sort of spiel that one reads on the improvements that a brand is making to the next year's board design.

I subscribe to Windsurf magazine and particularly enjoy their board and sail tests and I generally take what they say in the board tests as gospel. Today I was reading the latest edition of the mag which includes a 115 freeride board test. The test included the 2019 120 ltr Severne Fox which featured tail cut outs. So, if I buy a 2019 120 litre Severne Fox will it have cut outs or not?? If it doesn't it is cheaper????

If I were Nerdycross I'd be pretty ****ing confused and pissed off to have received the board he has.

Hoops, I assume you have the approved authority to comment on the design of the Fox 95 on behalf of the brand? If that is the case I wonder why there is not some mention in your Seabreeze profile of that authority? Are you Ben Severne, Ben Severne's brother, a tester, sponsored rider, major shareholder, CEO, BDM or what????
I'd say yes he does have the authority to say this.

It is no small revelation that you are sharing IMO! Board brands have AFAIK made a big thing about tail cutouts as a significant design feature in the last few years. Each year changes to the cutouts are communicated as an enhancement to the previous year's design. To me, it is a huge revelation to hear a Brand suddenly declare that essentially they make **** all difference to performance! Your words above have made a complete mockery of the sort of spiel that one reads on the improvements that a brand is making to the next year's board design.
please read carefully that this is a 95ltr high-ish wind board. high tech tail design is probably not that important.

I subscribe to Windsurf magazine and particularly enjoy their board and sail tests and I generally take what they say in the board tests as gospel. Today I was reading the latest edition of the mag which includes a 115 freeride board test. The test included the 2019 120 ltr Severne Fox which featured tail cut outs. So, if I buy a 2019 120 litre Severne Fox will it have cut outs or not?? If it doesn't it is cheaper????
A.. subscribe to that.. you obviously have money to waste(can't remember the last time I've read anything informative from them).
For an honest opinion, demo it yourself, or talk to the average punter on the beach
B.. see previous- 120ltr board would have probably have quite different design requirements in the tail area then a 95ltr board I'd think.

I'd say yes he does have the authority to say this.
Sorry, with all due respect, who are you to talk on behalf of Hoops? I assume that is a speculative comment.

please read carefully that this is a 95ltr high-ish wind board. high tech tail design is probably not that important.
You've obviously missed the point, since when does a board brand decide willy nilly to change the design of a board mid-season? People are making their decision to purchase the board based on publicized specs. Did Severne specify that the 'tail design is probably not that important' when they publicized that it had tail cutouts?

A.. subscribe to that.. you obviously have money to waste(can't remember the last time I've read anything informative from them).
With all due respect, I would suggest that you are wasting your money if you are saying that the mag contains no useful information for you!

For an honest opinion, demo it yourself, or talk to the average punter on the beach
That's hilarious! None of my local board shops 1,000 kms away demo gear AFAIK, if they do they certainly don't advertise the fact. The average punter at my local numbers 1, hardly a source of information about new releases.

B.. see previous- 120ltr board would have probably have quite different design requirements in the tail area then a 95ltr board I'd think.
"I'd think"? what, you don't know?

late night booze fueled posting??

No worries, I'm hoping you'll understand the point I was trying to convey when you sober up.

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Orange Whip said..

dave.h said..

Orange Whip said..

dave.h said..

Orange Whip said..

hoop said..
Hi Nerdycross,
We did remove the cut outs from the Fox 95 as a running change. We're always working on these boards and testing different things that we find ourselves and also what we hear from feed back.
I did some back to back testing with cut outs and no cut outs. I gave these boards to others to test as well. The info that we got back was that in lighter wind it didn't make a very noticable difference. We found that in the stronger winds when you're pretty much on the edge it helped to stabalise the board and made it trim better. The Fox 95 is still very good with the cut outs. It was a good opportunity to make a small improvement along the way without having to build a whole new mold.
Hope your new board goes well for you.

Cheers, Hoops

Hoops, I assume you have the approved authority to comment on the design of the Fox 95 on behalf of the brand? If that is the case I wonder why there is not some mention in your Seabreeze profile of that authority? Are you Ben Severne, Ben Severne's brother, a tester, sponsored rider, major shareholder, CEO, BDM or what????

It is no small revelation that you are sharing IMO! Board brands have AFAIK made a big thing about tail cutouts as a significant design feature in the last few years. Each year changes to the cutouts are communicated as an enhancement to the previous year's design. To me, it is a huge revelation to hear a Brand suddenly declare that essentially they make **** all difference to performance! Your words above have made a complete mockery of the sort of spiel that one reads on the improvements that a brand is making to the next year's board design.

I subscribe to Windsurf magazine and particularly enjoy their board and sail tests and I generally take what they say in the board tests as gospel. Today I was reading the latest edition of the mag which includes a 115 freeride board test. The test included the 2019 120 ltr Severne Fox which featured tail cut outs. So, if I buy a 2019 120 litre Severne Fox will it have cut outs or not?? If it doesn't it is cheaper????

If I were Nerdycross I'd be pretty ****ing confused and pissed off to have received the board he has.

Hoops, I assume you have the approved authority to comment on the design of the Fox 95 on behalf of the brand? If that is the case I wonder why there is not some mention in your Seabreeze profile of that authority? Are you Ben Severne, Ben Severne's brother, a tester, sponsored rider, major shareholder, CEO, BDM or what????
I'd say yes he does have the authority to say this.

It is no small revelation that you are sharing IMO! Board brands have AFAIK made a big thing about tail cutouts as a significant design feature in the last few years. Each year changes to the cutouts are communicated as an enhancement to the previous year's design. To me, it is a huge revelation to hear a Brand suddenly declare that essentially they make **** all difference to performance! Your words above have made a complete mockery of the sort of spiel that one reads on the improvements that a brand is making to the next year's board design.
please read carefully that this is a 95ltr high-ish wind board. high tech tail design is probably not that important.

I subscribe to Windsurf magazine and particularly enjoy their board and sail tests and I generally take what they say in the board tests as gospel. Today I was reading the latest edition of the mag which includes a 115 freeride board test. The test included the 2019 120 ltr Severne Fox which featured tail cut outs. So, if I buy a 2019 120 litre Severne Fox will it have cut outs or not?? If it doesn't it is cheaper????
A.. subscribe to that.. you obviously have money to waste(can't remember the last time I've read anything informative from them).
For an honest opinion, demo it yourself, or talk to the average punter on the beach
B.. see previous- 120ltr board would have probably have quite different design requirements in the tail area then a 95ltr board I'd think.

I'd say yes he does have the authority to say this.
Sorry, with all due respect, who are you to talk on behalf of Hoops? I assume that is a speculative comment.

please read carefully that this is a 95ltr high-ish wind board. high tech tail design is probably not that important.
You've obviously missed the point, since when does a board brand decide willy nilly to change the design of a board mid-season? People are making their decision to purchase the board based on publicized specs. Did Severne specify that the 'tail design is probably not that important' when they publicized that it had tail cutouts?

A.. subscribe to that.. you obviously have money to waste(can't remember the last time I've read anything informative from them).
With all due respect, I would suggest that you are wasting your money if you are saying that the mag contains no useful information for you!

For an honest opinion, demo it yourself, or talk to the average punter on the beach
That's hilarious! None of my local board shops 1,000 kms away demo gear AFAIK, if they do they certainly don't advertise the fact. The average punter at my local numbers 1, hardly a source of information about new releases.

B.. see previous- 120ltr board would have probably have quite different design requirements in the tail area then a 95ltr board I'd think.
"I'd think"? what, you don't know?

late night booze fueled posting??

No worries, I'm hoping you'll understand the point I was trying to convey when you sober up.

sorry... was not talkin' bout me

Re Hoop, I know him personally, best he answers some questions himself. What I will say about Hoop is that he is highly regarded in the Windsurf industry as a shaper and designer. Another highly regarded designer in windsurfing is Chris Lockwood, and he hasnt used cut-outs on his speed boards which have achieved the production board world speed record.

Re Cut-outs my understanding from discussion is as follows:
1. You can achieve the reduced wetted surface area and same effects of cut-outs by producing/building a narrower tail design on the board.
2. Where cut-outs make sense is when you want a wider tail board for various reasons such as large boards, race boards, ergonomics, leverage, upwind performance, more parallel rails etc, then the only way to reduce skin friction and reduced wetted area is cut-outs.

My understanding of the Severne Fox Boards, having spoken to Ian Fox is that the design concept was all about making the most comfortable board for choppy conditions, that still had performance credentials. Eg a high rockered & high vee, with rounded rails wave board, is great in chop but slow. In this design brief I can see how cut-outs are probably less useful as a narrower tail is probably more useful in choppy conditions.

Apparently, for port phillip (bay) horrible choppy waters, the severne fox is proving to be a very popular board and selling well in Melbourne.

I guess my initial surprise hardie and confusion is the fact that I had expected the 2019 fox 95 to come with the same cut outs as my fox 105 having not been informed of any change in design or tweak in shape of the 95 fox by severen and had seen a 2019 fox 95 posted on utube with cut outs . My first though was that there had been a cock up in production process because such a big change in design would have been on severen website and made clear when I purchased, so can it be a knee jerk reaction or as I've been told just evolution?. I have been sailing longer than can remember and quite understand how little tweaks can change but I will soon be putting it in water and raging it so will give feed back then. I just hope it will keep up with my son's starship!

Hi Orange Whip,
Apologies for upsetting you so much. To answer your questions, yes I am the shaper for Severne.
I thought I explained the concept of running changes well enough but I guess you didn't understand it.
I did not say cut outs make **** all difference, I said in this particular board they made less difference in lighter winds and a noticeable difference in stronger winds.
There is a lot of difference between the tail area of a 140 litre board to a 95 litre board so hence the different size and shape of cut outs for each different board size.
I'm sure Nerdycross will enjoy his new board.

Cheers , Hoops

I'd like to apologise to James Hooper, Severne board shaper/designer for my comments on this thread last night. I in no way meant to personally attack James or the Severne brand. If that's how it came across then I apologise for that.

Thanks James for the PM setting me straight.

I wish you every success for the future.

Cheers mate

Oh and just for the record. Hardie's explanation of how cut outs work is pretty much spot on.

^^^^^ these last few posts are classics, thank you. I enjoyed muchly.

Since windsurfing began manufacturers have claimed to be 10% faster this year, 18% lighter than last year, soooo easy to gybe, handles better than ever before etc etc. So if you did all the sums, the latest boards should pretty much sail n sell themselves. Why then is the industry declining? Too technical? Priced out of the market? Honestly if you believed all the sales pitch, Ya dreaming!! Its all about what works for the individual on the water.
Disclaimer- no alcohol or drugs were used in this post.

Hi James,
I'm a big fan of the fox (and of Ian too !!! LOL) demoed them, loved them, didn't buy one.... why ?? Power box fin !!

When you have sooooo many tuttle fins in your quiver, you'd like to keep them and be able to use them both on your slalom board and on you "chop blasting" board.

Fanatic did the move from pb to tuttle on their chop/fast board.

Have you considered it and what's the reason behind the use of the power box on such a board ?

cheers
sean

Your situation having tt box fins is not the same for everyone.
Not everyone has a slalom board.
And there is only one screw to do up.

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olskool said..
Since windsurfing began manufacturers have claimed to be 10% faster this year, 18% lighter than last year, soooo easy to gybe, handles better than ever before etc etc. So if you did all the sums, the latest boards should pretty much sail n sell themselves. Why then is the industry declining? Too technical? Priced out of the market? Honestly if you believed all the sales pitch, Ya dreaming!! Its all about what works for the individual on the water.
Disclaimer- no alcohol or drugs were used in this post.

What bugs me is they say faster but with no evidence to back it up, they say easier to use again how are they testing this and where's the evidence, they say lighter and is it really aiming this at Severne and there Overdrive M2, I have a 8.6 M1 and M2 and after finding some accurate scales I can say it's not lighter

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hardie said..
the design concept was all about making the most comfortable board for choppy conditions, that still had performance credentials.

Has any manufacturer considered a return to poly construction to corner the market of ageing sailboarders? Back in the day when we transitioned from poly to composite construction we were a lot younger. We took the tangy ride in our stride. The performance felt crisp and fast. ( No gps back then ).

Flex absorbs energy, and reading between the lines the manufacturers sort of let on that inflatables aren't as fast as composites. I bet the ride is smooth though? Maybe poly is a good in between compromise. Anyway, don't blame the manufacturers. We're the buyers, they know what sells. Tabou Rockets and 3ss also have clean rear ends for 2019. We'll see if they continue to sell well.

25 years ago I had a carbon composite slalom board which was lighter than anyth8ng now which took years of abuse with out a single ding or vent plug. Imagine that!

Carbon must of got weaker over the years, we don't need poly just some of that old fashion carbon

Yep id rather see boards built , Form fit for Function. Who cares if its .5kg heavier?

A few years ago I called into Burford Blanks at Currumbin, the only sailboard blank they were making was the 270 Wave for a mainly WA. All other moulds had been destroyed due to no sales.

jezz - you guys are fired up.

Nerdycross - enjoy the 95, its a great board, they're aren't going to make any changes that are going to be negative. I'd quite happily swap my V1 95 for your v2 95 if you want

If you compare the 95 and 105 side by side there's big differences in rocker line and V, this is were the secrets are to performance and handling are.

If you sail in the open ocean, try your 95 on the single back strap and the front on the inside settings. This a great board in the air and a lot of fun in a 4-6m swell when you float off the back of that monster

Update on my first few sessions on my fox 95 (without tail cut outs). Have set foot straps front out and back rear straps back and in one session was on 6 mtr NCX 18 to 20 mph wind in chop board fast but over lively. Next season was 5 mtr gator blowing 26 mph and angry chop one again very manic to control the 95 felt to big so jumped on 94 RRD and was controllable. I am goin move front straps forward one notch for next hammer time and try get control at manic moments. The 95 feels big maxed out on 5 mtr with my 82 kilos. I'm goin come down to 28 fin next big day and hopefully moving front straps forward will calm foxy down. Am stoked with the speed tho was insane top end passing just about all on the water that day I think (most time had eyes closed ) scared
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Update on my first few sessions on my fox 95 (without tail cut outs). Have set foot straps front out and back rear straps back and in one session was on 6 mtr NCX 18 to 20 mph wind in chop board fast but over lively. Next season was 5 mtr gator blowing 26 mph and angry chop one again very manic to control the 95 felt to big so jumped on 94 RRD and was controllable. I am goin move front straps forward one notch for next hammer time and try get control at manic moments. The 95 feels big maxed out on 5 mtr with my 82 kilos. I'm goin come down to 28 fin next big day and hopefully moving front straps forward will calm foxy down. Am stoked with the speed tho was insane top end passing just about all on the water that day I think (most time had eyes closed ) scared
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A 5.0 is quite a small sail for the 95 if you are powered up, as its a lot faster than a FSW board so every thing is coming at you faster. I'm into a 85L board when I hit 5.0m weather.

I use the inside foot strap positions for both the front and back straps and the middle hole of the 3 screw holes. I've played around with all the positions and found this works the best for me (I'm 88kg/183cm). I have quite narrow feet and I find the screw holes quite wide at 155mm, so I've flipped the foot strap in-cert around to narrow the strap up, so I can get more foot connection with the strap and pad (Less having to curl the front toes up) . Seems more of an issue on the front foot straps for me. Hope this helps

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nerdycross said..
Update on my first few sessions on my fox 95 (without tail cut outs). Have set foot straps front out and back rear straps back and in one session was on 6 mtr NCX 18 to 20 mph wind in chop board fast but over lively. Next season was 5 mtr gator blowing 26 mph and angry chop one again very manic to control the 95 felt to big so jumped on 94 RRD and was controllable. I am goin move front straps forward one notch for next hammer time and try get control at manic moments. The 95 feels big maxed out on 5 mtr with my 82 kilos. I'm goin come down to 28 fin next big day and hopefully moving front straps forward will calm foxy down. Am stoked with the speed tho was insane top end passing just about all on the water that day I think (most time had eyes closed ) scared
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A 5.0 is quite a small sail for the 95 if you are powered up, as its a lot faster than a FSW board so every thing is coming at you faster. I'm into a 85L board when I hit 5.0m weather.

I use the inside foot strap positions for both the front and back straps and the middle hole of the 3 screw holes. I've played around with all the positions and found this works the best for me (I'm 88kg/183cm). I have quite narrow feet and I find the screw holes quite wide at 155mm, so I've flipped the foot strap in-cert around to narrow the strap up, so I can get more foot connection with the strap and pad (Less having to curl the front toes up) . Seems more of an issue on the front foot straps for me. Hope this helps

Thanks for feedback KJ totally agree maxed 5mtr on the 95 is pushing it . When real powered up think will just jump on RRD but it's early days on set up yet only sailed fox four times so far and been big wind days But think it is goin be 6 and 5 mtr days on the fox. I found the 105 quite big too for a 105 it takes 7.5 NCX no problem with my weight but is fast board too.

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I wouldn't jump a future, the new ones are basically a isonic with a bit more Vee. In the past I've had a Futura 111, 101 and a 93 [2014-2015] models. They were good at that time but the Fox is better at everything, however on dead flat water because of its deep Vee it doesn't have that chat-ery feel of a slalom but its speeds aren't that much slower. The Fanatic blast is slightly faster than fox in flatter water but again not as easy to ride in nasty chop. The gap between the 95 at 61 wide and 105 at 65 wide works well for me, my weight 82 kg.
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Sounds like you have a good selection of toys ,if in same conditions and board size how would the 95 compare to the futura.

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Hroar said..
I wouldn't jump a future, the new ones are basically a isonic with a bit more Vee. In the past I've had a Futura 111, 101 and a 93 [2014-2015] models. They were good at that time but the Fox is better at everything, however on dead flat water because of its deep Vee it doesn't have that chat-ery feel of a slalom but its speeds aren't that much slower. The Fanatic blast is slightly faster than fox in flatter water but again not as easy to ride in nasty chop. The gap between the 95 at 61 wide and 105 at 65 wide works well for me, my weight 82 kg.
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Sounds like you have a good selection of toys ,if in same conditions and board size how would the 95 compare to the futura.

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Update on my first few sessions on my fox 95 (without tail cut outs). Have set foot straps front out and back rear straps back and in one session was on 6 mtr NCX 18 to 20 mph wind in chop board fast but over lively. Next season was 5 mtr gator blowing 26 mph and angry chop one again very manic to control the 95 felt to big so jumped on 94 RRD and was controllable. I am goin move front straps forward one notch for next hammer time and try get control at manic moments. The 95 feels big maxed out on 5 mtr with my 82 kilos. I'm goin come down to 28 fin next big day and hopefully moving front straps forward will calm foxy down. Am stoked with the speed tho was insane top end passing just about all on the water that day I think (most time had eyes closed ) scared
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I am vaguely considering a Fox 95 for San Francisco Bay Area 15-20 knots conditions, but at 70-72Kg, the target sails are 5.8 and 6.5 Point-7 ACX, maybe 5.4 ACX just because I was sent one and it is floating around the basement. If it is more than 20 knots (or even less) I am on 5.0 and Starboard FSW 81L. Comparing boards the Fox 95 seems "big", it is of similar target sails of my now defunct Carbon Art SL 100 (width 58), Exocet Warp 90/RS 2, or any slalomish board in the 60-62 width range, not really boards to put a 5.0 on ...