I figure I will write my thoughts down here while it's still fresh on my mind.

I'm somewhere in the intermediate range of windsurfer. I restarted last June/July after having taught myself a few years back. I've progressed a LOT since I restarted, and am probably 10x better than I ever was before I took a several year break. That said, I have still not completed a fully planing jibe (but I have entered planing and exited sub-planing to then get back planing on both 145L and 115L boards), nor a foiling jibe. But, I feel it's very close now, at least a foiling jibe. Part of this is local conditions, which was a lot of the reasoning in putting the money down for the full IQFoil kit. Summers here in FL aren't that windy except when storms roll through, but evening seabreezes that are pumpable for a big sail on a foil are very, very frequent.

I weigh about 85kg now (185ish lbs depending on the day), in pretty good shape, and didn't have much of a problem with the kit other than uphauling the sail with a luff sleeve full of water. I'll probably start just waterstarting the big 9.0 4 cam sail soon just to save some energy. It really, really sucks to uphaul that sail. I've waterstarted the slingshot kit when it was high enough wind, but I haven't bothered yet with the 9.0 just due to the size and complication of getting all that water in the luff sleeve. But, I hate pulling that sail up, honestly, and I think waterstarting it if the wind is there will be a better move.

The board is fairly durable. Within the first week I had cracked the nose a couple times in some gnarly catapults, which were my fault for beam reaching in gusty conditions somewhere in the 15-20kt range. But, those didn't soften up the nose and appear to be watertight, so I'm not too worried. My crashes have (mostly) been more benign since then, except for losing control downwind in a 26kt or so gust that sent my hip straight into the mast, which I am still sore from and which is why I didn't go out today, just to give myself some time to heal up a little more.

I've put a LOT of sessions on this thing in the month I've had it. It's hard to resist because I don't need multiple sails, I don't really need to think too much about the conditions, I just load one board one foil one mast one sail and GO. I've ridden in everything from ~8kts or so to over 26kt wind in that time, at least a dozen sessions. Top speed so far has been about 25mph.

This whole kit exaggerates my windsurfing weaknesses and forces me to find a solution. I cannot blame a mismatched kit or suboptimal board like I could with my freeride (slingshot) foil and hybrid board (Blast 145). It's all on me, because these kits have enormous capability.

Here's what I've learned so far, in a month:
*I was mainly mowing the lawn when windsurfing, except when catching waves on the dyno. I was blowing up on the IQ by trying to beam reach in 20kt gusts, going as far to go to the -1deg shim with a very forward mast foot. This was wrong and me being dumb
*I have since learned to go deep upwind or deep downwind with a 0deg shim and central mast foot, in up to the above mentioned 26kt or so gusts. I still have some stability issues going downwind but my fear of turning that way is much less than it was
*I have learned to zig zag up and downwind in order to reach a set bearing without getting too much lift
*I have gotten a lot better at riding the harness, but I think I still need some tweaks to keep my heart rate from going almost to 200bpm while screaming around
*I have gotten much better at rigging a 4cam sail by adjusting downhaul for getting the cams on there easily without wasting too much time
*I'm trying to get better at adjusting outhaul, and someone told me that it's pretty much necessary for this kit and I understand why now
*I've learned to pump to foil in about 8kts wind, maybe a bit more, and found it extremely rewarding. It's much easier to pump than the slingshot/blast combo due to the width and volume distribution of the board
*I started with all 6 straps (adding the 2 extra downwind/chick straps), but have since moved to only 4 straps by removing the chicken straps. I did like the feeling of chicken straps when going downwind, but also like the freedom of moving my feet when downwind. I'm not sure on this. I hear lots of people don't bother with the chicken straps at all. It would be interesting to know what others think here.
*Almost all of my setup now is mast foot in the center and 0deg shim. I may start using -0.5deg in 15kt or so wind, or -1deg when it's really howling, just to get some more speed and see what it can do. I just handle gusts by looking ahead and adjusting my angle to the wind. It's easy to go too far upwind and slap around not fully foiling, then bear off to get back flying and angling the board more. Downwind is more touchy, but I think I'll eventually get it.

This whole kit is actually fairly easy to ride. Due to the sail stability, that hasn't been a large of a factor compared to my freeride sails. No twitchiness. It's all been in riding the foil. I don't think that this kit feels very difficult to jibe on the foil, either, I just have to overcome my fear. It's intimidating being up there 2-3ft above the water and just committing to the turn. I feel like I'm right there, I just need to dedicate a session to it.

Also, I want to note that the shape of this board makes it VERY forgiving to overfoils. I've ridden out some crazy out of control situations when the foil gets aerated or even jumps out of the water, and somehow come crashing down without catapulting, many times. I still do get into irrecoverable situations, but I'm amazed at how well it recovers. It takes a lot of the fear of overfoils out of the situation. If it's not too gnarly, I'm going to have the whole thing back in shape fairly quickly.

All in all, I've put some serious time and miles on this since I picked it up a month ago. I really like having a dedicated race foil and board, with matching sail, to eliminate everything from the equation other than my ability to rig/trim and my own skills and tactics. Hopefully I'll be landing some foiling jibes soon, meaning that I'll actually be able to attend a local race at some point and then keep pushing harder.

Some videos I took recently to give you an idea (or maybe some chuckles or comments?)...


Here's me chasing down a regatta just recently:


Here's a jibe attempt where I did a few things wrong:

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aeroegnr said..
I figure I will write my thoughts down here while it's still fresh on my mind.

I'm somewhere in the intermediate range of windsurfer. I restarted last June/July after having taught myself a few years back. I've progressed a LOT since I restarted, and am probably 10x better than I ever was before I took a several year break. That said, I have still not completed a fully planing jibe (but I have entered planing and exited sub-planing to then get back planing on both 145L and 115L boards), nor a foiling jibe. But, I feel it's very close now, at least a foiling jibe. Part of this is local conditions, which was a lot of the reasoning in putting the money down for the full IQFoil kit. Summers here in FL aren't that windy except when storms roll through, but evening seabreezes that are pumpable for a big sail on a foil are very, very frequent.

I weigh about 85kg now (185ish lbs depending on the day), in pretty good shape, and didn't have much of a problem with the kit other than uphauling the sail with a luff sleeve full of water. I'll probably start just waterstarting the big 9.0 4 cam sail soon just to save some energy. It really, really sucks to uphaul that sail. I've waterstarted the slingshot kit when it was high enough wind, but I haven't bothered yet with the 9.0 just due to the size and complication of getting all that water in the luff sleeve. But, I hate pulling that sail up, honestly, and I think waterstarting it if the wind is there will be a better move.

The board is fairly durable. Within the first week I had cracked the nose a couple times in some gnarly catapults, which were my fault for beam reaching in gusty conditions somewhere in the 15-20kt range. But, those didn't soften up the nose and appear to be watertight, so I'm not too worried. My crashes have (mostly) been more benign since then, except for losing control downwind in a 26kt or so gust that sent my hip straight into the mast, which I am still sore from and which is why I didn't go out today, just to give myself some time to heal up a little more.

I've put a LOT of sessions on this thing in the month I've had it. It's hard to resist because I don't need multiple sails, I don't really need to think too much about the conditions, I just load one board one foil one mast one sail and GO. I've ridden in everything from ~8kts or so to over 26kt wind in that time, at least a dozen sessions. Top speed so far has been about 25mph.

This whole kit exaggerates my windsurfing weaknesses and forces me to find a solution. I cannot blame a mismatched kit or suboptimal board like I could with my freeride (slingshot) foil and hybrid board (Blast 145). It's all on me, because these kits have enormous capability.

Here's what I've learned so far, in a month:
*I was mainly mowing the lawn when windsurfing, except when catching waves on the dyno. I was blowing up on the IQ by trying to beam reach in 20kt gusts, going as far to go to the -1deg shim with a very forward mast foot. This was wrong and me being dumb
*I have since learned to go deep upwind or deep downwind with a 0deg shim and central mast foot, in up to the above mentioned 26kt or so gusts. I still have some stability issues going downwind but my fear of turning that way is much less than it was
*I have learned to zig zag up and downwind in order to reach a set bearing without getting too much lift
*I have gotten a lot better at riding the harness, but I think I still need some tweaks to keep my heart rate from going almost to 200bpm while screaming around
*I have gotten much better at rigging a 4cam sail by adjusting downhaul for getting the cams on there easily without wasting too much time
*I'm trying to get better at adjusting outhaul, and someone told me that it's pretty much necessary for this kit and I understand why now
*I've learned to pump to foil in about 8kts wind, maybe a bit more, and found it extremely rewarding. It's much easier to pump than the slingshot/blast combo due to the width and volume distribution of the board
*I started with all 6 straps (adding the 2 extra downwind/chick straps), but have since moved to only 4 straps by removing the chicken straps. I did like the feeling of chicken straps when going downwind, but also like the freedom of moving my feet when downwind. I'm not sure on this. I hear lots of people don't bother with the chicken straps at all. It would be interesting to know what others think here.
*Almost all of my setup now is mast foot in the center and 0deg shim. I may start using -0.5deg in 15kt or so wind, or -1deg when it's really howling, just to get some more speed and see what it can do. I just handle gusts by looking ahead and adjusting my angle to the wind. It's easy to go too far upwind and slap around not fully foiling, then bear off to get back flying and angling the board more. Downwind is more touchy, but I think I'll eventually get it.

This whole kit is actually fairly easy to ride. Due to the sail stability, that hasn't been a large of a factor compared to my freeride sails. No twitchiness. It's all been in riding the foil. I don't think that this kit feels very difficult to jibe on the foil, either, I just have to overcome my fear. It's intimidating being up there 2-3ft above the water and just committing to the turn. I feel like I'm right there, I just need to dedicate a session to it.

Also, I want to note that the shape of this board makes it VERY forgiving to overfoils. I've ridden out some crazy out of control situations when the foil gets aerated or even jumps out of the water, and somehow come crashing down without catapulting, many times. I still do get into irrecoverable situations, but I'm amazed at how well it recovers. It takes a lot of the fear of overfoils out of the situation. If it's not too gnarly, I'm going to have the whole thing back in shape fairly quickly.

All in all, I've put some serious time and miles on this since I picked it up a month ago. I really like having a dedicated race foil and board, with matching sail, to eliminate everything from the equation other than my ability to rig/trim and my own skills and tactics. Hopefully I'll be landing some foiling jibes soon, meaning that I'll actually be able to attend a local race at some point and then keep pushing harder.

Some videos I took recently to give you an idea (or maybe some chuckles or comments?)...


Here's me chasing down a regatta just recently:

Here's a jibe attempt where I did a few things wrong:

Great review, thanks for taking the effort

Don't hesitate to pull more outhaul than they recommend (with moderation) and to try to sail with longer lines when the wind picks up.
Also, you can move the front foot strap forward (and keep the rear footstraps at the same spot) to have more control if you need to.
I found that having a wide stance helps a lot.
When it's really light, you can move the mast track back a bit.

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jusavina said..
Don't hesitate to pull more outhaul than they recommend (with moderation) and to try to sail with longer lines when the wind picks up.
Also, you can move the front foot strap forward (and keep the rear footstraps at the same spot) to have more control if you need to.
I found that having a wide stance helps a lot.
When it's really light, you can move the mast track back a bit.

Thank you! I may end up adjusting the fronts. I'm still playing with harness line length a bit. I've been tightening them on upwind, but will likely start going back to hanging out further with longer lines to ease up on my arm pressure some. Really glad I had already grabbed adjustable lines...

My boom has been either at 234 or 236 (marks on the sail are for 232) with quite a bit of outhaul pulled on the gusty days. I want to experiment more with loosening the outhaul some going downwind as I wonder how that will affect stability (supposedly better).

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azymuth said..


Great review, thanks for taking the effort

Thank you!

Chasing down sailboat video, you were hitting the chop a lot, would focus on having a level flight, faster and more comfortable. Are you using back foot pressure to keep board nose up and getting tired and so hitting the chop?

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Sandman1221 said..
Chasing down sailboat video, you were hitting the chop a lot, would focus on having a level flight, faster and more comfortable. Are you using back foot pressure to keep board nose up and getting tired and so hitting the chop?

Yes on that day my legs were quite achy from working out and being on the water a lot. I didn't have my foot back quite far enough to keep from burning my hamstring.

However, this weekend I went in very flat water shifting to chop if I got out of protection and leveled up. Also, one of the guys here also has an IQFoil kit and we sailed for a bit together towards the middle of this video.

I'm quite exhausted having gone out 4-5 times this week (would have to check, it was a lot), but 3hrs each Sat & Sun with a lot of pumping in light winds.

I'm getting comfortable entering jibes without crashing, but now trying to figure out how to stay on foil and time the rig flip/feet. It's been close a few times (don't think this video shows the best, I have hours of footage and not as much time to edit).


The only problem with the kit so far is the last fuselage insert on the front wing is screwed up. I have a shortened bolt to keep from engaging the screwed up part at the bottom, but it was destroying the last 2 threads of any bolt put in there. Also likely going to keep the fuse and wings assembled, wish I had room in my car for the mast to stay on too but I don't. Going to clean it off real good then apply tefgel.

Looks lovely, would really like to get a run in the IQ kit to see what it's like but they're not really taking off over here in Ireland yet.

Little observation on the gybe entry, try keeping the front arm a little more extended on the way in. This keeps the rig more upright and centred over the board, also gives more room between you and the boom to help pivot the rig through the backwinding caused by the apparent wind in the middle of the gybe. Having the back hand a touch further back could also help, the cleat for the adj outhaul looks around where I would put my hand so maybe just behind it?

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Sandman1221 said..
Chasing down sailboat video, you were hitting the chop a lot, would focus on having a level flight, faster and more comfortable. Are you using back foot pressure to keep board nose up and getting tired and so hitting the chop?

Yes on that day my legs were quite achy from working out and being on the water a lot. I didn't have my foot back quite far enough to keep from burning my hamstring.

However, this weekend I went in very flat water shifting to chop if I got out of protection and leveled up. Also, one of the guys here also has an IQFoil kit and we sailed for a bit together towards the middle of this video.

I'm quite exhausted having gone out 4-5 times this week (would have to check, it was a lot), but 3hrs each Sat & Sun with a lot of pumping in light winds.

I'm getting comfortable entering jibes without crashing, but now trying to figure out how to stay on foil and time the rig flip/feet. It's been close a few times (don't think this video shows the best, I have hours of footage and not as much time to edit).


The only problem with the kit so far is the last fuselage insert on the front wing is screwed up. I have a shortened bolt to keep from engaging the screwed up part at the bottom, but it was destroying the last 2 threads of any bolt put in there. Also likely going to keep the fuse and wings assembled, wish I had room in my car for the mast to stay on too but I don't. Going to clean it off real good then apply tefgel.

I would get the bolt in the wing cleaned up with a thread tap, or if it was that way new, go back to the dealer and get a replacement wing.

I rarely pump, it takes too much energy, have you tried moving your mast base back more to get a more balanced stance and not have to use so much back foot pressure? when in flight you should have a neutral stance in regards to front and rear foot pressure, and left and right hand/arms on the boom. Then it is close to effortless in fairly steady winds.

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I would get the bolt in the wing cleaned up with a thread tap, or if it was that way new, go back to the dealer and get a replacement wing.

I rarely pump, it takes too much energy, have you tried moving your mast base back more to get a more balanced stance and not have to use so much back foot pressure? when in flight you should have a neutral stance in regards to front and rear foot pressure, and left and right hand/arms on the boom. Then it is close to effortless in fairly steady winds.

Yeah that's what they did with the tap. The wing is fine, it's the fuse. There's 4 screws so I'm not *that* worried about it...

The problem with the stance was I had done some heavy deadlifts the day before and my hamstrings were already kind of sore and I was not getting my rear foot back enough out of habit. Since then, I moved the back foot further aft and it was a lot more comfortable. Even when riding quite a bit away from launch this weekend a few times because it was more comfortable until I hit a lull and needed to point higher to stay away from the shallows.

It's more of a problem when going deep upwind or downwind in light wind. I need that extra back foot pressure to get a better angle. In med to higher wind it isn't the same issue. I generally keep the mast base in the center now with the 0deg shim because it seems to cover a huge range, and I'm out long enough that the wind shift puts me at a different trim anyways. I just compensate. Sometimes tweak outhaul. We'll see today when the winds are fairly high when I go out again after work.

I have gotten a lot more aggressive with pumping, and even playing around with grabbing the uphaul immediately after release to get the sail more vertical. It has definitely helped accelerate in really low wind. My fitness just keeps getting better.

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Sandman1221 said..

I would get the bolt in the wing cleaned up with a thread tap, or if it was that way new, go back to the dealer and get a replacement wing.

I rarely pump, it takes too much energy, have you tried moving your mast base back more to get a more balanced stance and not have to use so much back foot pressure? when in flight you should have a neutral stance in regards to front and rear foot pressure, and left and right hand/arms on the boom. Then it is close to effortless in fairly steady winds.

Yeah that's what they did with the tap. The wing is fine, it's the fuse. There's 4 screws so I'm not *that* worried about it...

The problem with the stance was I had done some heavy deadlifts the day before and my hamstrings were already kind of sore and I was not getting my rear foot back enough out of habit. Since then, I moved the back foot further aft and it was a lot more comfortable. Even when riding quite a bit away from launch this weekend a few times because it was more comfortable until I hit a lull and needed to point higher to stay away from the shallows.

It's more of a problem when going deep upwind or downwind in light wind. I need that extra back foot pressure to get a better angle. In med to higher wind it isn't the same issue. I generally keep the mast base in the center now with the 0deg shim because it seems to cover a huge range, and I'm out long enough that the wind shift puts me at a different trim anyways. I just compensate. Sometimes tweak outhaul. We'll see today when the winds are fairly high when I go out again after work.

I have gotten a lot more aggressive with pumping, and even playing around with grabbing the uphaul immediately after release to get the sail more vertical. It has definitely helped accelerate in really low wind. My fitness just keeps getting better.

Staying hooked in helps to conserve energy. But if I adjust my outhaul enough I have to adjust my line position on the boom to stay balanced in the harness. More outhaul, move lines back just an inch at most, normally.

An update:I broke the first mast somehow. From the video (may upload later), it looks like the boom rotated quite a bit before I even hit the water, so I think the mast was broken before I was even in. I watched the video over and over and I cannot think of an explanation of anything other than I came off foil due to hitting a stingray or fish, and when the board hit the water the mast snapped just from my weight in the harness.I remember seeing what looked to be a superficial crack on the roughened spiral-wound outer surface, nearly vertical, about 1cm long, and not being too worried about it, but that may have been a defect or a start of the failure.

It was warrantied no question.

After 2 weeks of not sailing on that kit, but using my freeride foil, I got back on it and feel like I lost some skill, but also I think the wind direction changed enough to make my nearest spot quite a bear. I realized how difficult this spot is due to the buildings, trees, and landmass that makes a swirling vortex where the wind can change about 20-30 degrees when it is gusting close to 20 or over 20kts with that direction. It put the intimidation factor, as well as the recent memory of breaking the mast back up there.


From the recovery, I also put a small hole in the bottom of the board, due to a long scratch from the boat, which I needed to patch as it was sucking up some water. I let it air out and dry out in the sun first. The bottom of the board seems very thin, easy to put a hole through. There's another hole that's almost through and I will patch that soon, so that's hole #4. I

Today I did a short run, finally trying the 95+ fuselage. I forgot I had it, honestly. The wind was gusting over 20 knots and due to the shiftiness and strange behavior with that direction, it was difficult to deal with the 9.0, but that fuselage made it feel much less like a survival situation than the 115plus does in similar conditions. I felt a LOT more comfortable being overpowered on that 9.0, and had much less breaching issues without going to extreme angles, but it was still tough after lowering the boom and giving more outhaul on the sail. At the very least, it's extended my comfort level about 5kts or so. I would still shy away from a day where it's going to 30 kts. And it felt like pumping onto the foil was pretty easy, but I didn't really have to do that much of it. Stomping on the rear to get completely out of the water felt more responsive on the shorter fuselage.

I would really like to take it out with my camless 6.6 and give it a go on a day like that. May tomorrow, or may just hunt he waves and give the neglected Dyno some time.

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Chasing down sailboat video, you were hitting the chop a lot, would focus on having a level flight, faster and more comfortable. Are you using back foot pressure to keep board nose up and getting tired and so hitting the chop?

exactly what i was going to suggest foil sailing should not be that noisy.

Scenic View north of the Skyway bridge is a great spot. When i snowbird down there I foil there. If the wind has any west in it, you have to go over to 75 cent beach further west on the way down to Fort Desoto. Since I live north, my favorite spot is the north side of the Dunedin Causeway. Plenty deep even at low tide, and empty of other craft compared to the massively crowded south side. Fred Howard is foilable only at high tide.

And, yes, with experience you have enough mast to fly a bit higher off the water and avoid the wave tops. Good videos.

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Scenic View north of the Skyway bridge is a great spot. When i snowbird down there I foil there. If the wind has any west in it, you have to go over to 75 cent beach further west on the way down to Fort Desoto. Since I live north, my favorite spot is the north side of the Dunedin Causeway. Plenty deep even at low tide, and empty of other craft compared to the massively crowded south side. Fred Howard is foilable only at high tide.

And, yes, with experience you have enough mast to fly a bit higher off the water and avoid the wave tops. Good videos.

I really like Scenic but it's been coming from the West lately, so I've been local on the bay, but unfortunately it's very very gusty. The air at Scenic is much cleaner. Here I stress out a lot more because there are several visible windlines that instantly change the direction and speed by quite a bit.

Here's an example of a visible windline right before I don't react to it quickly enough and crash. This was yesterday, first time using the 95plus so I didn't have a good feeling for it compared to the 115. There are several of these streaks that I need to navigate through here.

By the way, I get a really weird feeling from the sail here compared to anywhere else. It gets very backhanded suddenly and the center of pressure shifts around. I think that maybe the air at the top of the sail is doing something different than the bottom of the sail. It tends to steer my sail around. Not sure what to say unless I am just imagining some unknown difficulty. This spot is probably the most difficult one I've sailed at but it's *so close* compared to all the others. The local windmeter during this session reported gusts over 20knots during the time I took this video. That wind meter location is visible/right behind my sail here.

They just aren't like this at Scenic. 75cent has some gusts due to the land there but not quite as bad. The gulf is far more steady and predictable.

Here is how I get my assembled foil in a Passat 4-door sedan, fold rear seats, move front passenger seat forward and recline as far back as possible until it touches folded rear seats, slide board in through the trunk with nose sliding over the reclined front passenger seat, then for the foil open drivers side passenger door and insert foil mast and stabilizer into car with front wing to your upper left above the door frame/window, then once mast and stabilizer is inside, slide front wing between door frame and car body and drop down and then into car, then the whole foil is in with mast laying flat on top of board, with wing behind driver seat and stabilizer against the inside of the car. Works for Goya Bolt 135, AFS W95 with F1080 wing, and I then slide sails mast and boom in from the truck over foil mast. Works even better in a Toyota Venza, more room for extra sails masts and booms.

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Here is how I get my assembled foil in a Passat 4-door sedan, fold rear seats, move front passenger seat forward and recline as far back as possible until it touches folded rear seats, slide board in through the trunk with nose sliding over the reclined front passenger seat, then for the foil open drivers side passenger door and insert foil mast and stabilizer into car with front wing to your upper left above the door frame/window, then once mast and stabilizer is inside, slide front wing between door frame and car body and drop down and then into car, then the whole foil is in with mast laying flat on top of board, with wing behind driver seat and stabilizer against the inside of the car. Works for Goya Bolt 135, AFS W95 with F1080 wing, and I then slide sails mast and boom in from the truck over foil mast. Works even better in a Toyota Venza, more room for extra sails masts and booms.

I don't know if I could get the sail and board into my car (wrx), especially with the foil fully assembled. Right now I leave the fuse and wings on and just install the mast. Pretty easy now.

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Sandman1221 said..
Here is how I get my assembled foil in a Passat 4-door sedan, fold rear seats, move front passenger seat forward and recline as far back as possible until it touches folded rear seats, slide board in through the trunk with nose sliding over the reclined front passenger seat, then for the foil open drivers side passenger door and insert foil mast and stabilizer into car with front wing to your upper left above the door frame/window, then once mast and stabilizer is inside, slide front wing between door frame and car body and drop down and then into car, then the whole foil is in with mast laying flat on top of board, with wing behind driver seat and stabilizer against the inside of the car. Works for Goya Bolt 135, AFS W95 with F1080 wing, and I then slide sails mast and boom in from the truck over foil mast. Works even better in a Toyota Venza, more room for extra sails masts and booms.

I don't know if I could get the sail and board into my car (wrx), especially with the foil fully assembled. Right now I leave the fuse and wings on and just install the mast. Pretty easy now.

yeah, board could be tough, but foil should fit if the rear seats fold down, do they?

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aeroegnr said..

Sandman1221 said..
Here is how I get my assembled foil in a Passat 4-door sedan, fold rear seats, move front passenger seat forward and recline as far back as possible until it touches folded rear seats, slide board in through the trunk with nose sliding over the reclined front passenger seat, then for the foil open drivers side passenger door and insert foil mast and stabilizer into car with front wing to your upper left above the door frame/window, then once mast and stabilizer is inside, slide front wing between door frame and car body and drop down and then into car, then the whole foil is in with mast laying flat on top of board, with wing behind driver seat and stabilizer against the inside of the car. Works for Goya Bolt 135, AFS W95 with F1080 wing, and I then slide sails mast and boom in from the truck over foil mast. Works even better in a Toyota Venza, more room for extra sails masts and booms.

I don't know if I could get the sail and board into my car (wrx), especially with the foil fully assembled. Right now I leave the fuse and wings on and just install the mast. Pretty easy now.

yeah, board could be tough, but foil should fit if the rear seats fold down, do they?

Eh, I once got the slingshot with i76 wing in there assembled but the IQFoil with 115+ is just longer. Even if so, too difficult and time consuming to bother.

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Sandman1221 said..

aeroegnr said..

Sandman1221 said..
Here is how I get my assembled foil in a Passat 4-door sedan, fold rear seats, move front passenger seat forward and recline as far back as possible until it touches folded rear seats, slide board in through the trunk with nose sliding over the reclined front passenger seat, then for the foil open drivers side passenger door and insert foil mast and stabilizer into car with front wing to your upper left above the door frame/window, then once mast and stabilizer is inside, slide front wing between door frame and car body and drop down and then into car, then the whole foil is in with mast laying flat on top of board, with wing behind driver seat and stabilizer against the inside of the car. Works for Goya Bolt 135, AFS W95 with F1080 wing, and I then slide sails mast and boom in from the truck over foil mast. Works even better in a Toyota Venza, more room for extra sails masts and booms.

I don't know if I could get the sail and board into my car (wrx), especially with the foil fully assembled. Right now I leave the fuse and wings on and just install the mast. Pretty easy now.

yeah, board could be tough, but foil should fit if the rear seats fold down, do they?

Eh, I once got the slingshot with i76 wing in there assembled but the IQFoil with 115+ is just longer. Even if so, too difficult and time consuming to bother.

Literally 5 seconds to get my fully assembled foil in either the Passat or Venza.

The weather has been crap here in the afternoons, with frequent lightning storms and heavy rains, and I finally got out again.

One of the last times I was out I tweaked my foot, sprained it, because my straps were too loose and open and I was buried into my ankle. I got a bit overpowered on a reach and the board started leaning downwind. I fought it with the back foot and felt a little pop/click in my midfoot. It didn't hurt immediately, but later. I've since tightened my straps... took a couple weeks at least for the pain to go away.

I've since lengthened my harness lines. I went out before this video was taken, but with the +1 shim due to the patchy wind, but ended up just swapping back to a 0 shim because the gusts were a bit sketchy on that shim.

Anyway, with longer harness lines and lessons from that Duotone video, I felt much more in control. The conditions were also really good, other than the lulls at the ends of my travel. It's a small bay with joining channels and some islands that shape the sea breezes here.

I'm not flying in the jibes yet, I'll need a more dedicated session in good conditions to try, but I'm staying on the board anyway. I'd like to try a faster wing sometime in order to give some speed perspective. Any time lately I've been on the slingshot 76 it's felt much slower in comparison, unless I'm really overpowered.

Anyway, love flying by the sailboats like this.

I am guessing you have the 900 wing, right? You could try the new(ish) 725 or 650 SB slalom wings maybe.

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WillyWind said..
I am guessing you have the 900 wing, right? You could try the new(ish) 725 or 650 SB slalom wings maybe.

Yeah I just have the 900 right now. Thinking of the 650 or waiting until they come out with next year's wings.

Hey aeroegnr, in your sailing around thursday video your form looks much improved over previous videos, good job!

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Sandman1221 said..
Hey aeroegnr, in your sailing around thursday video your form looks much improved over previous videos, good job!

Thank you!

You know what it was? Harness lines had been wayyy too short before. And I'm rarely crashing or dropping the sail in those conditions. Add some more chop and 5kts of wind though and it gets really interesting....

Had a shortish sail yesterday in really gusty conditions that had out of proportion unorganized chop from the bay.

Observation:
These are the gusty conditions that got me scared when I first got this kit, and it still worked up my anxiety over losing control and overfoiling. However, this is mostly in my head.

I started out with a -0.5 shim, as I had before, and was having a hard time getting going. Due to the chop, gustiness, and patchiness, my pumping wasn't great, and the shim hurt it noticeably. I did go back and swap for the 0 shim and it made it so much better. In fact, I think a lot of my problem early on was adjusting shims too early. With just that half degree of difference, I got lift a lot earlier, which helped me get above the chop and be less worn out.

I think I felt a slight difference in stability with that shim as well but I'm not certain on this.

I did also notice that staying in both straps as long as I could made the ride much more enjoyable. I am starting to get closer to reaching than before, but still haven't had the balls to turn more broad in both straps. Also, for a moment I figured out a much better body position that was closer to windsurfing, committing a lot more to the sail. It took longer harness lines to get there. Initially, I had them way too short. They did help going upwind but were destroying my forearms from not being able to lean into the sail as much.

My height preference still needs work. I am flying too low, which is hurting performance and keeping my jibes from flying. When I get scared I get that. Not sure what to do other than force a higher altitude with more TOW.

Hey aero, what was the location where you were foiling around the sailboats? I'm always looking for new spots when I snowbird down there.

Hey aero, what was the location where you were foiling around the sailboats? I'm always looking for new spots when I snowbird down there. Scenic, 75 cent, and north side of Dunedin Causeway are my current spots. Dunedin is the best because it is really big and really deep, and closest to home.

Also, exactly where is the gusty spot you showed in your earlier video? Since I foil during the summer up in the Gorge, I am very accustomed to virulent gusts.

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segler said..
Hey aero, what was the location where you were foiling around the sailboats? I'm always looking for new spots when I snowbird down there. Scenic, 75 cent, and north side of Dunedin Causeway are my current spots. Dunedin is the best because it is really big and really deep, and closest to home.

Also, exactly where is the gusty spot you showed in your earlier video? Since I foil during the summer up in the Gorge, I am very accustomed to virulent gusts.

Sent you a message

For the first time today I tried out the 650 front wing. Everything else standard with 115+ fuse and 0deg shim

Wind was marginal. I was really pushing the low end on this. I think it needs about 10knots minimum with this setup, but it's hard to tell by anything other than feel. Because of the marginal wind I didn't hit any new speed records, but just wanted to know what the minimums were for this wing.

I say the same thing at the end of the video but it felt really good once up and on the foil at about 20mph. Stayed in the straps and maneuvered a little bit up and down wind without a problem during the few flights today. I only crashed once when I tried to get too high upwind and stalled one side and fell over backward at a pretty low speed, very undramatic.

Looking forward to a little more wind with this.

First flight:



Sail issues:Had to do my first real sail repair recently. There is a harder ridged strip over the batten tubes, and it came off about halfway from the front to the back, pulling the stitching with it and splitting the tube in the middle. I taped over it, hopefully strategically, and it seems to be okay.

What rake do you run on your IQ Foil mast mate?

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Maddlad said..
What rake do you run on your IQ Foil mast mate?

I haven't adjusted rake at all. No shims or anything there.

In the conditions I'm in it doesn't seem all that necessary to add rake yet? I'm not sure. Maybe if the swells were even larger. But, stock rake I've recovered from some pretty nasty stalls/overfoils sometimes.

The one at 1:14 here, from yesterday, really felt like it was going to be a full catapult after riding too high, but I held on:



Also some pictures for wing comparison. You can see how utterly massive the slingshot gear is compared to the race gear. And the fuselage length is way shorter on the slingshot gear too. I have the slingshot and starboard stabilizers lined up, with the i76 on the slingshot fuse and the 900 on the 115+ fuse.