I am tossing up between a 120l sup vs a big wave board around 120l

The purpose is:
1. Flat water non planning days to practice tacks, heli tacks, slam jibes etc.
2. If wind picks up a bit have a blast and practice duck jibes.
3. Light wind small wave sailing.

Any thoughts or recommendations?

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Yuppy said..
I am tossing up between a 120l sup vs a big wave board around 120l

The purpose is:
1. Flat water non planning days to practice tacks, heli tacks, slam jibes etc.
2. If wind picks up a bit have a blast and practice duck jibes.
3. Light wind small wave sailing.

Any thoughts or recommendations?

Goya Quad 118, OES 120l ...

I tried the Goya 118 and was disappointed. It doesn't plane early. I got going on a Tabou Pocket 94 quicker - flatter rocker line. I bought a SB Wide Point 8' 2" for this purpose but the first time I sailed it it was on a chunking reef break without the straps and not a good idea. I'm 6'4" 100 kg. I like the Konas (have the 11' 5") that rules in onshore (barges over whitewater better than anything else), good for blasting - will give a lot of freeride boards a run for their money and super fun to gybe, which it does mega tight arcs as well - and general light wind use. It's fun riding small cross shore on it too, but to be honest, if it's x-off and light i'm happy on my 101 fanatic quad for float and ride but I do like to plane and use a 6.9 on the kona if it's not perfect x-off and you want to maximise time. It was my first Sup board too. I have a Fanatic ProWave 9' 2" that's okay to sail but we're talking small beaches. I worry about the damage to both board and mast when getting washed. I want to try the SB NuEvo 120 that looks like it could be fast as a kind of light wind wave board and free rider. Of course should do your off-plane freestyle stuff too. I had a fanatic 115 few but it didn't really turn … sold it. The small sail big board thing has merit BUT I was speaking to Ben Severne and he said he'd made big, 7.0-ish wave sails that plane early and - on a NueVo/Nude 120 protos I think - was flying around in very light wind in NW WA. And now that's kind of what I do with the kona with an old Duke 6.9. Only thing is it's two trips to the water and here in Ireland in the pissing wet in winter it's less fun than a nice summer evening when I'd do that quite a lot just to get wet. That new JPAustralia slate Vanguard-style 115L sup could be your answer …

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Yuppy said..
I am tossing up between a 120l sup vs a big wave board around 120l

The purpose is:
1. Flat water non planning days to practice tacks, heli tacks, slam jibes etc.
2. If wind picks up a bit have a blast and practice duck jibes.
3. Light wind small wave sailing.

Any thoughts or recommendations?

Goya Quad 118, OES 120l ...

Hi

What weight are you.

I see from other forums you rate the Goya 118 highly.

What you describe sounds to me more as an FSW board then pure wave....Keep in mind when looking to SUP boards that they re not meant to plane when windsurfing with them bar the AHD Sealion

I aggree Jeroensurf, I was on my way to suggest a Freestyle Board around 100L...very quick to plane, very stable to practice trick and you can go in small wave and have a blast!!! FSW could do the job as well.

But I guess Yuppy if you asked about SUP and Big Waveboard, you want also that board for mast high waves with 10 kts?

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Yuppy said...
I am tossing up between a 120l sup vs a big wave board around 120l

The purpose is:
1. Flat water non planning days to practice tacks, heli tacks, slam jibes etc.
2. If wind picks up a bit have a blast and practice duck jibes.
3. Light wind small wave sailing.

Any thoughts or recommendations?

Starboard 120 Nuevo.
Board totally rips. the Nuevo is purpose built for light wind. (Not just scaled up like I've seen from most company's) They have added length which is great for tracking in light wind and for catching waves and It has a trailer fin so you can point really high and plane early on and is so lose on the waves. I highly recomend them. Pretty much gets me wavesailing in 8-10 knots. Prob the biggest advantage is the width. It's not wide like a sup so it feels like a wave board on the wave. You don't have the feeling to step across the board. I've now put away the sup fpr sup sailing as I'll never need to use it again and when the wind comes in a little I just plane around like a normal board. It's epic.

One thing to note on all the large wave boards. They are wave boards which are designed for turning so there rocker line reflects this. They will never plane like a free ride board.

Good luck with finding a board. If your down at marimbula next week you can take
Mine for a run if you want.

Cheers tommy

Should consider 110ish Freestyle board - especially the new designs - I had a 112 skate and that thing got you on the water heaps - plane on a sparrows fart with a 6.2ish sail

Thay do all the above and if you tell them whose boss in small waves they are atill good fun

Hi nord

I have a tabou 3 s 86l for windy days. A JP FSW 101 for bump and jump in the bay.

The board missing is a light wind wave board that can double for practicing light wind , sub planning manoeuvres. Eg heli tack.

Tommy

Can you jump the Nuevo 120? What do you weigh ?

I'm 74 kg

I think you don't need an extra board. Put that on a trip somewhere!! ;-)

I vote sup. Heres why:

1)101 at 75kg is a big board. Once youve learnt the heli tack you will be able to do them on this board in 10kts. It will also be heaps of volume for float and ride.

2) a big wave board wont be much easier to learn the helitack on than your 101 (unlike a sup because they are so stable). The issue for me was sinking the tail with poor technique.

3) it will also keep you fit when there is no wind. And if you take it in waves without a sail youll improve in the waves too.

4)It get others into windsurfing!!
ive had my allround 9.6 sup for two months now. Since then ive got five people to have a go at windsurfing and they all loved it because it was so easy. Two are looking at buying kit.. hope to get more mates out over summer

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barri said..
I vote sup. Heres why:

1)101 at 75kg is a big board. Once youve learnt the heli tack you will be able to do them on this board in 10kts. It will also be heaps of volume for float and ride.

2) a big wave board wont be much easier to learn the helitack on than your 101 (unlike a sup because they are so stable). The issue for me was sinking the tail with poor technique.

3) it will also keep you fit when there is no wind. And if you take it in waves without a sail youll improve in the waves too.

4)It get others into windsurfing!!
ive had my allround 9.6 sup for two months now. Since then ive got five people to have a go at windsurfing and they all loved it because it was so easy. Two are looking at buying kit.. hope to get more mates out over summer

Good tip barri,

I also forgot to mention I have a 170l starboard go. I currently use this to teach mates and practice light wind stuff but honestly it's too easy and too forgiving. I get every heli tack. But rarely succeed on the 101. I also have a surfboard. (Vans are awesome)

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NotTheMessiah said..
I tried the Goya 118 and was disappointed. It doesn't plane early.

aahm... it's a wave board. For something that planes a lot earlier look at a Freestyle wave. The only problem being that any Freestyle wave board in that size won't work all to well on waves.

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stehsegler said..
Goya Quad 118, OES 120l ...

Hi

What weight are you.

I see from other forums you rate the Goya 118 highly.

Well over 100kg at the moment. I am currently using the board with a Severne 5.6 S1 Pro Edition. I can pretty much go out in 5 to 10 knts and get waves no problem. Used in 20 knts before. It works but I'd probably go to a smaller board as soon as it's consistent enough to do so.

When deciding between a 120 wave board vs sup, early planning is not a consideration.

I am demoing a Goya 118 thanks to Dave a core board sports. Albeit in flat water light wind.

He is actually sending it to Melbourne for the day for me. Impressive service.

Hi Yuppy...as per the last post here (www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Windsurfing/Review/2014-Starboard-810/) id be keen to hear impressions on 014/15 118 goya versus nuevo 120!

I disagree with Tommy. The Nuevo is a good light wind waveboard but is not a big fellas waveboard, or as good for schlogging. It lacks the width that every other big waveboard or FSW does have.
So great on a wave but a little different philosophy compared to most. I think it is for planing wavesailing in light winds and less suited to grovelling than many.
Not saying it is bad, but don't think it will suit Yuppy for light wind float n helitacks etc.

eg Nuevo 120 - 62cm
Goya 118 - 66.5cm
Random FSW, lets say RRD - 111L is 65cm
Even a Fanatic 101L quad is wider than a Nuevo

But would like to hear a back to back test of the Goya 118 vs Nuevo 120

Nuevo 120 is 64?

Hey Yuppy,

I would also ask Core if you could test the new:

Quatro Sphere 115 which is a thruster

the Goya Freewave 105 (also a thruster or single fin set up..)

the Tetra 109 free ride..

which will be better suited to bump and jump and sailing without waves.

Recent reviews on these have been posted on sea breeze...

www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Windsurfing/Review/Recommendations-for-big-wave-board/

Quoting from "Chuckmaui" the reviewer:

"....Lots of companies making good wave boards in larger sizes now, but I agree with Core's comments above, about Goya (and Quatro) being close to Hookipa, and the advantage that this allows for continuous r&d in good wave conditions. I spent the last wave season on Maui (Sept - Mar) testing various large wave boards, in an effort to lower the wind minimum for wave sailing with early planing, and also to find a board that allows non planing float and ride wave sailing. I have been sailing a custom 105 single fin Thommen, quite thin in the tail, straps awash when slogging, and wanted a bit more float. I tested in sequence Quatro Tetra 109, Quatro Sphere 105 and Quatro Sphere 115, Goya 118 Quad was not in stock for testing. Sails used were Severne S1 4.7, and 5.2 and Severne Gator 5.7, waves from chest high to mast high at Uppers Kanaha, which has swell angles from side onshore to side shore to side off in different areas of the break. my weight 88 kilos, wind ranged from 12- 20. No advantage with any board with 5.7 over 5.2 in 12 mph slogging conditions, might as well take 5.2. In 14 and onshore 5.7 needed to plane off. Absolute earliest planning was Tetra 109, with quite fast rocker, I found the width a touch wide for rail to rail, but for onshore and side on excellent riding even in the pocket. Tetra 109 can ride wave with speed or even at very slow speed soul wave riding. Quite wide but thin tail. The Sphere 105 was too close to size and performance of my current board with still a little deck awash in float and ride conditions. The Quatro Sphere 115 was excellent with quite nice volume distribution from front straps to mast foot, no water on deck when slogging and nice width at 63.8, could plane off very early even with 5.2 sail and the turns fluid and powerful, front foot rail, or back foot pivot, speed for down the line and excellent for float and ride. Slightly more rocker than the Tetra 109, but still really early planning. Lots of guys using the 3 fin boards for less drag and earlier planning over quads in light winds, quads working better to tame stronger conditions, there is a visible and and audible difference to the board wake and drag with all the fins in light wind. In stronger 4.7 conditions the board does not feel too big, still excellent performance, but you will want to change down board size in stronger winds, but can take a larger jump to 90 ltrs or so, as Fransisco Goya suggests. If you can get a demo ride on one of these! I felt my wave sailing improved after a week on the Sphere 115..."

I understand you are also quite familiar with the Tabou 3S boards which are also worthy of consideration...eg 3S 116....anyway there is heaps of choice...Cheers Richard

Yuppy, you have a 86 and a 101 FSW and a GO and your goal is practicing tricks like heli-tack on a bigger board to be able to do it on your 101 and 86L...but the go is too big? You feel it's cheating.

In my own opinion, your 101 is the best board for achieving what you want to do. Go in 5-15 kts and practice backwind sailing, Upwind 360's and you will have your helitack in no time on your 86L and 101 on windy days.

However, if you don't surf, I suggest the SUP, maybe not 120L, a bit bigger will help. A SUP that float enough to go Sup Paddling, try to catch waves..it will be a complementary sport that will practice your balance and stability...and it will help you as well in windsurfing. More time in the water...can't go wrong with that. Could be on a lake, completely flat...just playing arround with a sup, sinking et and turning it etc.. We have a cottage on a small lake and I just love to SUP early in the morning or late when the sun is low..nice colors...a SUP is quite fun!!

All JP's got insert for windsurfing I think...however I trust more SUP with mast track, someone on this forum suggested that since apparently the mast plug pop-up easily if you windSUP in stronger wind, maybe something to consider.

Have fun!

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northy1 said..
Nuevo 120 is 64?

oops my bad - yes
110 is 62cm

I've got a 99 litre Nude chopper, and its 64 wide. Must be an older model? Eitherway , it super stable, plans surprisingly quick and turns way beyond my skill level... I'm surprised more 100 litre wave boards ain't that wide- if only to be more forgiving for new chums like me. Ps- I weigh 78 kg.

Mark, how is a 120 litre board no good for grovelling and helitacks no good for a 74 kg guy?

James I never said it was not good. I was speaking comparatively, and with reference to what the O.P wants.

Big guys spend more time grovelling especially on way out thru waves, so appreciate width for stability.
I am aware the O.P is not a big fella however he specifically mentions non planing freestyle stuff as well as planing wavesailing, so I as a big fat groveler reckon he needs a wider board (relative to the volume).

I am not saying the Nuevo is bad - rather, everyone raves about them. But that is in the context of wavesailing whereas Yuppy wants to use it for other stuff too.

But I do admit that the lack of width in the big Nuevo is a bit of turnoff for fatties like me. If I could test one for the bulk of the season though............

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Mark _australia said...
James I never said it was not good. I was speaking comparatively, and with reference to what the O.P wants.

Big guys spend more time grovelling especially on way out thru waves, so appreciate width for stability.
I am aware the O.P is not a big fella however he specifically mentions non planing freestyle stuff as well as planing wavesailing, so I as a big fat groveler reckon he needs a wider board (relative to the volume).

I am not saying the Nuevo is bad - rather, everyone raves about them. But that is in the context of wavesailing whereas Yuppy wants to use it for other stuff too.

But I do admit that the lack of width in the big Nuevo is a bit of turnoff for fatties like me. If I could test one for the bulk of the season though............

I have to say that I strongly disagree. What helps for the bigger guys is the extra length. It allows the board to punch through the waves better. The does come a point that a board becomes to wide and you feel you have to move your foot to turn it.

If it's width your after get the 122 kode. There like 72 wide. Haha.

I've always found there will be a dominate use for the board and everything is a compromise. For me light wind wave riding is my focus and all the other flat water trick are just fine on the 120nuevo. If flat water ticks are what yuppy wants a sup would work best. But will feel like a sup wavesailing.

Each to there own I guess. Haha

Lack of width? It's 640mm wide FFS! Maybe you should lay off the pies for a bit Mark? :)

I simply point out it is the narrowest of the big waveboards.

That makes me evil it seems.


And I am big boned so there

It's all good Mark. I like making boards for fat guys. Fat guys need good boards too !

Hey James (Hoop) - would you go for 110 or 120 Nuevo for float-n-ride for 85kg?
what does the trailer fin in the 120 add / lose compared to the twins in the 110?

Cheers!
Northy

You will be interested to know I bought the Goya 118 quad from core. I didn't try the Nuevo 120.

Here is why...

It's stability is ideal for non planning maneuvers. Not as stable as my 170l go which is more like a footpath. But much easier than my 101 FSW.

When the wind picks up I can blast in the straps. ( cant do that on a sup). BTW, this is a very different sensation to a FSW. the straps are very centered and the stance very wide. The tail is loose so you have to sail it off the front foot.

It's slow to plane. I'm fine with that. If wanted an early planner I would have bought a FSW.

I also bought a 6'8" surfboard for no wind surf trips.

It slam jibes easily. Loose quad fins help.

It slogs upwind better than my 101FSW. but not as much as the starboard go which has a 60cm fin.

Now I just need to take it in the surf.

PS I'm 75kg