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Adriano said..
This thread is great.

Amazingly, I have just thought about what I do and found that I use both instinctively depending on the circumstances.

It's never occurred to me before this thread. 30 years of windsurfing!

I wonder what I did in my 26+ alpha at Inverloch? That was on the Mistral SP41 on ball bearings....mmm....got me thinking.

Daffy those posts are great. Thanks heaps.

I am glad you are enjoying the thread.
in which circumstances do you use which gybe?

I'm curious what speed alphas have been attained in proper deep water chop/swells (mid-river, bay or ocean).

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azymuth said..
I'm curious what speed alphas have been attained in proper deep water chop/swells (mid-river, bay or ocean).

That sounds like a topic for a new thread...

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Windxtasy said..

Adriano said..
This thread is great.

Amazingly, I have just thought about what I do and found that I use both instinctively depending on the circumstances.

It's never occurred to me before this thread. 30 years of windsurfing!

I wonder what I did in my 26+ alpha at Inverloch? That was on the Mistral SP41 on ball bearings....mmm....got me thinking.

Daffy those posts are great. Thanks heaps.

I am glad you are enjoying the thread.
in which circumstances do you use which gybe?

I think with the speed boards I'm skiing the board around strap to strap. I used to single water ski when I was a kid and it feels comfy and stabilises the narrow board over small chop.

I almost always step gybe a slalom board, even in rough weather, but I put my weight a long way forward, with very bent legs and place my rear foot just behind my front strap.

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Adriano said..

Windxtasy said..

Adriano said..
This thread is great.

Amazingly, I have just thought about what I do and found that I use both instinctively depending on the circumstances.

It's never occurred to me before this thread. 30 years of windsurfing!

I wonder what I did in my 26+ alpha at Inverloch? That was on the Mistral SP41 on ball bearings....mmm....got me thinking.

Daffy those posts are great. Thanks heaps.

I am glad you are enjoying the thread.
in which circumstances do you use which gybe?

I think with the speed boards I'm skiing the board around strap to strap. I used to single water ski when I was a kid and it feels comfy and stabilises the narrow board over small chop.

I almost always step gybe a slalom board, even in rough weather, but I put my weight a long way forward, with very bent legs and place my rear foot just behind my front strap.

I like the single ski analogy in relation to speed boards and strap to strap gybing. I will try it.

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azymuth said..
I'm curious what speed alphas have been attained in proper deep water chop/swells (mid-river, bay or ocean).

JJ, mine are only around 19 - 21
I would love to spend a lot of time in really flat water to see what is achievable
Albany one day

I find strap to strap good powered up with smaller boards ( haven't done one for a while so I'm out of practise). I found step gybes good for iffy gusty/lighter winds . I'm in a more balanced stance ready to exit with my front foot further forward and in a better position to keep the board going/flatter if you run out of wind on the exit. Probably not as much of an issue where you live..
As I said I haven't done a strap to strap for a while and used the 46cm wide speed board last week. Doing the step gybe a few times I went to step my front foot and being used to wider boards stepped off the edge.. I got quite a few though before I got tired..

I used to do strap to strap all the time back in the 80s -90s .Used to just fly into the turns flip the rig and catch it again..the boards were heavier then and didnt bounce in the chop as much ..?? I also had waveboards and wave sails..Once I got back into it I taught myself the step gybe and only do the strap to strap ones now when I'm well powered up on little gear in flatwater.That's why I'm out of practice.
I got my alpha pb sts in the chop at Lg well powered. Pretty pathetic by guys standards but I'd like to be able to do it more often..Need to work on the entry and exit speeds etc.My planing gybes don't translate into good alphas..

Speaking of gybes. As this was my focus today. Tracks on KA72/GPSTC welcome to send through or download from there if anyone was interested. But a Few of my observations below, from doing millions of alphas, with dad over the years.

1. I think everyone has their own little Nic knacks to gybing and what works best for them.

2. Entry and exit speeds, more importantly. Getting back up to pace after you've changed tacks. Quicker you can, the faster you'll be.

3. Gear set up dialed in and fin selection spot on for you, conditions and sail size.

4. Be powered up but remember just enough to be efficient and controllable.

5. More front foot pressure works for me so I don't sink the tail on my speed board and wash off speed.

6. Achieving a smooth arc that's not too wide or too tight.

7. Practice, practice and more practice

8. knowing 50 meters down to the last millimetres. Can be a frustrating category between a PB at 55m and a knot slower at 50m haha

Absolutely spot on Izaak.

Now post some videos of you and dad!

For those that don't know, I think both the Perk's do a step Gybe and are both right up there in the top end of the Alpha table.

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sailquik said..
Absolutely spot on Izaak.

Now post some videos of you and dad!

Will try and put the GoPro in the jacket next time Andrew Is hard to sit on the bank when wind is firing and wanting to keep sailing as you know haha

When ever this topic comes up i always just refer back to this video i made at lake george.
Strap to strap is the way to go once you get your timing right its almost wieghtless

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Clarifications of types of Gybes:
Step Gybe: Change feet before rig flip or at very start of rig flip.
Strap to Strap (STS): Change feet after start of rig flip. (sometimes after boom in hands again - sometimes during rig flip

But, according to our definition, aren't they Step Gybes in your video Roar?

Edit. Been looking at the definition again, there's a gray area. I'd say the defining point of a Strap to Strap gybe is that the front foot stays in the strap until the sail has been sheeted in on the new tack. As in Sailquick's demo video.

As far as I'm concerned a step gybe is when you step, a strap to strap is when you don't, the sail flip shouldn't have anything to do with it.
You can't call a strap to strap gybe a step gybe because of when the rig is flipped that's just ludicrous, and the same goes the other way, you can't call a step gybe a strap to strap because of when the rig is flipped, or English is even crazier than I thought it was.

If you really need to define gybes by the flip, why not call it an early or late flip?????

This is almost as bad as defining surfing wave heights by the swell size out at sea, or the height of the back of the wave.

This is another one of my bug bears, definitions should bear some relationship to what they refer to. Do we really need to confuse things as much as we possibly can?

It's the name that's the problem. I suggest we either do Synchronous or Asynchronous gybes. Step and flip the rig in synch or do it out of synch ie. don't even think about stepping until the rig flip is complete.

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Ian K said..

sailquik said..
Clarifications of types of Gybes:
Step Gybe: Change feet before rig flip or at very start of rig flip.
Strap to Strap (STS): Change feet after start of rig flip. (sometimes after boom in hands again - sometimes during rig flip

But, according to our definition, aren't they Step Gybes in your video Roar?

Edit. Been looking at the definition again, there's a gray area. I'd say the defining point of a Strap to Strap gybe is that the front foot stays in the strap until the sail has been sheeted in on the new tack. As in Sailquick's demo video.

my definition of strap to strap is more of placement that the back foot goes directly into the front foot strap on the other side then the 2nd foot goes directly to the back foot strap as the sail flips (all done in a single motion and used when flipping rig early.)

Step on other hand was when you take foot middle or even foreward of the straps then have to take a "2nd step " to enter the straps. this is more common when people gybe clue first with a late flip

Gybing without taking your back foot out is actually way harder and leaves you in an awkward position

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Roar said..

my definition of strap to strap is more of placement that the back foot goes directly into the front foot strap on the other side then the 2nd foot goes directly to the back foot strap as the sail flips (all done in a single motion and used when flipping rig early.)

Step on other hand was when you take foot middle or even foreward of the straps then have to take a "2nd step " to enter the straps. this is more common when people gybe clue first with a late flip

Gybing without taking your back foot out is actually way harder and leaves you in an awkward position

That makes sense the old back foot goes from its original back strap to its new front strap in one motion. "Strap to strap" The old front strap foot can do the shuffle during the sail flip. Never thought of doing it that way!

In Sailquick's demo the old front foot is going "Strap to strap".

So now we've got "step gybe", "front foot strap to strap" and "back foot strap to strap".

Not the best quality, but about the only gybing Video from back in 2013, i can find. Heaps of footage i just need to look through it haha Gybing from myself and James. Both on our speed boards but on probably too big of a sails (6.4m). Alphas this day were high 26.8/9knot alpha's.

Brilliant gybes! So they look like step gybes...? ( but pretty darn slick!)

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sailquik said..
Does anyone know how to change the aspect ratio in Youtube?

I went to change ratio and it won't let me unfortunately

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izaak said..

sailquik said..
Does anyone know how to change the aspect ratio in Youtube?

I went to change ratio and it won't let me unfortunately

I found a way to do it in Divx converter. Done. Ill send you the dropbox link.

Thanks for the help Daffy!
Oldish video, i know my technique has changed slightly. I do mix it up with out even knowing Being a 3 second or so movement, it all happens super fast.

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Roar said..
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my definition of strap to strap is more of placement that the back foot goes directly into the front foot strap on the other side then the 2nd foot goes directly to the back foot strap as the sail flips (all done in a single motion and used when flipping rig early.)

Step on other hand was when you take foot middle or even foreward of the straps then have to take a "2nd step " to enter the straps. this is more common when people gybe clue first with a late flip

Gybing without taking your back foot out is actually way harder and leaves you in an awkward position

Agree, my strap to strap is similar, back foot comes out of strap prio to gybe and is placed on the rail just behind new front strap, this enables downward pressure reasonably forward on the rail. I feel this "engages" the rail better than pulling up on the old front foot, less chance of spinning out with high "Gs". Just at start of rig flip, new front foot swivels into new front strap,

Depending how well powered up/fast I'm going, the old front foot either goes straight into the back strap, or just forward of it, before rig flip is completed. I think the latter is the most common because I've often hooked back in, and got all my weight on the rig, before the back foot goes in the strap.

Agree completely about leaving your back foot in the strap, that's really weird.

And very occasionally old front foot is still in the strap after the rig is flipped, but this often leads to my foot being stuck in the strap because of the acute angle, I try not to do this.

Nice vid Izaack

I do both depending on what board I'm on and how powered up i am both have got there benefits I'm thinking more of the hand movements boom to boom is the smoothest and that makes the feet follow passing the boom around bit by bit hampers a smooth gybe this clip is a example of what to try!

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Love the way you check the gps as your sailing along..I'd go splat ( plus my eyes aren't good enough)..

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Ian K said..
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So now we've got "step gybe", "front foot strap to strap" and "back foot strap to strap".

Well I've thought of another variation, on Port tack, I always go for a strap to strap gybe, but if I run out of wind, instead of just sliding my new front foot into it's strap, it'll do a step forward just behind the mast base. So is this a "late step"?

Wonder what Vince used: gpsteamchallenge.com.au/sailor_session/show?date=2017-03-19&team=77

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MartinF2 said..
Wonder what Vince used: gpsteamchallenge.com.au/sailor_session/show?date=2017-03-19&team=77

I'll ask

IMHO, the description of STS is not really appropriate, as a lot of people don't actually go straight into the new front strap on Gybe exit. It's just the common way to describe a Gybe where the sail is flipped before the feet are switched. In that respect it can be a bit confusing.

i.e.: "step Gybe' = feet switched in 'step' before rig is flipped.

"STS" + feet switched after rig is back in the hands, or coming back into the hands on the new tack.