I invented for myself , but never tried to implement " movable.rotating straps" .It may works like that only two straps , instead of four but installed on movable basis that slide over board. So we remain constantly with foot in straps but during the gybe or tack mechanizm switch position from top to bottom and vice verse.It could be also made as sort of straps mounted on carriers moving in groves in the board .Something reasonable safe, not to pinch our feets while sliding and changing.This sort of straps should provide us with ultimate control and stability of rough water. The movement of the straps across the board is synchronized , they both travel in opposite direction. But should also provide serious traction all between, when during the turns, carving straps take interwenient position , between distant, end. Maybe already tried something similar ?To illustrate the simplest solution could be stetting two straps on piece of plank , bolted in the middle to the board.

^ Macro, i think you need to get outside more.

.Couldnt see any problems with that at all.

Google it a bit more and you might find what your on about. Was discussed some time ago!

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Imax1 said..
.Couldnt see any problems with that at all.

Macro, youve grabbed the attention of Mr Footstrap. Im sure he can engineer what you seek.

to be perfect it should be driven by a mechanism attached to the rig that synchronizes with the rotation..

Or how about straps that move back and outwards the faster you go.

So.. what you are suggesting... have a footstrap which moves on its own while your foot is planted in it, while you are sailing through chop ?

Seems like there will be some interesting brainstorming/reading from this one. Haha
Suggest we start with a Patrik Airinside hull. Gonna need some space for all the associated guff inside.
Heres my question. Apart from extra weight.What will mobile straps actually achieve?

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olskool said
What will mobile straps actually achieve?

Great footage

^^^ BOOM BOOM! BAHAHAHA!!

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olskool said..
Seems like there will be some interesting brainstorming/reading from this one. Haha
Suggest we start with a Patrik Airinside hull. Gonna need some space for all the associated guff inside.
Heres my question. Apart from extra weight.What will mobile straps actually achieve?

The point is to have your board constantly firmly attached and under control.
Like a snow ski rider.
obviously, till you are not longer under control, During the gybe in rough water condition the most critical part is taking your foot from the straps.In my proposed solution we remain all the time in the straps, controlling the board.

I will sacrifice one of my older boards to prove the concept one day.;
But you guys much more technically skilled anyway, so anybody could post the first photo of invention materialized.( before the Chinese get a hand on this and patent it )as to the extra weight???
I already imagine that the whole board could be completely redundant ( taken off completely !!!!) once we create a simple skeleton to content: fin/foil. -mast base and foot straps. Possibly nobody did it so far, but in fact, that is all we need to windsurf in optimal powered condition. Just a piece of the frame.For some extreme performance, I would even imagine a way to detach your board once in a planing condition on the right planing foil. fin
At 26+ knots we should be able to sail on the foiling fin to get us about 50+

^^^
No board needed , only a frame .
Pot smoker for sure .
Possibly tin hat.

^^ Macro,Yep i get what youre saying. But how can it be so INFINATELY adjustable? At the right place for the rider stance, weight, speed n seastate. The mind boggles.

Too may variables , .............unless it was a living thing ...............like nanotechnology kinda sh.t

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Imax1 said..
Too may variables , .............unless it was a living thing ...............like nanotechnology kinda sh.t

Now that's just silly.

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Swindy said..

Imax1 said..
Too may variables , .............unless it was a living thing ...............like nanotechnology kinda sh.t

Now that's just silly.

Yeah

Much of what is discussed has been invented already, but seems rather useless to me:
patents.google.com/patent/DE102011109833A1/de
patents.google.com/patent/EP0179424A2/de

Yes, Germans love to tinker and get a patent on anything that's complicated and superfluous.
Some inventions of this kind, including a sort of Lazy Susan for both of your feet enabling people to gybe without having to leave the straps, have been featured in the German Windsurf Magazine, maybe someone here still owns the issue.

A few more hours on water sound like a better investment to me.

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Imax1 said..
Or how about straps that move back and outwards the faster you go.

This sounds more interesting. Combine them with a flextail that automatically reduces rocker at higher speeds.
Then add: more speed gives you more downhaul and outhaul, longer harness line, baseplate back, boom a little lower and as soon as you slow down, all of this is reversed.

Oh, yes, this Patrik Airinside would be stuffed with tech and heavy. Not faster, but more expensive.

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ZeeGerman said..
Much of what is discussed has been invented already, but seems rather useless to me:
patents.google.com/patent/DE102011109833A1/de
patents.google.com/patent/EP0179424A2/de

Yes, Germans love to tinker and get a patent on anything that's complicated and superfluous.
Some inventions of this kind, including a sort of Lazy Susan for both of your feet enabling people to gybe without having to leave the straps, have been featured in the German Windsurf Magazine, maybe someone here still owns the issue.

A few more hours on water sound like a better investment to me.

Bravo, That is exactly I hoped for , \expected, \afraid off.
In the simplest format idea was introduced and tested, then abandoned.Hopefully, somebody now could do similar in their workshop, garage without paying royalties.Then get it on the water and tell us how good or bad it feels on the wave or chop.


a bit attention is advised while making this rotating axis, hub. The forces may easily rip this part. This is way in mine concept instead of single-axis rather a groove allow swinging straps to run. Maybe germans abandoned the Mercedes limousine straps because their water is calmer than ours? I would like to see one day Alpha 500 performed by one of our best sailors on something like that.

Another version may be designed for super wide foiling boards. Walking now those boards during gybe seems to be the main reason for turn failure.

My next idea could be a review of rig . sail-mast role while gybing. Did germans already did some discovery there, to save my time?

^^ Macro,im sure i see a board in those drawings. No backbone or skeleton?

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olskool said..
^^ Macro,im sure i see a board in those drawings. No backbone or skeleton?

That is traditional, not 50ktn+ design

Ahhh, silly me...

Nothing wrong with throwing ideas around Any innovation starts this way
Keep them coming Macro

Yeah im cool with Macros think tank. Im still stuck on tuning the boards i have, let alone think of future designs.

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ZeeGerman said..
Much of what is discussed has been invented already, but seems rather useless to me:
patents.google.com/patent/DE102011109833A1/de
patents.google.com/patent/EP0179424A2/de

Yes, Germans love to tinker and get a patent on anything that's complicated and superfluous.
Some inventions of this kind, including a sort of Lazy Susan for both of your feet enabling people to gybe without having to leave the straps, have been featured in the German Windsurf Magazine, maybe someone here still owns the issue.

A few more hours on water sound like a better investment to me.

Bravo, That is exactly I hoped for , \expected, \afraid off.
In the simplest format idea was introduced and tested, then abandoned.Hopefully, somebody now could do similar in their workshop, garage without paying royalties.Then get it on the water and tell us how good or bad it feels on the wave or chop.


a bit attention is advised while making this rotating axis, hub. The forces may easily rip this part. This is way in mine concept instead of single-axis rather a groove allow swinging straps to run. Maybe germans abandoned the Mercedes limousine straps because their water is calmer than ours? I would like to see one day Alpha 500 performed by one of our best sailors on something like that.

Another version may be designed for super wide foiling boards. Walking now those boards during gybe seems to be the main reason for turn failure.

My next idea could be a review of rig . sail-mast role while gybing. Did germans already did some discovery there, to save my time?

Sorry ......It will never work!! You need to understand the mechanics of how a jibe works and the body movements
1. Unless you lock the lazy Susan, loading up your back foot will cause your front foot to move more out board until the back foot is on the lee side.
2 When you jibe, you remove your back foot and place it on the inside rail. With this you would rotate your back foot to the front with your shoulders crossed the wrong way. Think switch foot jibe.
3 A high speed jibe relies on front foot pressure as well as rear foot placement.
4 How do you generate the foot rotation, dragging off the boom, using your shoulders?? All will contribute to the wrong flow of a jibe.

Jump onto a balance training rig and try and generate a spin...... good luck and wear a crash helmet.

www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Kitesurfing/Review/Sportsgear-Solutions--Rotatable-Footstrap?page=1

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kato said..

Macroscien said..

ZeeGerman said..
Much of what is discussed has been invented already, but seems rather useless to me:
patents.google.com/patent/DE102011109833A1/de
patents.google.com/patent/EP0179424A2/de

Yes, Germans love to tinker and get a patent on anything that's complicated and superfluous.
Some inventions of this kind, including a sort of Lazy Susan for both of your feet enabling people to gybe without having to leave the straps, have been featured in the German Windsurf Magazine, maybe someone here still owns the issue.

A few more hours on water sound like a better investment to me.

Bravo, That is exactly I hoped for , \expected, \afraid off.
In the simplest format idea was introduced and tested, then abandoned.Hopefully, somebody now could do similar in their workshop, garage without paying royalties.Then get it on the water and tell us how good or bad it feels on the wave or chop.


a bit attention is advised while making this rotating axis, hub. The forces may easily rip this part. This is way in mine concept instead of single-axis rather a groove allow swinging straps to run. Maybe germans abandoned the Mercedes limousine straps because their water is calmer than ours? I would like to see one day Alpha 500 performed by one of our best sailors on something like that.

Another version may be designed for super wide foiling boards. Walking now those boards during gybe seems to be the main reason for turn failure.

My next idea could be a review of rig . sail-mast role while gybing. Did germans already did some discovery there, to save my time?

Sorry ......It will never work!! You need to understand the mechanics of how a jibe works and the body movements
1. Unless you lock the lazy Susan, loading up your back foot will cause your front foot to move more out board until the back foot is on the lee side.
2 When you jibe, you remove your back foot and place it on the inside rail. With this you would rotate your back foot to the front with your shoulders crossed the wrong way. Think switch foot jibe.
3 A high speed jibe relies on front foot pressure as well as rear foot placement.
4 How do you generate the foot rotation, dragging off the boom, using your shoulders?? All will contribute to the wrong flow of a jibe.

Jump onto a balance training rig and try and generate a spin...... good luck and wear a crash helmet.

No need to be sorry, as I'm totally of your opinion. Whether it works or not, isn't even the question, I don't see any need for the Lazy Susan.
What people need is more time on water or some dance lessons!

I like this separate foot option better, but would incorporate foot rotation induced locking tabs at the end of the tracks.

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Jetlag said..
I like this separate foot option better, but would incorporate foot rotation induced locking tabs at the end of the tracks.

a bit closer , but still need improvements.
Position of the back foot strap is not optimal for sailing.Track need to run curved rail, and intersect. After gybe we want to have both straps in ideal position, but that is not possible in this paralel running tracks.

then some smart locking mechanism is needed to avoid unintentional movement.

^^ they aren't parallel.

For the smart-locking-mechanism, maybe the board will connect to the Cloud, then use A.I. to understand your optimal sailing stance for any given set of conditions so that it handles gybes, wave-sailing and speed-sailing.