It's the one that leads to an over the handle bars experience, why? What makes this happen even to experienced sailors and how can we see the signs before we have an expensive ejection on the water.
My observations.
Usually when over powered.
Things getting out of control. Speed and/or wind.
Heading down wind deep down wind.
Windward rail catches.
Sometimes a slow ejection when beach starting.

Gurus explain away.

decrepit said..
It mostly happens to me going downwind, with spin out first, board's going sideways into the chop. Older boards with harder more edgy rails suffered more than modern softer rails with more tuck. I think having the mast foot as close as possible to the water, also helps. Probably that's the main reason for concave decks.
It happened to Fangy yesterday on an old board without spinout, but 'ken said the spot where he crashed was very bad confused chop coming from different directions. It would have been good to have video footage of what happened.

Oooh, yeah baby, we'd all like to see that! Poor old board! I hope his typing finger recovers.

decrepit said..
...It happened to Fangy yesterday on an old board without spinout, but 'ken said the spot where he crashed was very bad confused chop coming from different directions...

The chop wasn't the only thing that was confused! I haven't ever had a crash at that speed like that before and it happened so damn fast it's hard to figure out what happened. I had just started to ease off, and beginning to head uphill. I hit the chop, bounced out of control, (exacerbated by a relatively upright stance caused by a reflex sheeting out), and I guess the front leeward rail bit into something... A relatively narrow board and 20cm fin probably didn't help either. But otherwise, pretty much all the things above apply.
In my case, inattention was also partly to blame - I had just gone across in front of the Stroppy one on my downhill, and I was wondering where he was behind me.

If memory serves me well, (and sometimes it does), Yoyo fixed his old board by adding foam to the center of the rails to increase tuck. A nicer fix than grinding the hard edge off.

Dave, on the speed run I also reckon it more often happens not when overpowered, but when you lose power when going for it, leading to too much back foot pressure, then spin out, then kaboom!

Maybe im just a dud.

My other favourite pastime up there is watching the nose of my board dive into the back of a crystal clear wave at 25 +knts.

I do it like this ??

Yep going over the handle bars happen when your pushing hard. The more your on the raggedy edge of control you get used to the feeling of being semi out of control. This is when you go faster.
I've had some good stacks this one big of left me pretty broken for a while

The GPS reads 61knts. It recorded my max speed as I went over the handle bars on a big big off at the bottom of hardies run at the end of a smoking nm attempt. My point is the more you push it in extreme conditions you get more comfortable. If you tense up and are tentative that's when its goes tits up

Bender made a 3x Elmo sized dent in the water, huge whippin.

Then sailed back, admittedly a touch slower than on the way down.

So to get back to Dave's question; what is the technique required? Should have I got out the harness and dropped my weight lower and sheeted out perhaps with arse in the water as per Stretchy? Or do the same but over sheet instead? Or something else altogether different?

The reality most of the time is ..

Things happen so quick you only have time to say "O..."

then when you've resurfaced or come to a halt and go looking for your gear you can finish what you were going to say was..

"Oh sh1t, this could hurt"

Yeah agree, I was lucky on Saturday, it was a slow spin and I had time to react. I had a nasty off in the SE corner of Fangy's in summer, I was down before I knew what hit me. Hit my forearm hard on my boom, I thought I might have broken it at first.

olskool said..
Hey guys, just dropping in here. Im not understanding.. How do you catch a Windward rail during spinout?? Everytime i spinout its my leeward rail thatd want to catch n lead to catapult. Leeward being the side my toes are pointing to when in straps. Sometimes i can pull it back under me n recover. Othertimes im still sideways for a few hundred metres. But never had windward rail catch.

I don't think anybody said the windward rail caused the trip. But we did say, dig the windward rail in and slide along on your bum. This stops the leeward rail catching

How does spin out occur when you are heading deep off the wind? Side ways pressure on the fin would be a lot less that reaching or going up wind.

BSN101 said..
How does spin out occur when you are heading deep off the wind? Side ways pressure on the fin would be a lot less that reaching or going up wind.

Too much back foot pressure, often it's as simple as having the harness lines to far forward which puts a lot of shock through the back leg, I tend to set mine up front hand heavy so as to minimize shock load on small fins