Is anyone going to the planned protest this Sunday off Wollongong beach NSW, it will be a good opportunity to send a message to the idiot politicians and environmental vandal greens, letting them know that people don't want these disgusting looking windmills of our coast. It is forecast to blow north east that day so I'll launch my kite down wind and work my way up to where the majority of protesters will be, surfers, sups, and just about every form of water craft are expected to be there.
The more the better.

The more the better.

Wind farms that is.

Your protest would be more effective if you sailed out to where they were planting them

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elmo said..
The more the better.

Wind farms that is.

Your protest would be more effective if you sailed out to where they were planting them

You may be a bit harsh with your criticism. In WA there is plenty of space along its coastline, but the protest in question is at Wollongong. I can understand that some locals there would not like their favourite spots adorned with wind turbines. I can't imagine what carnage would happen if a kite got its lines caught in one of those blades.

The farm is over 20km offshore, even an exceptional sailor such as yourself may struggle a bit doing that in a single leg, god only knows I'm struggling after an 8km leg on inland waters

Just had a look at the project web site... I am trying to figure out what the concern is. The turbines will be located approx. 20 km off the coast.

20kms is roughly the distance Cottesloe to Rottnest. Even on a really clear day and standing high up on the hill in Mossman Park you have to squint really hard to see the lighthouse on the island. I doubt at that distance you would see much of the wind park.

Is it perhaps possible the protest is driven by the individuals connected to the Tallawarra Power Station?

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elmo said..
Your protest would be more effective if you sailed out to where they were planting them

20kms off the coast... good luck.

I work in the offshorebwind industry, and have been doing so for more than 15 years overseas. I am not directly associated with the offshore wind farm in the illawara, nor the ones near Newcastle.

Happy to answer any questions or discuss concerns to the extend I am knowledgeable, as long as we keep it friendly.

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stehsegler said..

elmo said..
Your protest would be more effective if you sailed out to where they were planting them

20kms off the coast... good luck.

(I think that was his point. )

climate.nasa.gov/effects/

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stehsegler said..
Is it perhaps possible the protest is driven by the individuals connected to the Tallawarra Power Station?

Isn't Tallawarra gas fired now? Probably a good complement to wind or solar energy, so it is a good match.

When you look at history, those that love power and control have always used fear as a means of dominating and controlling others, it's no different today, the global elites, The World Economic Forum and the UN are all getting filthy rich from this new green religion, and the mainstream media are fueling the hysteria. Australia produces less than one percent of the world's CO2 emissions and if we want to net zero tomorrow it would make no difference to the global temperatures what so ever. Albanese and Bowen are virtue signalling to the world how great they are for reducing Australia's ridiculously small amount of emissions while sending our economy broke, Labor use to be for the middle to lower class workers but now they have joined up with the greens who demonise fossil fuel and cause the price of everything to go up.

OFFS not another one

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elmo said..
OFFS not another one

From beach/water level you can see about 5 nautical miles (about 9 km) so you wont even see them... unless the earth is really flat

Same here where I live in Poole, UK. The coastline is stunning, for the south coast of the UK, we have a lot of tourists. There were plans for a windfarm a long way offshore but the NIMBY muppets complained that it would ruin tourism & the views. From the top of the not that high cliffs you might just have been able to have seen them on a clear day. They scrapped the plans despite the local council supporting the idea. With the recent hike in fuel prices I bet the same people are moaning about that as well.

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elk said..
When you look at history,

you refuse to accept evidence based on science, not politics, and are pushing the usual conspiracy theories. Even from a kiter I would expect better

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westozwind said..

elmo said..
OFFS not another one

From beach/water level you can see about 5 nautical miles (about 9 km) so you wont even see them... unless the earth is really flat

I think Elmo was referring to conspiritards not wind farms.

I live 2 km from some land based ones. No noise, shadow flicker and enough power for 8K homes. Far better than a Coal or Nuclear power station. And as many have pointed out ,20km out is well beyond the horizon . Seams like a non issue

Never mind the obvious dangers to birds.

The pylons are difficult to dispose due to their size.

We do not need these things blighting the landscape for a problem that does not exist.

It is the sun that is the source of heat not carbon dioxide.

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elmo said..
OFFS not another one

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Pcdefender said..
Never mind the obvious dangers to birds.

The pylons are difficult to dispose due to their size.

We do not need these things blighting the landscape for a problem that does not exist.

It is the sun that is the source of heat not carbon dioxide.

yeah, and science is just another opinion, right?

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Brampk8 said..
I work in the offshorebwind industry, and have been doing so for more than 15 years overseas. I am not directly associated with the offshore wind farm in the illawara, nor the ones near Newcastle.

Happy to answer any questions or discuss concerns to the extend I am knowledgeable, as long as we keep it friendly.

Yeah , like that's going to happen.

So burning stuff to make power is bad . Then nuking stuff to make power is scary. Now wind power is ugly and chops up birds ? You can't get something from nothing . Something has to give. Complaining doesn't make the power we need.

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It is the sun that is the source of heat not carbon dioxide....

Ok lock yourself in a car with windows up in the sun, dont worry steel and glass are not source of heat

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Pcdefender said..
Never mind the obvious dangers to birds.

The pylons are difficult to dispose due to their size.

We do not need these things blighting the landscape for a problem that does not exist.

It is the sun that is the source of heat not carbon dioxide.

May I answer your ideals with respect.
Not a lot of birds will be chopped up in the great scheme of things.
For you or me to despose of these pilons would be a big job. But they are small compared to traditional power making machines that we use now.
With the tech we have now ,blighting the landscape is our best option. Which is a problem that we have and does exist.
The sun is good and possibly the best answer. There is now a problem of making sun panels and places of putting them. People will be sad about that.
Ideals are good , answers are near impossible.

I've never been a leftard greeny type, but i struggle to understand why people have gripes with this sort of thing. Fair enough if they're going to park it smack bang on your favourite spot, but its going to be 20km offshore.


The more power that can be got without directly burning fossil fuels, the less cr@p in the atmosphere. Wheres the problem with that?

www.9news.com.au/national/crunching-the-numbers-on-the-transition-from-fossil-fuels/42c0a342-748b-40c2-bd4e-4eb112fdfec6

Takes alot of crap to make more crap.

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Pcdefender said..
Never mind the obvious dangers to birds.

The pylons are difficult to dispose due to their size.

We do not need these things blighting the landscape for a problem that does not exist.

It is the sun that is the source of heat not carbon dioxide.

Myth..A bit the same as your flat earth stuff.

Birds don't have an issue ,more are killed by vehicles on the road . Bats and nocturnal birds do have an issue with them though.
Pylons are steel and are recycled as is the gear box and electronics. Blades have not being recycled as it's cheaper to dig a hole and dump them. Governments are now mandating that they now recycle them as there is several companies that can do this. BTW the carbon payback time is now 18 months for an average sized tower.

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Rango said..
www.9news.com.au/national/crunching-the-numbers-on-the-transition-from-fossil-fuels/42c0a342-748b-40c2-bd4e-4eb112fdfec6

Takes alot of crap to make more crap.

That's why batteries are an interim solution. The future will be with green hydrogen. The problem with hydrogen in the past has been the energy required to produce it. With renewable energy production having become relatively cheap this problem has been pretty much solved.

The other issue with hydrogen is how unstable it is at normal temperatures. This problem has now been solved as well...
Hydrogenious LOHC Technologies in Germany has developed a method were hydrogen is bound to an oil carrier making it stable at normal temperatures. To split the two the mixture is heated to 400 degrees. The oil is captured and reused. The hydrogen can be used in either a modified combustion engine or power plant.

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Pcdefender said..
It is the sun that is the source of heat not carbon dioxide.

I am trying to work out if you are being sarcastic or serious.

I have a windfarm a few miles out to sea here on the south coast of the UK, and I can see it from my house in Hove.

People were concerned about the change of view when it was built, and watersports fans worried it would affect the wind strength or the waves. Other concerns included the danger to birds.

None of those fears have materialised, most people seem to like the look of it now, and obviously we like the idea of green energy.

These wind turbines do make a slight noise, so maybe I would be concerned if one were to be built on land nearby.
But I am all for this technology, which can only get better over time.

The only problem we have with our wind farms in the UK, is that they are all run by private companies, foreign owned or based overseas. And it would be better if they were state owned.

There's a wind farm on the top of the mountains beyond the south end of the lake I sail on most often, and I love when the wind blows the right direction so I can see them spinning off in the distance! Anyone who dislikes wind farms should just abandon all modern electrical powered technology and become Amish.