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PhilUK said..
Just read the PWA statement. This should have been published at the time. You will have read all the speculation and conspiracy theories on social media. I put this down to inexperience of PWA, as this doesnt happen often, if it all before. The modification could have been done when repairing the sail, it might not have been deliberate. But rules are rules, and the sail was out of specification.

The modification could have been done when repairing the sail, it might not have been deliberate.
<=no - in case of a repair, it should not be altered by 2 cm - that's huge for a foil-Sl-sail.

This sail was "tuned" during the saison.

In not possible, that Soe did not know this. Opening the seams, re-stitching and so.

"On inspection the Point 7 sail belonging to DEN-37 showed clear and undeniable indications that the sail had been modified from its original factory construction. Marks left from the original construction, such as glue and stitching holes were clearly visible, and normal graphics printed on the sail were obscured where batten pockets had been moved. Neither Point 7 or DEN-37 have denied or challenged this fact.
The Point 7 sail was found to have leech measurements between the battens that were outside of the registered specification by more than 2 cm, and even with the production tolerances of 0.35% applied, were still 1.5cm outside of the registered specification."

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RobITA said..
Rytis Jasiunas was a Point7 rider but Point7 dumped him because they decided to focus on Soe and now Jasiunas as vice president of the PWA announces that Soe loses the title because he is disqualified for an unclear sailing irregularity. Does it seem a little strange just to me?

The way the PWA handled the DSQ was poor. But its quite obvious now. Correct decision.

What I find odd is a post on Point-7 FB page from "Wind Kuki" who said it was a batten at fault. That user posted information about a new P7 sail before "Andrea Cucci" user posted it. "Wind Kuki" seems like a genuine Cucci account, as its being going for years, same as Cucci's. Now that seems strange to me.

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PhilUK said..
Just read the PWA statement. This should have been published at the time. You will have read all the speculation and conspiracy theories on social media. I put this down to inexperience of PWA, as this doesnt happen often, if it all before. The modification could have been done when repairing the sail, it might not have been deliberate. But rules are rules, and the sail was out of specification.

The modification could have been done when repairing the sail, it might not have been deliberate.
<=no - in case of a repair, it should be altered by 2 cm - that's huge for a foil-Sl-sail.

This sail was "tuned" during the saison.

In not possible, that Soe did not know this. Opening the seams, re-stitching and so.

"On inspection the Point 7 sail belonging to DEN-37 showed clear and undeniable indications that the sail had been modified from its original factory construction. Marks left from the original construction, such as glue and stitching holes were clearly visible, and normal graphics printed on the sail were obscured where batten pockets had been moved. Neither Point 7 or DEN-37 have denied or challenged this fact.
The Point 7 sail was found to have leech measurements between the battens that were outside of the registered specification by more than 2 cm, and even with the production tolerances of 0.35% applied, were still 1.5cm outside of the registered specification."

Maybe, I prefer giving someone the benefit of the doubt first, until proven cheating. He would have known the sail had been repaired, but would he have known it was out of spec?

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mmilhazes said..

jdfoils said..
So many opinions and so few facts...

Sails are to be production with no modifications to the sail other than masts and battens, which are removable items. One of his registered sails was modified, which is a breach of the rules and a very clear breach of the intention of the rules. Sails from several competitors were impounded and inspected. Soe is the only one that had a modified sail.

Not sure how you can interpret this as the old guard protecting themselves. The old guard is enthused to have an injection of young talent to help raise the level.

100% right on!!
The rules are clear and P7 did the same thing again
In 2008 Sylt PWA Alberto Menagatti was also DSQ for the same reason. He was using P7 also
So it is the second time that the same brand tries do break the rules and they got caught again!!

P7 is to blame, not PWA or the other riders

No point 7 is not to blame.
It is entirely the responsibility of the sailor to ensure their equipment measures.
Period

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PhilUK said..

t36 said..

PhilUK said..
Just read the PWA statement. This should have been published at the time. You will have read all the speculation and conspiracy theories on social media. I put this down to inexperience of PWA, as this doesnt happen often, if it all before. The modification could have been done when repairing the sail, it might not have been deliberate. But rules are rules, and the sail was out of specification.

The modification could have been done when repairing the sail, it might not have been deliberate.
<=no - in case of a repair, it should be altered by 2 cm - that's huge for a foil-Sl-sail.

This sail was "tuned" during the saison.

In not possible, that Soe did not know this. Opening the seams, re-stitching and so.

"On inspection the Point 7 sail belonging to DEN-37 showed clear and undeniable indications that the sail had been modified from its original factory construction. Marks left from the original construction, such as glue and stitching holes were clearly visible, and normal graphics printed on the sail were obscured where batten pockets had been moved. Neither Point 7 or DEN-37 have denied or challenged this fact.
The Point 7 sail was found to have leech measurements between the battens that were outside of the registered specification by more than 2 cm, and even with the production tolerances of 0.35% applied, were still 1.5cm outside of the registered specification."

Maybe, I prefer giving someone the benefit of the doubt first, until proven cheating. He would have known the sail had been repaired, but would he have known it was out of spec?

Have you read the text?

Marks left from the original construction, such as glue and stitching holes were clearly visible, and normal graphics printed on the sail were obscured where batten pockets had been moved. Neither Point 7 or DEN-37 have denied or challenged this fact.

The prior statements or Soe and P7 have been misleading us. It's not allowed to move batten pockets.

Soe may be inexperienced and naive, Point 7 certainly not.

Let's hope that Soe can show the world next season that he is worthy of a world title!

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fpw9082 said..
Now I listen Matteo explanation on facebook, he said that Johan sail panel was open 2.5cm from specs. (Error during production is usualy 2-2-3mm... )He said that such a modification can have huge difference in performance.


Does anyone know why Nicolas Goyard compete at only 2 races (Fuerte and Sylt) this year?
What I watched Nicolas was miles in front of everyone on foil did something change in meantime?

How many races was sailed on foil this year, if Nicolas compete all races will have won championship with ease?

He has been concentrating more on Olympic IQ Foil. World Champ Seb Kordel has stopped PWA completely, apart from one off at his home event in Sylt.

But why , it seems that he will easily win at pwa? plus nobody care about olympics

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t36 said..

PhilUK said..

t36 said..

PhilUK said..
Just read the PWA statement. This should have been published at the time. You will have read all the speculation and conspiracy theories on social media. I put this down to inexperience of PWA, as this doesnt happen often, if it all before. The modification could have been done when repairing the sail, it might not have been deliberate. But rules are rules, and the sail was out of specification.

The modification could have been done when repairing the sail, it might not have been deliberate.
<=no - in case of a repair, it should be altered by 2 cm - that's huge for a foil-Sl-sail.

This sail was "tuned" during the saison.

In not possible, that Soe did not know this. Opening the seams, re-stitching and so.

"On inspection the Point 7 sail belonging to DEN-37 showed clear and undeniable indications that the sail had been modified from its original factory construction. Marks left from the original construction, such as glue and stitching holes were clearly visible, and normal graphics printed on the sail were obscured where batten pockets had been moved. Neither Point 7 or DEN-37 have denied or challenged this fact.
The Point 7 sail was found to have leech measurements between the battens that were outside of the registered specification by more than 2 cm, and even with the production tolerances of 0.35% applied, were still 1.5cm outside of the registered specification."

Maybe, I prefer giving someone the benefit of the doubt first, until proven cheating. He would have known the sail had been repaired, but would he have known it was out of spec?

Have you read the text?

Marks left from the original construction, such as glue and stitching holes were clearly visible, and normal graphics printed on the sail were obscured where batten pockets had been moved. Neither Point 7 or DEN-37 have denied or challenged this fact.

The prior statements or Soe and P7 have been misleading us. It's not allowed to move batten pockets.

I admit I was being very generous.

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sheddweller said..

mmilhazes said..

jdfoils said..
So many opinions and so few facts...

Sails are to be production with no modifications to the sail other than masts and battens, which are removable items. One of his registered sails was modified, which is a breach of the rules and a very clear breach of the intention of the rules. Sails from several competitors were impounded and inspected. Soe is the only one that had a modified sail.

Not sure how you can interpret this as the old guard protecting themselves. The old guard is enthused to have an injection of young talent to help raise the level.

100% right on!!
The rules are clear and P7 did the same thing again
In 2008 Sylt PWA Alberto Menagatti was also DSQ for the same reason. He was using P7 also
So it is the second time that the same brand tries do break the rules and they got caught again!!

P7 is to blame, not PWA or the other riders

No point 7 is not to blame.
It is entirely the responsibility of the sailor to ensure their equipment measures.
Period

Have you read the PWA statement?
The sail was clearly changed and for sure it was not Johan that did that.
As for your information this is the second time P7was caught changing the sails specs during the season.
First responsible to blame is P7 to change the sails, second Johan for allowing it and taking the sails to the events

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t36 said..

PhilUK said..

t36 said..

PhilUK said..
Just read the PWA statement. This should have been published at the time. You will have read all the speculation and conspiracy theories on social media. I put this down to inexperience of PWA, as this doesnt happen often, if it all before. The modification could have been done when repairing the sail, it might not have been deliberate. But rules are rules, and the sail was out of specification.

The modification could have been done when repairing the sail, it might not have been deliberate.
<=no - in case of a repair, it should be altered by 2 cm - that's huge for a foil-Sl-sail.

This sail was "tuned" during the saison.

In not possible, that Soe did not know this. Opening the seams, re-stitching and so.

"On inspection the Point 7 sail belonging to DEN-37 showed clear and undeniable indications that the sail had been modified from its original factory construction. Marks left from the original construction, such as glue and stitching holes were clearly visible, and normal graphics printed on the sail were obscured where batten pockets had been moved. Neither Point 7 or DEN-37 have denied or challenged this fact.
The Point 7 sail was found to have leech measurements between the battens that were outside of the registered specification by more than 2 cm, and even with the production tolerances of 0.35% applied, were still 1.5cm outside of the registered specification."

Maybe, I prefer giving someone the benefit of the doubt first, until proven cheating. He would have known the sail had been repaired, but would he have known it was out of spec?

Have you read the text?

Marks left from the original construction, such as glue and stitching holes were clearly visible, and normal graphics printed on the sail were obscured where batten pockets had been moved. Neither Point 7 or DEN-37 have denied or challenged this fact.

The prior statements or Soe and P7 have been misleading us. It's not allowed to move batten pockets.

Clearly Johan and point 7 cheated then tried to obfuscate this with their public statements. It was wise of pwa to pause before responding.

I would think there are a number of competitors very pissed off. It's a huge financial commitment to compete on the tour and having results effected by cheating would be very disappointing.

After hearing all sides I'm of the opinion soe and point 7 should be banned next season.

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fpw9082 said..

PhilUK said..

fpw9082 said..
Now I listen Matteo explanation on facebook, he said that Johan sail panel was open 2.5cm from specs. (Error during production is usualy 2-2-3mm... )He said that such a modification can have huge difference in performance.


Does anyone know why Nicolas Goyard compete at only 2 races (Fuerte and Sylt) this year?
What I watched Nicolas was miles in front of everyone on foil did something change in meantime?

How many races was sailed on foil this year, if Nicolas compete all races will have won championship with ease?

He has been concentrating more on Olympic IQ Foil. World Champ Seb Kordel has stopped PWA completely, apart from one off at his home event in Sylt.

But why , it seems that he will easily win at pwa? plus nobody care about olympics

He won 1 event. To take time away from IQ Foil means thats time you cant get back.
Nobody cares about the Olympics? Have you seen the number of sailors trying to get into the final event, where only 1 per nation is allowed.

Have you watched Matteo Iachino's video on FB. He says he thinks Soe used the 7.8 at Sylt.

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He won 1 event. To take time away from IQ Foil means thats time you cant get back.
Nobody cares about the Olympics? Have you seen the number of sailors trying to get into the final event, where only 1 per nation is allowed.

But in windsurfing pwa sailors was always better than olympics sailors, remeber boring rsx...
no body want to go in olympics windsurifng..

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fpw9082 said..

PhilUK said..

He won 1 event. To take time away from IQ Foil means thats time you cant get back.
Nobody cares about the Olympics? Have you seen the number of sailors trying to get into the final event, where only 1 per nation is allowed.

But in windsurfing pwa sailors was always better than olympics sailors, remeber boring rsx...
no body want to go in olympics windsurifng..

This might be your opinion but I doubt the world's best (Goyard, Soe, Koerdell..) would agree..

Remember, you can win the world title EVERY year, but Olympic Gold only every 4 years, which diminishes your chances significantly during a sports career.

There's also the fact competing in a "one design" class: no excuse in blaming the equipment.
It's just the athlete.

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mmilhazes said..

sheddweller said..

mmilhazes said..

jdfoils said..
So many opinions and so few facts...

Sails are to be production with no modifications to the sail other than masts and battens, which are removable items. One of his registered sails was modified, which is a breach of the rules and a very clear breach of the intention of the rules. Sails from several competitors were impounded and inspected. Soe is the only one that had a modified sail.

Not sure how you can interpret this as the old guard protecting themselves. The old guard is enthused to have an injection of young talent to help raise the level.

100% right on!!
The rules are clear and P7 did the same thing again
In 2008 Sylt PWA Alberto Menagatti was also DSQ for the same reason. He was using P7 also
So it is the second time that the same brand tries do break the rules and they got caught again!!

P7 is to blame, not PWA or the other riders

No point 7 is not to blame.
It is entirely the responsibility of the sailor to ensure their equipment measures.
Period

Have you read the PWA statement?
The sail was clearly changed and for sure it was not Johan that did that.
As for your information this is the second time P7was caught changing the sails specs during the season.
First responsible to blame is P7 to change the sails, second Johan for allowing it and taking the sails to the events

Yes i have read it, you are wrong.

The Competitor is the responsible party. It is entirely up to them to make sure they are competing on race legal equipment.

You simply cannot use as an excuse " it wasn't my fault the big boy made me do it"

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Bellerophon said..

fpw9082 said..

PhilUK said..

He won 1 event. To take time away from IQ Foil means thats time you cant get back.
Nobody cares about the Olympics? Have you seen the number of sailors trying to get into the final event, where only 1 per nation is allowed.

But in windsurfing pwa sailors was always better than olympics sailors, remeber boring rsx...
no body want to go in olympics windsurifng..

This might be your opinion but I doubt the world's best (Goyard, Soe, Koerdell..) would agree..

Remember, you can win the world title EVERY year, but Olympic Gold only every 4 years, which diminishes your chances significantly during a sports career.

There's also the fact competing in a "one design" class: no excuse in blaming the equipment.
It's just the athlete.

Bjorn and AA never was on olympics...I never heard that olympics is relevant in wsurf, but yes now with foil maybe is different view
Rsx was pumping not sailing, but now with foil is much better...

Can sailor at pwa and IQ foil use weight to increase righting moment to compensate with bigger boys?
If yes, why nobody use it, I see weight only at speed?

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sheddweller said..

mmilhazes said..

sheddweller said..

mmilhazes said..

jdfoils said..
So many opinions and so few facts...

Sails are to be production with no modifications to the sail other than masts and battens, which are removable items. One of his registered sails was modified, which is a breach of the rules and a very clear breach of the intention of the rules. Sails from several competitors were impounded and inspected. Soe is the only one that had a modified sail.

Not sure how you can interpret this as the old guard protecting themselves. The old guard is enthused to have an injection of young talent to help raise the level.

100% right on!!
The rules are clear and P7 did the same thing again
In 2008 Sylt PWA Alberto Menagatti was also DSQ for the same reason. He was using P7 also
So it is the second time that the same brand tries do break the rules and they got caught again!!

P7 is to blame, not PWA or the other riders

No point 7 is not to blame.
It is entirely the responsibility of the sailor to ensure their equipment measures.
Period

Have you read the PWA statement?
The sail was clearly changed and for sure it was not Johan that did that.
As for your information this is the second time P7was caught changing the sails specs during the season.
First responsible to blame is P7 to change the sails, second Johan for allowing it and taking the sails to the events

Yes i have read it, you are wrong.

The Competitor is the responsible party. It is entirely up to them to make sure they are competing on race legal equipment.

You simply cannot use as an excuse " it wasn't my fault the big boy made me do it"

As i said and repeat again:

First responsible to blame is P7 to change the sails, second Johan for allowing it and taking the sails to the events
P7 has done this before so both to blame, but in special P7 to try to cheat again when they have been caught in the past already.

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mmilhazes said..

sheddweller said..

mmilhazes said..

sheddweller said..

mmilhazes said..

jdfoils said..
So many opinions and so few facts...

Sails are to be production with no modifications to the sail other than masts and battens, which are removable items. One of his registered sails was modified, which is a breach of the rules and a very clear breach of the intention of the rules. Sails from several competitors were impounded and inspected. Soe is the only one that had a modified sail.

Not sure how you can interpret this as the old guard protecting themselves. The old guard is enthused to have an injection of young talent to help raise the level.

100% right on!!
The rules are clear and P7 did the same thing again
In 2008 Sylt PWA Alberto Menagatti was also DSQ for the same reason. He was using P7 also
So it is the second time that the same brand tries do break the rules and they got caught again!!

P7 is to blame, not PWA or the other riders

No point 7 is not to blame.
It is entirely the responsibility of the sailor to ensure their equipment measures.
Period

Have you read the PWA statement?
The sail was clearly changed and for sure it was not Johan that did that.
As for your information this is the second time P7was caught changing the sails specs during the season.
First responsible to blame is P7 to change the sails, second Johan for allowing it and taking the sails to the events

Yes i have read it, you are wrong.

The Competitor is the responsible party. It is entirely up to them to make sure they are competing on race legal equipment.

You simply cannot use as an excuse " it wasn't my fault the big boy made me do it"

As i said and repeat again:

First responsible to blame is P7 to change the sails, second Johan for allowing it and taking the sails to the events
P7 has done this before so both to blame, but in special P7 to try to cheat again when they have been caught in the past already.

andrea cheated before as well?

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mmilhazes said..

sheddweller said..

mmilhazes said..

sheddweller said..

mmilhazes said..

jdfoils said..
So many opinions and so few facts...

Sails are to be production with no modifications to the sail other than masts and battens, which are removable items. One of his registered sails was modified, which is a breach of the rules and a very clear breach of the intention of the rules. Sails from several competitors were impounded and inspected. Soe is the only one that had a modified sail.

Not sure how you can interpret this as the old guard protecting themselves. The old guard is enthused to have an injection of young talent to help raise the level.

100% right on!!
The rules are clear and P7 did the same thing again
In 2008 Sylt PWA Alberto Menagatti was also DSQ for the same reason. He was using P7 also
So it is the second time that the same brand tries do break the rules and they got caught again!!

P7 is to blame, not PWA or the other riders

No point 7 is not to blame.
It is entirely the responsibility of the sailor to ensure their equipment measures.
Period

Have you read the PWA statement?
The sail was clearly changed and for sure it was not Johan that did that.
As for your information this is the second time P7was caught changing the sails specs during the season.
First responsible to blame is P7 to change the sails, second Johan for allowing it and taking the sails to the events

Yes i have read it, you are wrong.

The Competitor is the responsible party. It is entirely up to them to make sure they are competing on race legal equipment.

You simply cannot use as an excuse " it wasn't my fault the big boy made me do it"

As i said and repeat again:

First responsible to blame is P7 to change the sails, second Johan for allowing it and taking the sails to the events
P7 has done this before so both to blame, but in special P7 to try to cheat again when they have been caught in the past already.

You are fundamentally misunderstanding how the rules work.
As a competitor, it is you who enter the race, it is you who use the equipment. It is you who are responsible for your equipments compliance.
The buck stops with the competitor. Period.

Johan now knows this- i doubt he will make the same mistake again.

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fpw9082 said..

mmilhazes said..

sheddweller said..

mmilhazes said..

sheddweller said..

mmilhazes said..

jdfoils said..
So many opinions and so few facts...

Sails are to be production with no modifications to the sail other than masts and battens, which are removable items. One of his registered sails was modified, which is a breach of the rules and a very clear breach of the intention of the rules. Sails from several competitors were impounded and inspected. Soe is the only one that had a modified sail.

Not sure how you can interpret this as the old guard protecting themselves. The old guard is enthused to have an injection of young talent to help raise the level.

100% right on!!
The rules are clear and P7 did the same thing again
In 2008 Sylt PWA Alberto Menagatti was also DSQ for the same reason. He was using P7 also
So it is the second time that the same brand tries do break the rules and they got caught again!!

P7 is to blame, not PWA or the other riders

No point 7 is not to blame.
It is entirely the responsibility of the sailor to ensure their equipment measures.
Period

Have you read the PWA statement?
The sail was clearly changed and for sure it was not Johan that did that.
As for your information this is the second time P7was caught changing the sails specs during the season.
First responsible to blame is P7 to change the sails, second Johan for allowing it and taking the sails to the events

Yes i have read it, you are wrong.

The Competitor is the responsible party. It is entirely up to them to make sure they are competing on race legal equipment.

You simply cannot use as an excuse " it wasn't my fault the big boy made me do it"

As i said and repeat again:

First responsible to blame is P7 to change the sails, second Johan for allowing it and taking the sails to the events
P7 has done this before so both to blame, but in special P7 to try to cheat again when they have been caught in the past already.

andrea cheated before as well?

In 2008 PWA
The rider using P7 was DSQ for the same reason.

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sheddweller said..

mmilhazes said..

sheddweller said..

mmilhazes said..

sheddweller said..

mmilhazes said..

jdfoils said..
So many opinions and so few facts...

Sails are to be production with no modifications to the sail other than masts and battens, which are removable items. One of his registered sails was modified, which is a breach of the rules and a very clear breach of the intention of the rules. Sails from several competitors were impounded and inspected. Soe is the only one that had a modified sail.

Not sure how you can interpret this as the old guard protecting themselves. The old guard is enthused to have an injection of young talent to help raise the level.

100% right on!!
The rules are clear and P7 did the same thing again
In 2008 Sylt PWA Alberto Menagatti was also DSQ for the same reason. He was using P7 also
So it is the second time that the same brand tries do break the rules and they got caught again!!

P7 is to blame, not PWA or the other riders

No point 7 is not to blame.
It is entirely the responsibility of the sailor to ensure their equipment measures.
Period

Have you read the PWA statement?
The sail was clearly changed and for sure it was not Johan that did that.
As for your information this is the second time P7was caught changing the sails specs during the season.
First responsible to blame is P7 to change the sails, second Johan for allowing it and taking the sails to the events

Yes i have read it, you are wrong.

The Competitor is the responsible party. It is entirely up to them to make sure they are competing on race legal equipment.

You simply cannot use as an excuse " it wasn't my fault the big boy made me do it"

As i said and repeat again:

First responsible to blame is P7 to change the sails, second Johan for allowing it and taking the sails to the events
P7 has done this before so both to blame, but in special P7 to try to cheat again when they have been caught in the past already.

You are fundamentally misunderstanding how the rules work.
As a competitor, it is you who enter the race, it is you who use the equipment. It is you who are responsible for your equipments compliance.
The buck stops with the competitor. Period.

Johan now knows this- i doubt he will make the same mistake again.

As a brand you know what are the rules, so why they changed the sail??
P7 is on tour for more than 15 years and know the rules but they opted to change the sail anyway to improve performance.
So you blame you the rider?
For me you blame first the brand and second the rider.
Both are blamed for cheating.
Changing the batten pocket 2.5cm up our down is clearly changing the shape of the sail and the performance.
For sure it wasnt Johan Soe that did that.

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mmilhazes said..

fpw9082 said..

mmilhazes said..

sheddweller said..

mmilhazes said..

sheddweller said..

mmilhazes said..

jdfoils said..
So many opinions and so few facts...

Sails are to be production with no modifications to the sail other than masts and battens, which are removable items. One of his registered sails was modified, which is a breach of the rules and a very clear breach of the intention of the rules. Sails from several competitors were impounded and inspected. Soe is the only one that had a modified sail.

Not sure how you can interpret this as the old guard protecting themselves. The old guard is enthused to have an injection of young talent to help raise the level.

100% right on!!
The rules are clear and P7 did the same thing again
In 2008 Sylt PWA Alberto Menagatti was also DSQ for the same reason. He was using P7 also
So it is the second time that the same brand tries do break the rules and they got caught again!!

P7 is to blame, not PWA or the other riders

No point 7 is not to blame.
It is entirely the responsibility of the sailor to ensure their equipment measures.
Period

Have you read the PWA statement?
The sail was clearly changed and for sure it was not Johan that did that.
As for your information this is the second time P7was caught changing the sails specs during the season.
First responsible to blame is P7 to change the sails, second Johan for allowing it and taking the sails to the events

Yes i have read it, you are wrong.

The Competitor is the responsible party. It is entirely up to them to make sure they are competing on race legal equipment.

You simply cannot use as an excuse " it wasn't my fault the big boy made me do it"

As i said and repeat again:

First responsible to blame is P7 to change the sails, second Johan for allowing it and taking the sails to the events
P7 has done this before so both to blame, but in special P7 to try to cheat again when they have been caught in the past already.

andrea cheated before as well?

In 2008 at the Sylt PWA event
The rider using P7 was DSQ for the same reason.

Whether it was 2008 or 2011 or 2013 I have seen al years mentioned ; maybe sbd can find a report or article which tells the exact story ?

Anyhow best for Soe seems to part ways with Point 7 (and blame them) and concentrate on his olympic selection , which hopefully will not be influenced by all of this.
Come 2025 he can start over on a clean sheet with a new sponsor, which shouldn't be hard to find given his talent.

As a last comment in this matter

I am in shock for what i see online with so much people defending the cheaters and attacking the PWA and Iachino and other riders.
There was no protest from any one, but they had the right to do it because someone was cheating.
I cant understand that people say it is ok to break or bend the rules so can have a advantage and win!! WOW
This is why the world is like it is now!!

It is not cool to win at all cost!!
Fair play and respecting the rules should be the main principals for everyone!!

NOTE: I am not a fan boy of any brand or rider, i just will not comply with people cheating.

Cheers

On the Olympics thing, this year has seen some amazing IQ Foil regattas, and I for one am looking forwards to next year's games as never before. It certainly won't be 'boring'.

You might remember how dull the RS:X class looked in Beijing, when the races were about pumping that log around a windless course.
The IQ Foil class is so exciting in comparison, and a lot of younger sailors want to get on one, whether racing or not.

The IQ foil fleets also provide great racing to watch for a livestream or TV audience, because the speed and performance of the craft.

I'm a great fan of PWA racing as well and, on topic, they just need to make sure this situation doesn't happen again, perhaps by picking top on measurement issues earlier at any regatta.
There are of course a lot of racers - and each with a lot of sails and boards and foils to check over - so this is partly a budget and time thing.

Anyone seen "Days of Thunder"?



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I guess this song is on repeat in Cucci sailloft !

"You catch my eye
Bitch, you wanna fly?
I'm so alive

Never stop, it's how we ride
Coming up until we die

I don't wanna go to school
I just wanna break the rules
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In Johan's initial statement on FB, he wrote:

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Johan Soe said..
I need to stress that I never used this sail during the event in Japan
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I never used the sail in Japan

After the PWA statement he now writes:

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Johan Soe said..
The sail was NOT used for any valid race for PWA Japan. I did one start with it but the heat was cancelled due to too light wind.

Looks like he is good at twisting the truth in his favor. Despite his obvious willingness to twist the truth, he never said he did not know the sail was modified. He knew. He (and P7) just thought he'd get away with it.

The PWA did the right thing.

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PhilUK said..


Maybe, I prefer giving someone the benefit of the doubt first, until proven cheating. He would have known the sail had been repaired, but would he have known it was out of spec?

There is a clearly outlined procedure for getting repairs approved before racing. It is included in the rules I posted earlier.

(But clearly this was not a repair)

One possible explanation that does not involve collusion with P7 is that he was testing prototype gear for next year and accidentally switched sails, bringing the wrong one to the event.

never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by neglect, ignorance or incompetence.