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Mark _australia said..

Daffy, seems if you have a local instructor they can help you

Hopefully. But I have not found one that is not full of parroting jargon sheet yet with no real understanding of why they spout it.

I guess I'll just have to muddle on..........

Moat: It is hard to fill a cup that is already full.

maybe try this one

Not too bad that one. Don't try to give 'one size fits all' dogmatic rules.

doesnt bother me what size u use. the op asked tho. now he has plenty of opinions

So I got out yesterday. Unfortunately, it wasn't planing conditions, but I did hook in and used my hips. I can see the difference there. I also adjusted the hook on my harness so it sits lower on me now. That should help sit me up a little higher off the water and with the hook lower, it might train me to use more hip action. Tomorrow we are supposed to get NW winds at 15-20. Should be a good test day. Next I can start working on my forward loops.

Interesting stuff, I sail slalom boards and have always used 24 inch lines. Seems to me that all longer lines do, is drop your butt lower and put you in a bent position, as in a sitting position. I have tried longer lines and found that all it does is hurt my back and put more weight on my arms. I much prefer to have a straighter body. As for having the rig more upright, you can't adjust the length of your arms.
I think whatever you feel comfortable with, no set rules.

All the wave and freestyle pros use the "Super-7" stance - arms straight and horizontal, legs and upper body in a straight line. I got coaching from a pro and the first thing he did was convince me to adopt the stance. It made a huge difference - speed, early planing, staying upwind, using less energy. Previously I was doing something like "ass out" - bent arms, face close to the boom, straight (or so I thought) legs. He told me that this stance is good only for overpowered slalom sailing. He also shortened my lines from 32" to 28" and said to go longer later when I'm used to the stance. Anyway, I now use 32" monolines with my hands quite close together and the rig never feels far away.

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All the wave and freestyle pros use the "Super-7" stance - arms straight and horizontal, legs and upper body in a straight line. I got coaching from a pro and the first thing he did was convince me to adopt the stance. It made a huge difference - speed, early planing, staying upwind, using less energy. Previously I was doing something like "ass out" - bent arms, face close to the boom, straight (or so I thought) legs. He told me that this stance is good only for overpowered slalom sailing. He also shortened my lines from 32" to 28" and said to go longer later when I'm used to the stance. Anyway, I now use 32" monolines with my hands quite close together and the rig never feels far away.

Im genuinely wondering why stance and (to a much lesser degree) harness line length are a massive concern for wave/freestyle. All the sailors i've seen doing those two disciplines seem to do what they do unhooked. Hooking in seems to be more about getting in and out/ having a rest?

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Faff said..
All the wave and freestyle pros use the "Super-7" stance - arms straight and horizontal, legs and upper body in a straight line. I got coaching from a pro and the first thing he did was convince me to adopt the stance. It made a huge difference - speed, early planing, staying upwind, using less energy. Previously I was doing something like "ass out" - bent arms, face close to the boom, straight (or so I thought) legs. He told me that this stance is good only for overpowered slalom sailing. He also shortened my lines from 32" to 28" and said to go longer later when I'm used to the stance. Anyway, I now use 32" monolines with my hands quite close together and the rig never feels far away.

Im genuinely wondering why stance and (to a much lesser degree) harness line length are a massive concern for wave/freestyle. All the sailors i've seen doing those two disciplines seem to do what they do unhooked. Hooking in seems to be more about getting in and out/ having a rest?

FS guys need to get planing quickly, plane fast and go upwind easily to learn those tricks. All that with a tiny fin and sail.

Tried the latest Severne adjustables. Dont have to take boom tailpiece out to instal. Great idea! At last someone is thinking....But, yep they're adjustable alright. While youre sailing. Just put your weight on em n they slip. Straight to full length. The velcro n spring clip just dont seem to grip the webbing.
Anyway this brought me to discover that 34 inch is WAY comfier for me (6'2"). Front arm is almost straight, no excessive load on front arm lower bicep + lines easier to unhook for gybing. Sailed for much longer session no fatigue. YIP YAA!!

It's ok they only slip for the first few month then I think the webbing must soften up enough for the buckle to bite.

Ok, so I've had a few good planing sessions with my 22" lines now. I'm starting to get used to them and my arms are less sore now. I am finding my sweet spot which is in between my old stance of my back out and butt more positioned inboard, to now sticking my butt out some with my back more upright. The longer lines are allowing me to move my body back towards the tail when I jump the board as I'm hooked in and don't feel choked in to the sail and boom. I'm now working on sisoring my legs for my jumps. I had no idea swinging my body back over the tail of the board would make me jump so much higher and easier. It seems like I can suspend the board up and over the wave so much easier now. Before I was way too forward and squared up to the board and had trouble catching air.

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Ok, so I've had a few good planing sessions with my 22" lines now. I'm starting to get used to them and my arms are less sore now. I am finding my sweet spot which is in between my old stance of my back out and butt more positioned inboard, to now sticking my butt out some with my back more upright. The longer lines are allowing me to move my body back towards the tail when I jump the board as I'm hooked in and don't feel choked in to the sail and boom. I'm now working on sisoring my legs for my jumps. I had no idea swinging my body back over the tail of the board would make me jump so much higher and easier. It seems like I can suspend the board up and over the wave so much easier now. Before I was way too forward and squared up to the board and had trouble catching air.

I highly recommend the Trictionary 3 book. The app is good too, but the book covers sailing stance in great detail.

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MagicRide said..
Ok, so I've had a few good planing sessions with my 22" lines now. I'm starting to get used to them and my arms are less sore now. I am finding my sweet spot which is in between my old stance of my back out and butt more positioned inboard, to now sticking my butt out some with my back more upright. The longer lines are allowing me to move my body back towards the tail when I jump the board as I'm hooked in and don't feel choked in to the sail and boom. I'm now working on sisoring my legs for my jumps. I had no idea swinging my body back over the tail of the board would make me jump so much higher and easier. It seems like I can suspend the board up and over the wave so much easier now. Before I was way too forward and squared up to the board and had trouble catching air.

I highly recommend the Trictionary 3 book. The app is good too, but the book covers sailing stance in great detail.

I heard about that book, thx!

On my wave kit I use 28" lines, but for my slalom booms I use the adjustable ones.

I find when I am foiling I shorten them as I use a waist harness rather than the seat when slaloming. With the slaloming sailing I find when going upwind or reaching slightly shorter works better. If it's rough and I'm blasting back off the wind, longer is a little more forgiving so less likely to get catapulted. The other month I was reaching back and forth with a friend and he had a slight edge, I felt a little too hung off, so shortened the lines and presto suddenly I was keeping up with no issue.

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Ok, so I've had a few good planing sessions with my 22" lines now. I'm starting to get used to them and my arms are less sore now. I am finding my sweet spot which is in between my old stance of my back out and butt more positioned inboard, to now sticking my butt out some with my back more upright. The longer lines are allowing me to move my body back towards the tail when I jump the board as I'm hooked in and don't feel choked in to the sail and boom. I'm now working on sisoring my legs for my jumps. I had no idea swinging my body back over the tail of the board would make me jump so much higher and easier. It seems like I can suspend the board up and over the wave so much easier now. Before I was way too forward and squared up to the board and had trouble catching air.

Great! ... Now add 8"

I finally feel in the groove now with the 22s. I love em now. Stance, and some harness adjustments and I'm comfy on the water. I was out planing real nicely, got some bump n jump in as well. But, I went out too far as the wind then died! Omg, I had to swim the board and sail about 200 yards to shore. The shore I got too wasn't where I launched. I arrived at a golf course, left my gear their, walked back to my truck another 2 miles, and called the cops to let them know I'd be driving through the golf course in the dark so they wouldn't hassle me and explained why. I ended up off roading up and down the golf course and found my gear. Pitch dark on the course, I was lucky to locate my gear. Derigged it their and went home. I'm on my second cocktail now. I'm beat!!!

Wow Magic Ride the swim is one thing you need to be prepared for but you gear on a golf course in the dark sounds like a mission
Definitely earnt a drink

I remember swimming in about 300 metres at Margaret River, at night, while fishermen threw burley in the water around me. A bit of weed touched my leg. There was even more burley in the water.

I suppose having mishaps while getting used to a new setup is all par for the course......... sorry.

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I finally feel in the groove now with the 22s. I love em now. Stance, and some harness adjustments and I'm comfy on the water. I was out planing real nicely, got some bump n jump in as well. But, I went out too far as the wind then died! Omg, I had to swim the board and sail about 200 yards to shore. The shore I got too wasn't where I launched. I arrived at a golf course, left my gear their, walked back to my truck another 2 miles, and called the cops to let them know I'd be driving through the golf course in the dark so they wouldn't hassle me and explained why. I ended up off roading up and down the golf course and found my gear. Pitch dark on the course, I was lucky to locate my gear. Derigged it their and went home. I'm on my second cocktail now. I'm beat!!!

Dang! I hate swimming - especially cold water. I refuse! Unless I broke some gear or the wind totally shuts down like <5kts I am uphauling & drifting my 83liter + .

You are about my weight & height you should be able to shlog that 115 in near zero wind! .... now you know what to practice on the next light wind(warmer) weather day!

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MagicRide said..
I finally feel in the groove now with the 22s. I love em now. Stance, and some harness adjustments and I'm comfy on the water. I was out planing real nicely, got some bump n jump in as well. But, I went out too far as the wind then died! Omg, I had to swim the board and sail about 200 yards to shore. The shore I got too wasn't where I launched. I arrived at a golf course, left my gear their, walked back to my truck another 2 miles, and called the cops to let them know I'd be driving through the golf course in the dark so they wouldn't hassle me and explained why. I ended up off roading up and down the golf course and found my gear. Pitch dark on the course, I was lucky to locate my gear. Derigged it their and went home. I'm on my second cocktail now. I'm beat!!!

Dang! I hate swimming - especially cold water. I refuse! Unless I broke some gear or the wind totally shuts down like
You are about my weight & height you should be able to shlog that 115 in near zero wind! .... now you know what to practice on the next light wind(warmer) weather day!

I was on my 6.0 that day with 16-18 MPH winds that pretty much died off to barely nothing. Lots of chop left over from the wind earlier left it impossible to shlog. Wind shut down pretty quick. I was not prepared for that. I went out too far. I've been out that far many times, read the wind well and never had an issue. I paid the price this time. I was cussing at the wind a lot that day because it was up and down, I guess the wind gods came back to teach me a lesson. Lol!! I look at it all and laugh at myself. My friend was out walking that day and I saw him the next day and said, "I could hear you cussing out their". "Did you have the wrong sail", he said? Lol!!

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Wow Magic Ride the swim is one thing you need to be prepared for but you gear on a golf course in the dark sounds like a mission
Definitely earnt a drink

Over 1000 people killed by police in the US last year.