Good stuff!

The only problem about doing D2s with the Raceboards is that some of the D2 guys will be doing the RBs, so if we race at the same time we won't get enough of a fleet. If we race before or after the RBs, we will have exhausted sailors and race crews.

We may have to contact the RB organisers to see what could be done. A five or six-race series should be enough, all using 7.5s I imagine.

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Chris 249 said..
Only five boards needed to make a class at the Worlds? Hmmm, sounds good. Particularly if we make sure that Dennis sticks to using the Wally rig on his Lechner while I use Lars' old 7.3 rig on mine!

Chris,
Yes and I want to believe that you guys will be able to regroup and make it happening.

As mentioned before, I'll do my best to join also.

Can you coordinate it?

Having run the Windsurfer ODs for a while, I have a health issue - my wife says if I run any more regattas she will kill me!

We'll have to work out some way to run the races before or after the Raceboards, I think, otherwise too many people will be doing the Raceboards instead. Since we'll be racing D2s without pumping it shouldn't be too exhausting to race them in the mornings, if there is time, and perhaps on a rest day if one is planned. Alternatively, we could perhaps start racing during the measuring/registration (if they would allow those doing both events to measure and register separately) and get one or two races off - that would allow the race crews some practice.

5 to 10/12 Kn Div 2

12 and above Rb ...

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handyman0708 said..
Mind you- World 5th place, Division 2 (potentially at worst) or 127th Raceboard or something like that. Which sounds better on the resume when applying for a full windsurfing sponsorship?

Handy,

Beyond final ranking, what people (& Media) will retain is that you will be among those who contributed to D2 revival in Australia, after more than 2 decades of disappearance. This is what will happen in Brest, FRA, in August this year at European Championships. We (D2s) will be making the News!

Windsurfing, sailing community including top Authorities, are watching us!

...In addition to the amazing feeling that it will procure to all of us on the starting lines

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Chris 249 said..

Toubab said..

Chris 249 said..
Only five boards needed to make a class at the Worlds? Hmmm, sounds good. Particularly if we make sure that Dennis sticks to using the Wally rig on his Lechner while I use Lars' old 7.3 rig on mine!

Chris,
Yes and I want to believe that you guys will be able to regroup and make it happening.

As mentioned before, I'll do my best to join also.

Can you coordinate it?

Having run the Windsurfer ODs for a while, I have a health issue - my wife says if I run any more regattas she will kill me!

We'll have to work out some way to run the races before or after the Raceboards, I think, otherwise too many people will be doing the Raceboards instead. Since we'll be racing D2s without pumping it shouldn't be too exhausting to race them in the mornings, if there is time, and perhaps on a rest day if one is planned. Alternatively, we could perhaps start racing during the measuring/registration (if they would allow those doing both events to measure and register separately) and get one or two races off - that would allow the race crews some practice.

Chris,

It is logically expected most of sailors fleet will subscribe in RCB Class. But surprise could come from us, D2, with a good attendance.

If we have 5 sailors minimum quorum for D2, Event organizer will provide related NoRs, staff, boat committee for us to race as D2 Class separately.

Of course, making things clearer,
sailors willing to enter the Event with D2s will be required to be in good standing with their Class membership and with their equipments, like RCB and R300.

Brisbane NoRs will be published soon, but in the mean time watch what is happening with Brest, set up will be more or less similar.

Also, for many reasons, I doubt it will be reasonably feasible for sailors to manage a double participation (RCB + D2)

I think all accolades need to go directly to salty heaven for posting some great video of his div 2's in action. The speed and the joy of sailing these boards was perfectly displayed in his posts. Saltyheaven not only found one board, restored it, loved sailing it then was fortunate enough to find a Lechner and upgrade to what he and many others would regard as a superior board. That resulted in him being able to sell on the DB11 so he is clearly the inspiration for any level of revival of this type of sailing. Even in fairly light wind- railed up, hooked in, wind on the nose and drive hard- these things are great (bit of a handful once the wind does settle in though).

All praise Salty!!

Hey does the Exocet D2 meet class specifications? thats something in production still

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snorkel692 said..
Hey does the Exocet D2 meet class specifications? thats something in production still

Hi Snorkel,

Nope. RSD2 is a race board, despite its bow resemblance with D2s

Hi all. Sites anyone know where I could source some replacement Lechner A390 centreboard gaskets? Mine have transformed to somewhat of a disaster :(

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handyman0708 said..
I think all accolades need to go directly to salty heaven for posting some great video of his div 2's in action. The speed and the joy of sailing these boards was perfectly displayed in his posts. Saltyheaven not only found one board, restored it, loved sailing it then was fortunate enough to find a Lechner and upgrade to what he and many others would regard as a superior board. That resulted in him being able to sell on the DB11 so he is clearly the inspiration for any level of revival of this type of sailing. Even in fairly light wind- railed up, hooked in, wind on the nose and drive hard- these things are great (bit of a handful once the wind does settle in though).

All praise Salty!!

Ah, Thankyou handyman! How very unexpected.

I'm trying to get together some video footage that I'm truly happy with. It's not easy! Anyhow one day all the planets will align I'm sure.

Cheers, Mikey

Thanks Toubab I thought the Exocet wouldn't comply but it was worth asking!

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AUS817 said..
Hi all. Sites anyone know where I could source some replacement Lechner A390 centreboard gaskets? Mine have transformed to somewhat of a disaster :(

John,

We had stock of new gaskets until recently but it's been exhausted. I'm replacing them with mylar lips that works very well.

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handyman0708 said..
I think all accolades need to go directly to salty heaven for posting some great video of his div 2's in action. The speed and the joy of sailing these boards was perfectly displayed in his posts. Saltyheaven not only found one board, restored it, loved sailing it then was fortunate enough to find a Lechner and upgrade to what he and many others would regard as a superior board. That resulted in him being able to sell on the DB11 so he is clearly the inspiration for any level of revival of this type of sailing. Even in fairly light wind- railed up, hooked in, wind on the nose and drive hard- these things are great (bit of a handful once the wind does settle in though).

All praise Salty!!

Ah, Thankyou handyman! How very unexpected.

I'm trying to get together some video footage that I'm truly happy with. It's not easy! Anyhow one day all the planets will align I'm sure.

Cheers, Mikey

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AUS817 said..
Hi all. Sites anyone know where I could source some replacement Lechner A390 centreboard gaskets? Mine have transformed to somewhat of a disaster :(

hi John,
send me an email and i can send you mylar,
this is my 390.
Doug.

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Chris 249 said..

Toubab said..

Chris 249 said..
Only five boards needed to make a class at the Worlds? Hmmm, sounds good. Particularly if we make sure that Dennis sticks to using the Wally rig on his Lechner while I use Lars' old 7.3 rig on mine!

Chris,
Yes and I want to believe that you guys will be able to regroup and make it happening.

As mentioned before, I'll do my best to join also.

Can you coordinate it?

Having run the Windsurfer ODs for a while, I have a health issue - my wife says if I run any more regattas she will kill me!

We'll have to work out some way to run the races before or after the Raceboards, I think, otherwise too many people will be doing the Raceboards instead. Since we'll be racing D2s without pumping it shouldn't be too exhausting to race them in the mornings, if there is time, and perhaps on a rest day if one is planned. Alternatively, we could perhaps start racing during the measuring/registration (if they would allow those doing both events to measure and register separately) and get one or two races off - that would allow the race crews some practice.

Chris,

Regarding your idea (double participation) I already had asked IWA that co-organizes Event with Brisbane, how to....No news yet.
We'll see what they say but I see some obvious inconvenient:
- Higher entry fees (2x?)
- Difficulty to alternate RCB races with D2 races (even lowering number of D2 races)
We will share same race committee...It's World Championships and they won't accept that D2 could impact it.
RCB wants a max of races and won't wait from D2.
- Sailor's fatigue as you mentioned

I think it would worth starting to list potential D2 participants to size the opportunity for us.

What you think?

It would be inconvenient, but without being able to do both races I'm far from sure that we could get critical mass. There's people like FJD, who will have a real chance at a Raceboard Masters medal, who probably wouldn't miss that to race in the D2s. Then there's people like me, who doesn't feel like getting back into RBs seriously (for the price of the three new rigs I need I could buy a new Laser and get a lot more racing) but would go up if I could sail both events.

I think we'd have to accept that the D2s would have only 5-6 races, but we used to do that. I think I can remember regional D2 championships with just 4. Even Lasers can still do regional championships with just 4 races.

The fleet will be small, so not as many rescue craft will be needed.

I'll start working out possible entrants over the next couple of days.

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It would be inconvenient, but without being able to do both races I'm far from sure that we could get critical mass. There's people like FJD, who will have a real chance at a Raceboard Masters medal, who probably wouldn't miss that to race in the D2s. Then there's people like me, who doesn't feel like getting back into RBs seriously (for the price of the three new rigs I need I could buy a new Laser and get a lot more racing) but would go up if I could sail both events.

I think we'd have to accept that the D2s would have only 5-6 races, but we used to do that. I think I can remember regional D2 championships with just 4. Even Lasers can still do regional championships with just 4 races.

The fleet will be small, so not as many rescue craft will be needed.

I'll start working out possible entrants over the next couple of days.

Okay Chris,
Let's continue thinking out of the box and be creative
So it could be
- One D2 race 1st time every morning (wind is lower, isn't it)
- Not more than 2 races in a row and per day
- Agree to limit max number of races to 6 races during the week.

Potential issues for sailors:
- Additional costs for registration. Competitors will need to be in good standing with both of Classes they want to compete. It is an Official Event for both Classes
(I believe we should be able negotiate a rebate for double entree fees )
- Transportation and storage of double equipments,
- anything else?...

I check IWA opinion and let you know

I think it'd be better if the D2's raced WITH the Raceboards.
I'm impressed by how fast & high Salty achieves on his Lechner + 8.4m2 Barracouta rig.
Wouldn't be surprised if that combination could win more than a few of the races.
So why not sail as one fleet - and also score them as separate fleets.
Whether it's just one, or two, or several D2's - would no longer be an issue.

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AyreForce1 said..
I think it'd be better if the D2's raced WITH the Raceboards.
I'm impressed by how fast & high Salty achieves on his Lechner + 8.4m2 Barracouta rig.
Wouldn't be surprised if that combination could win more than a few of the races.
So why not sail as one fleet - and also score them as separate fleets.
Whether it's just one, or two, or several D2's - would no longer be an issue.

What could be possible at a local regatta (should the organizer agrees & decides it) is not for this Event that is a World Championship.
Same applies to other international, continental Events (i.e. Brest European)

Brisbane is primarily 2016 World RB and T293 Event.

We are invited to participate and race as a Class, along with other Classes (RS300,RS1, Ph295, Kona One, Windsurfer OD), as long as we can align 5 sailors.

It will be a very complexes organization for Organizer and I can confirm there is no room for particular arrangements as tentatively discussed above.

So, let's focus on regrouping and be prepared for a remarkable D2 return in Brisbane

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Chris 249 said..
It would be inconvenient, but without being able to do both races I'm far from sure that we could get critical mass. There's people like FJD, who will have a real chance at a Raceboard Masters medal, who probably wouldn't miss that to race in the D2s. Then there's people like me, who doesn't feel like getting back into RBs seriously (for the price of the three new rigs I need I could buy a new Laser and get a lot more racing) but would go up if I could sail both events.

I think we'd have to accept that the D2s would have only 5-6 races, but we used to do that. I think I can remember regional D2 championships with just 4. Even Lasers can still do regional championships with just 4 races.

The fleet will be small, so not as many rescue craft will be needed.

I'll start working out possible entrants over the next couple of days.

Okay Chris,
Let's continue thinking out of the box and be creative
So it could be
- One D2 race 1st time every morning (wind is lower, isn't it)
- Not more than 2 races in a row and per day
- Agree to limit max number of races to 6 races during the week.

Potential issues for sailors:
- Additional costs for registration. Competitors will need to be in good standing with both of Classes they want to compete. It is an Official Event for both Classes
(I believe we should be able negotiate a rebate for double entree fees )
- Transportation and storage of double equipments,
- anything else?...

I check IWA opinion and let you know

That's the sort of thing I was thinking about, but maybe rather than having a target to only do a few races, we could aim to do. It would be nice to see if we could have one afternoon race session, but the RBs would have to have priority. I'm not sure how long the races for the RBs are now (I haven't done a RB nats for several years) but the Lechners could do short races if we got a windy session, so it's not just a light-air regatta.

Costs shouldn't be an issue, but I'm biased because this way I would feel happy doing the RBs just for fun without a set of new rigs.

Hi DII sailors
I am on the organising committee for the worlds.
I think it will be difficult to make it a World Championship for DII in November in Brisbane because of the difficulty in providing charter gear for the international sailors. Having only Australian sailors wouldn't be a good look. We are expecting a good New Zealand contingent so perhaps a few DIIs would come from there.

We are contemplating calling it a DII Oceanic Championship.
You would be entering this category instead of the Raceboard Worlds.

How many of you would be interested entering this category?
Is a 7.8m maximum sail size ok?

I wasn't thinking it would be a worlds anyway - just a sub-division at most, and mainly a chance to get together when the Raceboard worlds are attracting enough people to allow some of them to race D2s. The only other alternatives are to try to get people to travel just for D2s (difficult with such a small fleet) or tag in with the One Designs (impossible because running a WOD regatta is already so time- and resource-intensive due to the 4 disciplines that have to be done).

7.5 or 7.4 is probably better in my humble opinion. That means that people can use Lechner/D2 sails (7.3m, I think), IMCO 7.4s and Raceboard 7.5s fairly evenly. Once people are giving away 0.5m2 it would start to hurt. The class was originally 6.8; I don't know if many people would any benefit from allowing in 7.8s. If we went to bigger rigs why not go all the way to 8.5s where there are probably more sails available?

I think one of the joys of the D2 is that you can get lots of light and medium wind speed with a small and fairly light rig. Once the rig starts getting too big and heavy you start losing that, and people would struggle in a breeze. Personally I would say that we should use only one rig, apart from a much smaller "storm" sail that could be required to measure in (or be marked by the manufacturer) at 6.5 or 6 or less.

Thanks for helping to run the regatta.

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Hi DII sailors
I am on the organising committee for the worlds.
I think it will be difficult to make it a World Championship for DII in November in Brisbane because of the difficulty in providing charter gear for the international sailors. Having only Australian sailors wouldn't be a good look. We are expecting a good New Zealand contingent so perhaps a few DIIs would come from there.

We are contemplating calling it a DII Oceanic Championship.
You would be entering this category instead of the Raceboard Worlds.

How many of you would be interested entering this category?
Is a 7.8m maximum sail size ok?

Hi Tony,

Thanks for jumping on the scene.

As you noticed from my Avatar, I'm officially representing Division 2 Class Association (currently President of ID2CA ).

ID2CA is full Class Member of IWA which co organizes with Brisbane this 2016 RB / T293 World Championship.

We (D2) are not running after a World Championship Title as Chris mentioned earlier but want to take that opportunity to make a return in South Hemisphere.
Therefore, calling that D2 return "Oceanic " would be perfect...

I've been informed by my peers at IWA that we will need to be at least 5 sailors to have separate starting and ranking.
This is absolutely achievable and this is what we are aiming to. I'm also planning to attend so you could count on another Canadian participant

As a fully independent windsurfing Class, we race according to our Class rules that are available on IWA website here :

www.internationalwindsurfing.com/windsurfing_competion_0449v01.htm

Regarding rigs, very briefly (check Class rules for more details) there are 3 possibilities:
- Type A sails, up to 6.5 typical triangular short battens sails
- Type B sails, up to 7.5 full batten sails (i.e. IMCO 7.4 or Lechner 7.5)
with typical D2 board measurements as we all know them until 1992
- Type C sails, up to 9.5 m2, with customized board weight (down to 16kg max) and crew weights. This is new and this is a lab for preparing the future.

There is also an International Ranking System for D2 sailors participating to international official Events, available of IWA website.

"Official D2 Events" means and require
- Official Class rules to be implemented (or specific rules discussed/agreed with ID2CA)
- Sailors to be in good standing with their ID2CA Class Association (See IWA Website)

Finally, there is an official D2 Racing program also on IWA website and we would be very happy to add Brisbane.

I'm sure you are aware that D2s are making their big return at 2016 European Championship in Brest next August.

Feel free to contact me directly for any questions.

Ah, I forgot to add that I have a bunch of D2 boards and sails available that I could consider chartering to Australia if some of you are interested to buy.
About 5-10 boards....

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Chris 249 said..
I wasn't thinking it would be a worlds anyway - just a sub-division at most, and mainly a chance to get together when the Raceboard worlds are attracting enough people to allow some of them to race D2s. The only other alternatives are to try to get people to travel just for D2s (difficult with such a small fleet) or tag in with the One Designs (impossible because running a WOD regatta is already so time- and resource-intensive due to the 4 disciplines that have to be done).

7.5 or 7.4 is probably better in my humble opinion. That means that people can use Lechner/D2 sails (7.3m, I think), IMCO 7.4s and Raceboard 7.5s fairly evenly. Once people are giving away 0.5m2 it would start to hurt. The class was originally 6.8; I don't know if many people would any benefit from allowing in 7.8s. If we went to bigger rigs why not go all the way to 8.5s where there are probably more sails available?

I think one of the joys of the D2 is that you can get lots of light and medium wind speed with a small and fairly light rig. Once the rig starts getting too big and heavy you start losing that, and people would struggle in a breeze. Personally I would say that we should use only one rig, apart from a much smaller "storm" sail that could be required to measure in (or be marked by the manufacturer) at 6.5 or 6 or less.

Thanks for helping to run the regatta.

7.3 - 7.5 full batten sails are the most appropriate.
It seems they are still very popular in Australia, NZ and in the US.

Hi All
Please count me in for Brisbane if you get an event up.
I have pulled my Davidson off the market as the thought of participating in another D2 event after 30+ years is too good to resist. Just hoping the aged bones will last some much needed training and the event....
I will keep watching this forum or pm me.
Keen to get a fix on a sail decision and think the 7.5m2 is a good option.
Keep up the progress as it would be a wonderful to share this experience with other D2 enthusiasts.
Cheers
Geoff

Hi Geoff
The event in Brisbane is locked in. The 7.5 seems most likely.
We will have an NOR for you soon.
Hope to see you all up here in November.

Great work, Tony. I'll be there with the Lechner 7.3 and also get the Raceboard together.....anyone know of a 9.5 for sale? I'm not looking for a new one as the boats have the priority when it comes to spending.

Just remember, Dennis has to use his Wally rig to make it fair.

I have a mate with a Lechner a380 in his garage. He won't sell it to me but I'll tell him it's on and he might be keen.

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Jethrow said..
I have a mate with a Lechner a380 in his garage. He won't sell it to me but I'll tell him it's on and he might be keen.

Jethrow,

Do you mean a Lechner A390 (D2) or Lechner L380 (Rcb) ?

Div II, I must have mixed up my boeing's and my sailboards!