What are people using that they think work well? I can't find the 'right' solution for me. I've persisted with two solutions but but neither are perfect:


> Apple-cores: Have to buy heaps of them for multiple sails - $$. Pain to swap between 2 and sometimes 3 outhaul grommets on a sail. When running the sail bagged out, the line that runs up to the cleats often snags on the apple-core, particularly after a water start.

> D Shackles: Cheap and easily switchable between sails and grommets. However, hard on the outhaul rope (sharp bend around the shackle), and don't allow a nice, smooth application of outhaul.

There must be something better out there? What are people using and would recommend? Ideally it must be not cost-prohibitive, bulletproof, easy on the outhaul rope, allow smooth application, not get snagged or messed up while being tossed around in the water, easily switchable between different grommet positions on a sail.

Eckas.

Tried shackle, another set of pulleys & chinook thingys. Now i dont use anything, just use formuline is slippery enough to easy pull on outhaul even with big sails/lots of wind & most direct with nothing rattling around.

Unifiber sail outhaul double pulley

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eckas said..
What are people using that they think work well? I can't find the 'right' solution for me. I've persisted with two solutions but but neither are perfect:


> Apple-cores: Have to buy heaps of them for multiple sails - $$. Pain to swap between 2 and sometimes 3 outhaul grommets on a sail. When running the sail bagged out, the line that runs up to the cleats often snags on the apple-core, particularly after a water start.

> D Shackles: Cheap and easily switchable between sails and grommets. However, hard on the outhaul rope (sharp bend around the shackle), and don't allow a nice, smooth application of outhaul.

There must be something better out there? What are people using and would recommend? Ideally it must be not cost-prohibitive, bulletproof, easy on the outhaul rope, allow smooth application, not get snagged or messed up while being tossed around in the water, easily switchable between different grommet positions on a sail.

Eckas.

The absolute best thing I found, which I no longer bother using was a stainless d-shackle and a triple harken block (from Whitworths). The d-shackle is to go through the clew and the pin through the harken block. The pulleys have bearings and there is minimal resistance. You do have to thread the rope through though, but you leave it attached to the boom, so no real problems there.

It adds another 5cm to the total clew length, but that's not going to matter.

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mkseven said..
Tried shackle, another set of pulleys & chinook thingys. Now i dont use anything, just use formuline is slippery enough to easy pull on outhaul even with big sails/lots of wind & most direct with nothing rattling around.

same except I use dyneema instead of formuline

Thanks Legless but these are very close to the apple-cores I had tried and not been overjoyed with.

Cammd/Mkseven - how are you threading from the clew to the tripple pulleys on the boom end? I've seen North's very neat system that allows you to form a loop, push it through the eyelet, then back to a partially open pulley on the boom end but I don't have one of these. All my boom ends are strictly pulleys that require threading, not looping (if you know what I mean).

Eckas.

Just use 2 pulleys and thread it through the clew eyelet once. I find it is better than double loops because there is less friction.

l use a small version .its made from Riley Aust.

Chinook double clew thingy, just loop and go. Simples!!

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gavnwend said..
l use a small version .its made from Riley Aust.

What is the part number? It looks like RM435 but I can't find that in the riley website catalogue.

With the Severne Overdrives and Reflexs they have a built in adjustable clew attachment which is neat and functional.

After thread through clew go to opposite side of bottom pulley rather than same side like you do with chinook/loop go systems. The formuline stuff is low friction so not a problem rope on rope plus it lasts for ages.

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sailquik said...

gavnwend said..
l use a small version .its made from Riley Aust.

What is the part number? It looks like RM435 but I can't find that in the riley website catalogue.

you were close part# RM436.these are a gem if you can get hold of one its about 10 years old.

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sailquik said...

gavnwend said..
l use a small version .its made from Riley Aust.

What is the part number? It looks like RM435 but I can't find that in the riley website catalogue.

you were close part# RM436.these are a gem if you can get hold of one its about 10 years old.

i made one of these once with the 3d printer , worked by twisting the 2 halves 90 degrees to do it up or release it . worked really well for 7 sails the broke where i thought it would i designed it with the concept that the rope was pulling from the same spot as it does when it goes through the sail eyelet. Somone should make and sell them way less fiddly that the pully ones

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Dean 424 said..

With the Severne Overdrives and Reflexs they have a built in adjustable clew attachment which is neat and functional.

Ben Severne made some prototypes for an after-market kit to change eyelet to Reflex equivalent. Not sure if they made it to market.

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paddymac said..

Dean 424 said..

With the Severne Overdrives and Reflexs they have a built in adjustable clew attachment which is neat and functional.

Ben Severne made some prototypes for an after-market kit to change eyelet to Reflex equivalent. Not sure if they made it to market.

Not as good as that one Simon100 made!! That looks like a great idea.

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Ben Severne said..

paddymac said..

Dean 424 said..

With the Severne Overdrives and Reflexs they have a built in adjustable clew attachment which is neat and functional.

Ben Severne made some prototypes for an after-market kit to change eyelet to Reflex equivalent. Not sure if they made it to market.

Not as good as that one Simon100 made!! That looks like a great idea.

swap you a prototype for a sail

One captive pin halyard chackle, two mini kite blocks,
Stainless bolt and nilock nut with a couple of washers.
about thirty dollars.
works very well, stays attached to the boom, easy to move from eye to eye on the sail.

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tonymatta said..
One captive pin halyard chackle, two mini kite blocks,
Stainless bolt and nilock nut with a couple of washers.
about thirty dollars.
works very well, stays attached to the boom, easy to move from eye to eye on the sail.

Shackle part number and brand?

sadly, the Riley RM436 is not listed anymore.

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sailquik said...

tonymatta said..
One captive pin halyard chackle, two mini kite blocks,
Stainless bolt and nilock nut with a couple of washers.
about thirty dollars.
works very well, stays attached to the boom, easy to move from eye to eye on the sail.

Shackle part number and brand?

sadly, the Riley RM436 is not listed anymore.

its ashamed they have been discontinued GEM!

It is a captive pin Halyard shackle. 3/16". Ronstan Part number RF1032.
Mini Kite Blocks RF13101
I have used fancier roller bearing pulleys on previous occasions but these plastic ones are working ok.

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tonymatta said..
One captive pin halyard chackle, two mini kite blocks,
Stainless bolt and nilock nut with a couple of washers.
about thirty dollars.
works very well, stays attached to the boom, easy to move from eye to eye on the sail.

That is pretty cool - I like building my own stuff too... but you do know that it is possible to buy a Chinook eyelet pulley thingy for $20 ?

Mathew, Did you read the first post of this thread for why the Chinook eyelet pulley thingy is not so great?

> Apple-cores: Have to buy heaps of them for multiple sails - $$. Pain to swap between 2 and sometimes 3 outhaul grommets on a sail. When running the sail bagged out, the line that runs up to the cleats often snags on the apple-core, particularly after a water start.

Or are you referring to something other than the items pictured above?

My mate just rigged up a loft out haul
It's based on 2 small pulleys and a loop of twine

l use this system now the back peice on the boom end is fixed the bit on the eye clew takes about 10 seconds to fit .it never snags the bit on the boom end makes it easier to pull or dump the sail.

This is what i use.

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rrdsailor said...
This is what i use.

thats a rileys aust product GEM got one too

when my Rileys die i will go back to these:

I have a number of the Riley Pulleys I am happy to part with...