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Sandman1221 said..
If I had an aluminum fuselage I would paint it with Rustoelum enamel paint and top coat with Rustoelum clear enamel (automotive spray can), let cure 48 hrs between coats and before top coat of clear, then let cure 7 days after final coat before exposing to water. It does off gas for those 7 days, so need a place with low humidity that is warm to cure outside of living/breathing space (for my board, I used a spare bathroom with vent fan running on low). And I would treat the screws and inserts with Boeshield T-9 on a regular basis, it leaves a coat of hard wax over the anti corrosion chemicals, can spray into a condiment cup and use a Q-tip to apply (uses a lot less versus spraying), but I think you can also buy it in a regular bottle too.

I would not do what you are suggesting in a million years but I have a question about you suggested procedure: If rustoleoum enamel cures in 24 hours (per its brochure) , why let it cure for 7 days? Why do you care about off gassing? Paints can off gas for years and that is mainly a health concern as far as I know.
asking because I have seen you post about let other things cure for several days to off gas as well.

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WillyWind said..

Sandman1221 said..
If I had an aluminum fuselage I would paint it with Rustoelum enamel paint and top coat with Rustoelum clear enamel (automotive spray can), let cure 48 hrs between coats and before top coat of clear, then let cure 7 days after final coat before exposing to water. It does off gas for those 7 days, so need a place with low humidity that is warm to cure outside of living/breathing space (for my board, I used a spare bathroom with vent fan running on low). And I would treat the screws and inserts with Boeshield T-9 on a regular basis, it leaves a coat of hard wax over the anti corrosion chemicals, can spray into a condiment cup and use a Q-tip to apply (uses a lot less versus spraying), but I think you can also buy it in a regular bottle too.

I would not do what you are suggesting in a million years but I have a question about you suggested procedure: If rustoleoum enamel cures in 24 hours (per its brochure) , why let it cure for 7 days? Why do you care about off gassing? Paints can off gas for years and that is mainly a health concern as far as I know.
asking because I have seen you post about let other things cure for several days to off gas as well.

Maybe you are not considering exposure to water? I called rustoleum support and they said if it will come into contact with water you need to first let it cure for 7 days. As for off gassing, I painted my board with rustoleum automotive enamel paint in the garage, but here in Florida the humidity was 65% and the paint needs to cure in less than 50% humidity and above 70 degrees F. So after maybe 6-8 hrs when paint was dry to touch brought it inside house, the off gasses made my sinuses swell, and rustoleum support said to not leave it in an area inside the house while it cures because the fumes are not good to breath, they should know!

Has anyone had a fuselage made in North America compatible with SAB?

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Hess said..
Has anyone had a fuselage made in North America compatible with SAB?

SAB masts, wings or stabilizers? They have a huge array of factory fuselages so not a lot of call for anything custom.

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Grantmac said..

Hess said..
Has anyone had a fuselage made in North America compatible with SAB?

SAB masts, wings or stabilizers? They have a huge array of factory fuselages so not a lot of call for anything custom.

I have all of the above but would like to tinker with a few things that SAB does not offer. From my perspective they do not really have a Wave WindFoil Fuselage.

What would you change?

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Hess said..
Has anyone had a fuselage made in North America compatible with SAB?

There is a person in hood River who makes custom fuselages. I cannot remember his name though.

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WillyWind said..

Hess said..
Has anyone had a fuselage made in North America compatible with SAB?

There is a person in hood River who makes custom fuselages. I cannot remember his name though.

www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Windsurfing/Foiling/Making-A-Fuselage?page=1#9

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WillyWind said..
There is a person in hood River who makes custom fuselages. I cannot remember his name though.

Jim Stringfield. AkA: Stringy.

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Hess said..

Grantmac said..

Hess said..
Has anyone had a fuselage made in North America compatible with SAB?

SAB masts, wings or stabilizers? They have a huge array of factory fuselages so not a lot of call for anything custom.

I have all of the above but would like to tinker with a few things that SAB does not offer. From my perspective they do not really have a Wave WindFoil Fuselage.

It's actually Jim Stringfellow. His company is Livewire Prototyping Inc. He can build it... That said, I bet your problems would be solved if you put Foil Tracks in that board...

Thanks for the input everyone.

I did reach out to Jim and he can help me. Provided I still think it is worth doing. The cost looks around $300USD plus shipping

Now I need some advise. To set things up I am very happy WWF with the gear I have and don't have a problem. Just think it would be fun to experiment. What I would prefer is some foil manufacturer to come out with a WWF line based on PWA WWF input.

What I was thinking of doing was getting a shorter fuselage to see how it effects performance windfoiling on a swell/wave. Only because the Wingers are using shorter fuselages. I am thinking maybe 50mm shorter

So if we change the length it effects:
Turning radius?
Pitch stability?
Force from the stabilizer? given we shorten from the tail

What else?
Is it better to just change the stabilizer?

What gets effected if we change the location of mast in the fuselage?

You'll run into having the foil too far back because of how your Roberts board is designed. Get some tracks put in and you could try a variety of available fuselages from SAB.

I know someone who rides strapless in the Gorge his current setup ,board made by Ding King Maui with tracks and riding Axis foils he is using a703 mm fuse. Most of the reef Warrior crew from the Great Lakes all use Go Foil witch have a shorter fuse. I agree with Grantmac ditch the Tuttle add traks.

I have used my AFS W95 foil with "88" cm fuselage and S670 cm wing for down wind runs on swell/waves in the 2-3 foot range, works great, fast too! But the AFS fuselage projects out past the wing by an inch and stab. by 1.5 inches, so is actually a bit shorter. Handles great all around, can make sharp turns to cut out and go back to a cross wind run, very maneuverable and stable, the mast and fuselage stiffness contribute to stability.

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It's actually Jim Stringfellow. His company is Livewire Prototyping Inc. He can build it... That said, I bet your problems would be solved if you put Foil Tracks in that board...

I knew that... pretty sure I typed that. Just tried it again Stringfellow autocorrected to Stringfield who'd a thunk that?

You can't really compare our windfoils with those of the wingers. They have only two points of downforce: feet. We have those two plus that big--and extremely variable--third point of downforce: the sail. It's that huge variability in sail downforce that requires the stability offered by longer fuses.

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segler said..
You can't really compare our windfoils with those of the wingers. They have only two points of downforce: feet. We have those two plus that big--and extremely variable--third point of downforce: the sail. It's that huge variability in sail downforce that requires the stability offered by longer fuses.

About 4 months ago I switched to standard fuselage(Gong), length of foil from from leading edge of front wing to trailing of stab is 76cm, i don't use foot straps or harness anymore either, lots of fun, would not want to come back to longer fusillade, my board has tuttle box but set forward. Free ride/free wave what I'm after. New board that should come in 2 months (custom tillo) will have tracks to make things simpler in the future

With the sail mast base back in the position used for foil style/wave foiling it's not that dissimilar from winging. Usually need a bigger tail though.