Thanks guys, that's a great help

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Grantmac said..
Both boards I'm considering are 66cm although one has a ~58cm tail and the other is a freestyle board. I thought the Glide wings were designed around narrower boards?

Sounds like you need the standard small wing set. Large is for wide boards
The small still has plenty of lift

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tonyk said..

Grantmac said..
Both boards I'm considering are 66cm although one has a ~58cm tail and the other is a freestyle board. I thought the Glide wings were designed around narrower boards?

Sounds like you need the standard small wing set. Large is for wide boards
The small still has plenty of lift

Currently on the Slingshot 76cm and I want more lift than that. My experience has been that board width is more related to sail size rather than foil span. But then again most of my miles are on Slingshot stuff.

Have you tried the large Glide on a narrow board?

The guy I foil most often with uses a Glide M on JP 135 at 155 lbs, same weight as me.
Hard to decipher exact span and area, as I'm no mathmatician.
Seems around 75 width and 1200 sq.cm., close to SS 76.
NP Glide L is bigger, but by how much?
Also, your 180 lbs or so should be able to bank the 66 wide board even with inset and single rear straps, unlessyou're looking for rail to rail S turns while in both straps.
Still, I wonder what the wing span and area of Glide L?

I can't tell you the area but the Large is 862mm wide and the chord at the centre is 230mm.

They aren't huge wings, but the airfoil looks to be biased towards higher lift rather than lower drag or pitch stability like the Slingshot Infinity wings are. Also I believe the anhedral shape is for more carving ability rather than roll stability. Overall it seems like they are a maneouver oriented wing.

Thanks, I couldn't find specs.

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LeeD said..
My Naish is 73cm wide.
Widest WS board ever owned was 68.
155 lbs.
If I were going to windfoil, I would start with close to 91 wide so Ixd have the security and stability to sail in breezes of 1+ to get TO and FROM the wind line. Wind often drops, but sometimes the wind swells stay around and sometimes you get refraction chop. A wide board brings you home, but just as important, it allows you to go out in marginal conditions.
I see foilers on 91 cm boards foil in winds around 27 mph and have no problems with board size.
At those gusts, I'm fully powered with 4.5 and 85 liter ws boards.
I also see no gain in these 115 or smaller boards, because none of us a freestyling.

Lee
Thanks for your pointers. I have the NP Wind Glide S & L, and have been using them on a Bic Techno 148 (75 cm wide) with some success. However, the rear strap is too far forward of the box and I have to use too much heel pressure which is common on slalom boards. My goal is to sail in 10 - 16 knots in a comfortable well-balanced position. I am 72 kg.

I am ready to buy a dedicated foil board. I have a chance to buy a new heavily discounted NAISH HOVER 2019 142 (or 122). My thinking is that the twin A boxes will allow me to tune the relative foil to strap position. I think this will help with the problem of mixing foil and board manufacturers.

Lee, is your Naish the Hover 122 or just happens to be the same width, 73 cm? How does it go with the NP Glides, which ones do you have?

The other problem I have is that I have not seen the Naish boards (1500 km from dealer and he has them packed in a warehouse to offer the discount). The pdf images of the top and bottom of the board that he provided are not quite to scale (length and width ratios don't match).

It would be great if you or others who have the NAISH HOVER 142 OR 122 could measure the DISTANCE FROM THE BOARD TAIL TO THE A BOX AND THE DISTANCE FROM THE TAIL TO ONE OF THE REAR FOOT SCRAP SCREWS.

I would also appreciate any other suggestions for dedicated foil boards that work well with the NP Glides.

NP's I've seen are all deep tuttle or power, not twin track.
122 Hover is kinda small for stated volume, hence '20's are thicker 125.

Jp 135 works perfectly.

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Windborne said..

LeeD said..
My Naish is 73cm wide.
Widest WS board ever owned was 68.
155 lbs.
If I were going to windfoil, I would start with close to 91 wide so Ixd have the security and stability to sail in breezes of 1+ to get TO and FROM the wind line. Wind often drops, but sometimes the wind swells stay around and sometimes you get refraction chop. A wide board brings you home, but just as important, it allows you to go out in marginal conditions.
I see foilers on 91 cm boards foil in winds around 27 mph and have no problems with board size.
At those gusts, I'm fully powered with 4.5 and 85 liter ws boards.
I also see no gain in these 115 or smaller boards, because none of us a freestyling.

Lee
Thanks for your pointers. I have the NP Wind Glide S & L, and have been using them on a Bic Techno 148 (75 cm wide) with some success. However, the rear strap is too far forward of the box and I have to use too much heel pressure which is common on slalom boards. My goal is to sail in 10 - 16 knots in a comfortable well-balanced position. I am 72 kg.

I am ready to buy a dedicated foil board. I have a chance to buy a new heavily discounted NAISH HOVER 2019 142 (or 122). My thinking is that the twin A boxes will allow me to tune the relative foil to strap position. I think this will help with the problem of mixing foil and board manufacturers.

Lee, is your Naish the Hover 122 or just happens to be the same width, 73 cm? How does it go with the NP Glides, which ones do you have?

The other problem I have is that I have not seen the Naish boards (1500 km from dealer and he has them packed in a warehouse to offer the discount). The pdf images of the top and bottom of the board that he provided are not quite to scale (length and width ratios don't match).

It would be great if you or others who have the NAISH HOVER 142 OR 122 could measure the DISTANCE FROM THE BOARD TAIL TO THE A BOX AND THE DISTANCE FROM THE TAIL TO ONE OF THE REAR FOOT SCRAP SCREWS.

I would also appreciate any other suggestions for dedicated foil boards that work well with the NP Glides.

what leeD said
- go the jp 135 hydro foil 860W, these things are strong so you could get a second hand one and it would be 40% of the new price, i use it with both the wing sets you already have and it's very good

TonyK and LeeD, thanks for your tips. Looking into the jp 135fws now.

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LeeD said..
NP's I've seen are all deep tuttle or power, not twin track.
122 Hover is kinda small for stated volume, hence '20's are thicker 125.

NP absolutely offers a twin track head, it's standard on the surf version.

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NP Glide Wind Foil Specs
From the NP Glide Wind Foil 2020 website















GLIDE WIND SPECS

WING SPAN CM/IN CHORD LENGTH CM/IN TOP AREA CM2 / IN2 BOTTOM AREA CM2 / IN2 PROJECTION AREA CM2/IN2
Front wing S 63.6 / 25 22 / 8.7 1148 / 177.9 1044.8 /161.9 1045 / 162
Front wing M 74.9 / 29.5 22.6 / 8.9 1370.9 / 212.5 1310.4 / 203.1 1262.7 / 195.7
Front wing SLIM M 80.2 / 31.6 20.7 / 8.1 1302.5 / 201.9 1256.1 / 194.7 1230.1 / 190.7
Front wing L 85.8 / 33.8 23.1 / 9.1 1602.2 / 248.3 1537.4 / 238.3 1484.7 / 230.1
Front wing XL 100 / 39.4 24 / 9.4 2083.4 / 322.9 2029 / 314.5 1963.7 / 304.4
Tail wing S 39.5 / 15.6 7.7 / 3 245.4 / 38 248.5 / 38.5 230.5 / 35.7
Tail wing L 51 / 20.1 8 / 3.1 330.3 / 51.2 336.3 / 52.1 316.7 / 49.1

Well, bought the latest 2020 in the end, first ever go last night, rigged well on my iSonic. Very good sensations for first time, some 15sec flights and good crashes. Exciting to learn something new again. And that silence when you leave the water...
Joy seems to be proportional to height.

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LeStef said..
... Exciting to learn something new again. And that silence when you leave the water...
Joy seems to be proportional to height.

Yes, the silence. It's difficult to convey to those who haven't experienced it. Glad you are enjoying the new challenges.

That function of joy to height, however, is not linear. Somewhere around h = 78cm it goes all pear shaped.

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LeStef said..
Well, bought the latest 2020 in the end, first ever go last night, rigged well on my iSonic. Very good sensations for first time, some 15sec flights and good crashes. Exciting to learn something new again. And that silence when you leave the water...
Joy seems to be proportional to height.

What wings and mast length did you get?

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tonyk said..

What wings and mast length did you get?

The new 2020 is 80cm and small wing, (I am below 70 kg), fits in my deep tuttle box of iSonic 117. Cheers.