I found this video

www.facebook.com/iqfoil/videos/519248809646950/

but cannot seem to be able to find the results.

I guess the results will be updated this evening, French time.

iqfoilclass.org/iqworlds2022/

Previous website hasnt been updated.

Try this

iqworlds2022brest.sailti.com/en/default/races/race-resultsall

Live tracking, next race at 14:00 CET
enter.sailracer.org/eventsites/live-screen-tracking-club.asp?eventid=224750&labels=S&templ=club_tracking

They are racing now, live tracking you have to click on the correct group which now is .... mens gold

Why is Nico Goyard so far behind in the ranking? Is he injured, not training too much for iQFoil, or the rest just caught up with him?

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WillyWind said..
Why is Nico Goyard so far behind in the ranking? Is he injured, not training too much for iQFoil, or the rest just caught up with him?

I believe that he didn't dominate in sylt either. I think the group just caught up to him. Apparently 2 years ago, none of the other PWA sailors had front wings in the size he was using and they definitely were not trying to foil in the conditions he was back then. But that has all changed now. However, maybe iq foil isn't really his focus

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WillyWind said..
Why is Nico Goyard so far behind in the ranking? Is he injured, not training too much for iQFoil, or the rest just caught up with him?

I believe that he didn't dominate in sylt either. I think the group just caught up to him. Apparently 2 years ago, none of the other PWA sailors had front wings in the size he was using and they definitely were not trying to foil in the conditions he was back then. But that has all changed now. However, maybe iq foil isn't really his focus

From his various Blog posts and such - I believe he blew a start completely and had another bad race to go with a bullet, so with only one day of qualifying he didn't make the Gold fleet, and rather than race in the Silver fleet he just went home. He's definitely been working on speed and PWA more than IQ - the 900 wing must look like a joke to him, so the people who've really been training on that gear, and even racing it in open class, have a huge mechanical but also tactical advantage, since they'll understand the laylines and best downwind angles so much more clearly and intuitively. Today's racing favored the heavyweights and was amazing to watch - the downwind and reaching legs were incredibly awkward but their power and command upwind in 25-30 was ridiculous.

I haven't been able to watch any. I saw this though. I have no idea what's going on

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aeroegnr said..
I haven't been able to watch any. I saw this though. I have no idea what's going

He should learn how to speak an at least approximately proper English ... not to mention being a little bit clearer about what a hell he is complaining about.

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duzzi said..

aeroegnr said..
I haven't been able to watch any. I saw this though. I have no idea what's going

He should learn how to speak an at least approximately proper English ... not to mention being a little bit clearer about what a hell he is complaining about.

Yeah I don't know either

The IQFoil scoring system is 'unique'. If you have any familiarity with the traditional scoring of sailing you could see where the problems could arise. With the current scoring system for example you could utterly dominate the event win every race by a mile (except the medal race) and when all said and done not win the event. This has actually happened to his brother before in the classes infancy. Some would argue that's not fair and does not happen in most major sailing regattas, including the current Olympic format (which also has it's detractors).

From my reading, Thomas was leading the event after day 1 and was 5th before the final day. He had a series of bad races near the end and he missed the final 10 which go into the finals (where the scores are reset...another point of contention). You could argue that under normal regatta scoring, and probably given another drop, if those finals were in fact fleet races Thomas could have made it back to the podium if everything had gone well. His brother (multiple world champ) also missed gold fleet due to an OCS etc and given the scoring system decided it wasn't worth continuing.

I don't think anyone is arguing Kordel didn't deserve to win the event, he dominated, but the current scoring system can blow up the podium results pretty easily. Resetting the regatta scores going into the finals can bring in an element of luck as a factor. Sailing scoring has traditionally rewarded the best sailor over the whole event, this can in circumstances simply reward the best sailor at a point in time during the event.

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CJW said..
The IQFoil scoring system is 'unique'. If you have any familiarity with the traditional scoring of sailing you could see where the problems could arise. With the current scoring system for example you could utterly dominate the event win every race by a mile (except the medal race) and when all said and done not win the event. This has actually happened to his brother before in the classes infancy. Some would argue that's not fair and does not happen in most major sailing regattas, including the current Olympic format (which also has it's detractors).

From my reading, Thomas was leading the event after day 1 and was 5th before the final day. He had a series of bad races near the end and he missed the final 10 which go into the finals (where the scores are reset...another point of contention). You could argue that under normal regatta scoring, and probably given another drop, if those finals were in fact fleet races Thomas could have made it back to the podium if everything had gone well. His brother (multiple world champ) also missed gold fleet due to an OCS etc and given the scoring system decided it wasn't worth continuing.

I don't think anyone is arguing Kordel didn't deserve to win the event, he dominated, but the current scoring system can blow up the podium results pretty easily. Resetting the regatta scores going into the finals can bring in an element of luck as a factor. Sailing scoring has traditionally rewarded the best sailor over the whole event, this can in circumstances simply reward the best sailor at a point in time during the event.

Thank you for the explanation. I feel like I should know this for my first race coming up but I've been so focused on just not running into the other racers .

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duzzi said..

aeroegnr said..
I haven't been able to watch any. I saw this though. I have no idea what's going

He should learn how to speak an at least approximately proper English ... not to mention being a little bit clearer about what a hell he is complaining about.

Or you could learn how to read his post in French

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CJW said..
The IQFoil scoring system is 'unique'. If you have any familiarity with the traditional scoring of sailing you could see where the problems could arise. With the current scoring system for example you could utterly dominate the event win every race by a mile (except the medal race) and when all said and done not win the event. This has actually happened to his brother before in the classes infancy. Some would argue that's not fair and does not happen in most major sailing regattas, including the current Olympic format (which also has it's detractors).

From my reading, Thomas was leading the event after day 1 and was 5th before the final day. He had a series of bad races near the end and he missed the final 10 which go into the finals (where the scores are reset...another point of contention). You could argue that under normal regatta scoring, and probably given another drop, if those finals were in fact fleet races Thomas could have made it back to the podium if everything had gone well. His brother (multiple world champ) also missed gold fleet due to an OCS etc and given the scoring system decided it wasn't worth continuing.

I don't think anyone is arguing Kordel didn't deserve to win the event, he dominated, but the current scoring system can blow up the podium results pretty easily. Resetting the regatta scores going into the finals can bring in an element of luck as a factor. Sailing scoring has traditionally rewarded the best sailor over the whole event, this can in circumstances simply reward the best sailor at a point in time during the event.

Is he thinking he could of jumped 10 places in one day of racing? I could see someone complaining if they were third going into the final day and failed to get through the semi final into the final so missed out on a medal. But someone who is 11th going into the final day, not sure what they have to complain about. Having said all that I think for the olympics I would think scoring should be consistent across all the sailing disciplines

They have had a wide range of conditions this week, finals in barely enough wind on Saturday, 25+ knots on Friday. With and without rain. I've watch some racing on the livestream during the week. At one point they started a race and the sailors were hidden from the camera by the rain.

www.facebook.com/iqfoil/videos/1303484060388743
QF action starts around 1:24 into the livestream. 3 of the women werent on the foil at the start as there was no wind and missed the start.

Women's final 2:14 into the livestream,Men's 2:47.

Well done to Marta Maggetti for winning the women's, she we equal 1st going into the last day. Also Seb Koerdel for the mens, also dominate during the week, 10 wins from 17 before finals day (7 wins in the gold fleet after they had done the preliminary rounds)
iqworlds2022brest.sailti.com/en/default/races/race-resultsall

I dislike this race format for the medal races. Nothing wrong with the Olympic sailing method. IIRC 10 races, 1 discard, top 10 go into the medal race which scored double points. It means if you have a good week you might be unbeatable in the MR, which is ok as you have dominated the week. Cutting the numbers down to 10 is easier for the viewers to follow, especially the medallists.
The PWA system is fine for PWA racing, up to 15 races with 4 discards (IIRC). But for Olympics where they might only show the medal races on TV and not the whole week, 1 double points medal race is better.

As seen Saturday in the womens QF, Sharhar Tibi was 3rd place overall previous to Saturday's MR, but in the MR flukey winds at the start that ended her chances. Thats not really fair, as Tomas Goyard wrote, all that work building up to the event, then due to the flukey wind. Why didnt they abandon the start?
In the final itself, at one point Maggetti was the only one on the foil as the other 2 dropped off the foil, but Maggetti chose a different line on the DW leg.

Also congratulations to the German coach Dom Tidey, who the GB team dropped after years in the job, bad call I would say. He is from the same town as myself. The last time I saw him he was helping out on a rib at a club race and popped over to ask if I was ok as I was swimming around near the start line as the wind had died

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CJW said..
The IQFoil scoring system is 'unique'. If you have any familiarity with the traditional scoring of sailing you could see where the problems could arise. With the current scoring system for example you could utterly dominate the event win every race by a mile (except the medal race) and when all said and done not win the event. This has actually happened to his brother before in the classes infancy. Some would argue that's not fair and does not happen in most major sailing regattas, including the current Olympic format (which also has it's detractors).

From my reading, Thomas was leading the event after day 1 and was 5th before the final day. He had a series of bad races near the end and he missed the final 10 which go into the finals (where the scores are reset...another point of contention). You could argue that under normal regatta scoring, and probably given another drop, if those finals were in fact fleet races Thomas could have made it back to the podium if everything had gone well. His brother (multiple world champ) also missed gold fleet due to an OCS etc and given the scoring system decided it wasn't worth continuing.

I don't think anyone is arguing Kordel didn't deserve to win the event, he dominated, but the current scoring system can blow up the podium results pretty easily. Resetting the regatta scores going into the finals can bring in an element of luck as a factor. Sailing scoring has traditionally rewarded the best sailor over the whole event, this can in circumstances simply reward the best sailor at a point in time during the event.

I think Goyard had a bad day on the Thursday. On the windy Friday he was 4th and 8th. I think even in a traditional Olympic format he wouldnt have made the final 10 for the medal race. In the 4 preliminary races they can discard 1, in the next 10 they can discard 2. If they could discard 3 he would still have been 11th.

I dont think he was complaining about how the format affected his week, but for the possibility of what happened in the women's QF, Sharhar Tibi was 3rd place overall previous to Saturday's MR, but in the MR flukey winds at the start that ended her chances.

iqworlds2022brest.sailti.com/en/default/races/race-resultsall

The livestreams have been uploaded to youtube
Friday's 25+ knots winds

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I think Goyard had a bad day on the Thursday. On the windy Friday he was 4th and 8th. I think even in a traditional Olympic format he wouldnt have made the final 10 for the medal race. In the 4 preliminary races they can discard 1, in the next 10 they can discard 2. If they could discard 3 he would still have been 11th.

I dont think he was complaining about how the format affected his week, but for the possibility of what happened in the women's QF, Sharhar Tibi was 3rd place overall previous to Saturday's MR, but in the MR flukey winds at the start that ended her chances.

iqworlds2022brest.sailti.com/en/default/races/race-resultsall

Yeah thanks for the clarification I was only speculating about that part as I didn't follow it super closely, I do think my description of the potential format gripes were basically on point though. I'm not a fan of it, I'm not even a fan of the current olympic format with the double points medal race but as least as said above if you dominate the week you will still win the event....but I guess is the way it's going, SailGP does a similar same thing to IQfoil.

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PhilUK said..
They have had a wide range of conditions this week, finals in barely enough wind on Saturday, 25+ knots on Friday. With and without rain. I've watch some racing on the livestream during the week. At one point they started a race and the sailors were hidden from the camera by the rain.

www.facebook.com/iqfoil/videos/1303484060388743
QF action starts around 1:24 into the livestream. 3 of the women werent on the foil at the start as there was no wind and missed the start.

Women's final 2:14 into the livestream,Men's 2:47.

Well done to Marta Maggetti for winning the women's, she we equal 1st going into the last day. Also Seb Koerdel for the mens, also dominate during the week, 10 wins from 17 before finals day (7 wins in the gold fleet after they had done the preliminary rounds)
iqworlds2022brest.sailti.com/en/default/races/race-resultsall

I dislike this race format for the medal races. Nothing wrong with the Olympic sailing method. IIRC 10 races, 1 discard, top 10 go into the medal race which scored double points. It means if you have a good week you might be unbeatable in the MR, which is ok as you have dominated the week. Cutting the numbers down to 10 is easier for the viewers to follow, especially the medallists.
The PWA system is fine for PWA racing, up to 15 races with 4 discards (IIRC). But for Olympics where they might only show the medal races on TV and not the whole week, 1 double points medal race is better.

As seen Saturday in the womens QF, Sharhar Tibi was 3rd place overall previous to Saturday's MR, but in the MR flukey winds at the start that ended her chances. Thats not really fair, as Tomas Goyard wrote, all that work building up to the event, then due to the flukey wind. Why didnt they abandon the start?
In the final itself, at one point Maggetti was the only one on the foil as the other 2 dropped off the foil, but Maggetti chose a different line on the DW leg.

Also congratulations to the German coach Dom Tidey, who the GB team dropped after years in the job, bad call I would say. He is from the same town as myself. The last time I saw him he was helping out on a rib at a club race and popped over to ask if I was ok as I was swimming around near the start line as the wind had died

The Olympic format of double points final race sounds good.

But sounds like sometimes the final race didn't matter so they changed it to this format.

Other than making the final day of IQ foil relevant are there any other benefits to the current IQ foil system?

Sail gp is a bit different than IQ foil. They put the top three boats into a single final.

world surf league switched to a winner take all final day, where the top five ranked surfers go into a one day surf off for the world title. Hoping we will all watch that last day?

Other than making the final day of IQ foil relevant are there any other benefits to the current IQ foil system?

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duzzi said..
He should learn how to speak an at least approximately proper English ... not to mention being a little bit clearer about what a hell he is complaining about.

'murica


... but in all seriousness I think there is a part one to his reel post.

If they want to make the finals exciting to watch, they can do a lot better than a 3 man short course slalom. The beauty and challenge of racing is full fleets and tactical racing. Not 3 min of follow the leader in a 3 man race.

Here at least is what he was ranting about. Lots of people were copying his story with no context and agreeing

The interesting thing is that they did not bother to follow the official IQ Foil Class racing rules. The rules at www.iqfoilclassofficial.org/_files/ugd/297cf0_d7a5ca5f25014e37ab3f06df1e047b71.pdf, which are dated August 22, 2022, state:
"5.1. A Medal Series shall be sailed on the last scheduled day of racing and will consist of 3
(three) Medal Races (Quarter Final, Semi Final and Grand Final), which will be sailed to de-
termine the overall winner of each event
5.2. 7 (seven) boards ranked overall positions 4th to 10 th from Opening Series will sail one Quar-
ter Final race.
5.3. 2 (two) highest ranked boards from the Quarter Final race, plus the 2nd and 3 rd overall posi-
tions from the Opening Series will sail one Semi Final race.
5.4. 2 (two) highest ranked boards from the Semi Final race, plus the 1st overall positions from the
Opening Series will sail one Grand Final race."

I remember seeing the three finals in previous IQ foil races, and they were great for spectators. Seems they have refined the rules to make sure that the top scorer will always be in the medal race (top 4), and 2nd and 3rd will be in the semifinals. This is a mix of how many other olympic events are run (rounds of single eliminations), and sailing rules that take averages from multiple races into account.

I don't think Thomas Goyard is complaining about how the event was run because he finished 11th. He did very well in just 7 of the 14 races, but was in the middle of the pack in the other races, so no scoring change would have helped him. What he is complaining about is that just one single final race between the top 10 competitors determined the medals, without a quarter final and a semi final as the rules demand. He has a very valid point there. The real question is why the organizers decided to simply ignore the class rules, and why they got away with it. But then, the event was held in France...

Can we agree that Robert Hofmann was the most useless play-by-play announcer ever and that the whole broadcast would have been a disaster without the class, expertise and enthusiasm of Valerie Boutet? (I loved her talking about the kids: "Besides, they are f-cking good!")

The producers did an awful job of setting up cameras and angles. The women's quarters were a case in point. Both announcers thought Katy Spychakov came second and Peleg third because the viewing angle was so deceptive. They never circled back to clarify what had happened - whether a protest or just a poor call of the race. Very poor use of drone coverage which should by now be a pretty standard skill for events like these, especially on light wind days like the day of the finals.

So inspiring to spend the morning myself struggling to fly through just one decent gybe on an 8.5 and then watch these sailors crank gybe after gybe in all weathers. Inspiring also to watch the men's final, in about 8kt winds, and the RIB jury boat just BLASTING to keep up on the broad reach.

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Can we agree that Robert Hofmann was the most useless play-by-play announcer ever and that the whole broadcast would have been a disaster without the class, expertise and enthusiasm of Valerie Boutet? (I loved her talking about the kids: "Besides, they are f-cking good!")

Yeah that was there best.

I am grateful for any coverage. We seemed to have a couple of hundo people watching the live whereas sail gp gets about 5k. Sail gp has a lot more sponsorship, so i think we need to to be forgiving on my the quality of commentary and footage.

I do think YT is a better platform than Facebook live for me streaming though

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boardsurfr said..
The interesting thing is that they did not bother to follow the official IQ Foil Class racing rules. The rules at www.iqfoilclassofficial.org/_files/ugd/297cf0_d7a5ca5f25014e37ab3f06df1e047b71.pdf, which are dated August 22, 2022, state:
"5.1. A Medal Series shall be sailed on the last scheduled day of racing and will consist of 3
(three) Medal Races (Quarter Final, Semi Final and Grand Final), which will be sailed to de-
termine the overall winner of each event
5.2. 7 (seven) boards ranked overall positions 4th to 10 th from Opening Series will sail one Quar-
ter Final race.
5.3. 2 (two) highest ranked boards from the Quarter Final race, plus the 2nd and 3 rd overall posi-
tions from the Opening Series will sail one Semi Final race.
5.4. 2 (two) highest ranked boards from the Semi Final race, plus the 1st overall positions from the
Opening Series will sail one Grand Final race."

I remember seeing the three finals in previous IQ foil races, and they were great for spectators. Seems they have refined the rules to make sure that the top scorer will always be in the medal race (top 4), and 2nd and 3rd will be in the semifinals. This is a mix of how many other olympic events are run (rounds of single eliminations), and sailing rules that take averages from multiple races into account.

I don't think Thomas Goyard is complaining about how the event was run because he finished 11th. He did very well in just 7 of the 14 races, but was in the middle of the pack in the other races, so no scoring change would have helped him. What he is complaining about is that just one single final race between the top 10 competitors determined the medals, without a quarter final and a semi final as the rules demand. He has a very valid point there. The real question is why the organizers decided to simply ignore the class rules, and why they got away with it. But then, the event was held in France...

The did have QF, SF & Final at Brest.

BTW, I wrote earlier, Sharhar Tibi was 3rd place overall previous to Saturday's MR. Not quite correct, she was on equal points for 3rd, but 4th on countback.

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The did have QF, SF & Final at Brest.

I had not watched the races, just looked at the results, where they did not bother to show the results of the quarter finals and semi finals separately.

So they raced exactly like the rules require, and Thomas Goyard complained about it afterwards. That means his complaints really make no sense. The overall winner, Sebastian Koerdel, got a bullet in 9 of the 14 races before the final 3 races. Nobody else came even close, and he was guaranteed a third place when entering the finals. The Dutch guys on 2nd and 3rd place also had exactly the same position after the first 14 races. The guy in 4th place gained one spot in the quarterfinal, and the guy in 7th place lost 3 spots. But they all were close enough that these changes could have happened in another regular race, too.

So Thomas Goyard is just whining, similar to Mateo Iacchino a few years ago at the Silvaplana races. That's simply poor sportsmanship.

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CJW said..
The IQFoil scoring system is 'unique'. If you have any familiarity with the traditional scoring of sailing you could see where the problems could arise. With the current scoring system for example you could utterly dominate the event win every race by a mile (except the medal race) and when all said and done not win the event. This has actually happened to his brother before in the classes infancy. Some would argue that's not fair and does not happen in most major sailing regattas, including the current Olympic format (which also has it's detractors).

From my reading, Thomas was leading the event after day 1 and was 5th before the final day. He had a series of bad races near the end and he missed the final 10 which go into the finals (where the scores are reset...another point of contention). You could argue that under normal regatta scoring, and probably given another drop, if those finals were in fact fleet races Thomas could have made it back to the podium if everything had gone well. His brother (multiple world champ) also missed gold fleet due to an OCS etc and given the scoring system decided it wasn't worth continuing.

I don't think anyone is arguing Kordel didn't deserve to win the event, he dominated, but the current scoring system can blow up the podium results pretty easily. Resetting the regatta scores going into the finals can bring in an element of luck as a factor. Sailing scoring has traditionally rewarded the best sailor over the whole event, this can in circumstances simply reward the best sailor at a point in time during the event.

What annoys me about the recent World Sailing decision to put so much emphasis on the medal race is that the underlying claim is complete bollocks. They say that the problem with the old system was that the winner was not decided in the last race - but the same applies to many of the world's biggest sporting events. Formula 1, the British Premier League soccer and the Tour de France are normally decided before the last event, but that hasn't stopped them becoming enormously popular.

The "last race takes all" concept is just utterly stupid and vacuous, and it's disheartening if the IQ Foil has taken a dumb concept even further.

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PhilUK said..
The did have QF, SF & Final at Brest.

I had not watched the races, just looked at the results, where they did not bother to show the results of the quarter finals and semi finals separately.

So they raced exactly like the rules require, and Thomas Goyard complained about it afterwards. That means his complaints really make no sense. The overall winner, Sebastian Koerdel, got a bullet in 9 of the 14 races before the final 3 races. Nobody else came even close, and he was guaranteed a third place when entering the finals. The Dutch guys on 2nd and 3rd place also had exactly the same position after the first 14 races. The guy in 4th place gained one spot in the quarterfinal, and the guy in 7th place lost 3 spots. But they all were close enough that these changes could have happened in another regular race, too.

So Thomas Goyard is just whining, similar to Mateo Iacchino a few years ago at the Silvaplana races. That's simply poor sportsmanship.

But as you said, no one came close to Koerdel. So in that case, why should be in a position where he could have finished as low as third? If you dominate, you should be in a dominant position in the last race, or not even have to do it just like Michael Schumacher, Vettel, Proust and other greats of F1 racing have not had to do the last few races. In Formula One, the winner of the year's title is regularly decided before the last race (or last few races) and the winner has not always even been ALIVE when they won it; Jochen Rindt was killed practising before race 10 of 13 but still won! And yet F1 still gets enormous ratings.

In the Tour de France the last day is just ceremonial for the overall contenders, most of the time, and it's still one of the most watched events of the year. So the whole medal race idea is just bulls**t since major sporting events clearly don't need a winner-take-all final.

Sailing's popularity has shrunk since World Sailing started BS like the medal race; it's a classic example of a stupid idea, based on an illogical concept, driven by a panicked rush to try to "modernise" rather than trying to play to sailing's strengths. Although the IOC no longer publishes ratings figures, back when they did it was noticeable that WS's attempts to make sailing more TV-friendly were not working. Instead of accepting that, and worrying about the sport's integrity and the link between grass roots and the elite, they continue to impose knee jerk reactions and to split the sport in twain. 'Scuse the rant.

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Chris 249 said..

boardsurfr said..

PhilUK said..
The did have QF, SF & Final at Brest.

I had not watched the races, just looked at the results, where they did not bother to show the results of the quarter finals and semi finals separately.

So they raced exactly like the rules require, and Thomas Goyard complained about it afterwards. That means his complaints really make no sense. The overall winner, Sebastian Koerdel, got a bullet in 9 of the 14 races before the final 3 races. Nobody else came even close, and he was guaranteed a third place when entering the finals. The Dutch guys on 2nd and 3rd place also had exactly the same position after the first 14 races. The guy in 4th place gained one spot in the quarterfinal, and the guy in 7th place lost 3 spots. But they all were close enough that these changes could have happened in another regular race, too.

So Thomas Goyard is just whining, similar to Mateo Iacchino a few years ago at the Silvaplana races. That's simply poor sportsmanship.

But as you said, no one came close to Koerdel. So in that case, why should be in a position where he could have finished as low as third? If you dominate, you should be in a dominant position in the last race, or not even have to do it just like Michael Schumacher, Vettel, Proust and other greats of F1 racing have not had to do the last few races. In Formula One, the winner of the year's title is regularly decided before the last race (or last few races) and the winner has not always even been ALIVE when they won it; Jochen Rindt was killed practising before race 10 of 13 but still won! And yet F1 still gets enormous ratings.

In the Tour de France the last day is just ceremonial for the overall contenders, most of the time, and it's still one of the most watched events of the year. So the whole medal race idea is just bulls**t since major sporting events clearly don't need a winner-take-all final.

Sailing's popularity has shrunk since World Sailing started BS like the medal race; it's a classic example of a stupid idea, based on an illogical concept, driven by a panicked rush to try to "modernise" rather than trying to play to sailing's strengths. Although the IOC no longer publishes ratings figures, back when they did it was noticeable that WS's attempts to make sailing more TV-friendly were not working. Instead of accepting that, and worrying about the sport's integrity and the link between grass roots and the elite, they continue to impose knee jerk reactions and to split the sport in twain. 'Scuse the rant.

Is the medal race a winner take all like the IQ foil, or just the double point final race mentioned above?

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boardsurfr said..

PhilUK said..
The did have QF, SF & Final at Brest.

I had not watched the races, just looked at the results, where they did not bother to show the results of the quarter finals and semi finals separately.

So they raced exactly like the rules require, and Thomas Goyard complained about it afterwards. That means his complaints really make no sense. The overall winner, Sebastian Koerdel, got a bullet in 9 of the 14 races before the final 3 races. Nobody else came even close, and he was guaranteed a third place when entering the finals. The Dutch guys on 2nd and 3rd place also had exactly the same position after the first 14 races. The guy in 4th place gained one spot in the quarterfinal, and the guy in 7th place lost 3 spots. But they all were close enough that these changes could have happened in another regular race, too.

So Thomas Goyard is just whining, similar to Mateo Iacchino a few years ago at the Silvaplana races. That's simply poor sportsmanship.

Oh my ... discussions about race rules ... I actually wonder why the dismal coverage of the whole event. It is at least the second event, with Silt PWA, that has basically zero coverage. Does anybody care besides the racers? It turns out that an Italian won the Women race, and Italian windsurf sites like www.4actionsport.it/ do not even show the news. www.riwmag.com/iqfoil-world-championships-brest-2022-marta/ does in an incomprehensible article reporting about the race format.