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BullroarerTook said..

thedoor said..

Faff said..

BullroarerTook said..
At thedoor is going to love that.

Shape looks unchanged.

Yeah. wondering if the rail chines in the front are different on the V2?

Maybe that will explain the differences. or maybe it's just a lick of paint.

bottom handle and longer track are definite improvements.

I don't think there was any need to alter the shape. Although, a bit more volume in the small one might allow me to drink more beer.

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thedoor said..

BullroarerTook said..

thedoor said..

Faff said..

BullroarerTook said..
At thedoor is going to love that.

Shape looks unchanged.

Yeah. wondering if the rail chines in the front are different on the V2?

Maybe that will explain the differences. or maybe it's just a lick of paint.

bottom handle and longer track are definite improvements.

I don't think there was any need to alter the shape. Although, a bit more volume in the small one might allow me to drink more beer.

But is there really any need for a Freestyle? Don't Wizard V3 90 and 114 have pretty much the same overall dimensions and footstrap options with the bonus of more tail volume?

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Faff said..

thedoor said..

BullroarerTook said..

thedoor said..

Faff said..

BullroarerTook said..
At thedoor is going to love that.

Shape looks unchanged.

Yeah. wondering if the rail chines in the front are different on the V2?

Maybe that will explain the differences. or maybe it's just a lick of paint.

bottom handle and longer track are definite improvements.

I don't think there was any need to alter the shape. Although, a bit more volume in the small one might allow me to drink more beer.

But is there really any need for a Freestyle? Don't Wizard V3 90 and 114 have pretty much the same overall dimensions and footstrap options with the bonus of more tail volume?

The freestyle is slight more compact than the wizard V3, unless you go to the winging strap inserts

www.instagram.com/p/CHyUrEeD4zk/

Also sunsetsailboards pointed out that the egg tail might be better at keeping the board out of the water on 360s.

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thedoor said..

Faff said..

thedoor said..

BullroarerTook said..

thedoor said..

Faff said..

BullroarerTook said..
At thedoor is going to love that.

Shape looks unchanged.

Yeah. wondering if the rail chines in the front are different on the V2?

Maybe that will explain the differences. or maybe it's just a lick of paint.

bottom handle and longer track are definite improvements.

I don't think there was any need to alter the shape. Although, a bit more volume in the small one might allow me to drink more beer.

But is there really any need for a Freestyle? Don't Wizard V3 90 and 114 have pretty much the same overall dimensions and footstrap options with the bonus of more tail volume?

The freestyle is slight more compact than the wizard V3, unless you go to the winging strap inserts

www.instagram.com/p/CHyUrEeD4zk/

Also sunsetsailboards pointed out that the egg tail might be better at keeping the board out of the water on 360s.

Great photo (I'll take all 3!). But is there anything wrong with using the winging strap options? The egg shape does look better IMO. I wonder if there's any difference between getting the Freestyle 87 and the Wizard 90 on the foil.

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Faff said..

thedoor said..

Faff said..

thedoor said..

BullroarerTook said..

thedoor said..

Faff said..

BullroarerTook said..
At thedoor is going to love that.

Shape looks unchanged.

Yeah. wondering if the rail chines in the front are different on the V2?

Maybe that will explain the differences. or maybe it's just a lick of paint.

bottom handle and longer track are definite improvements.

I don't think there was any need to alter the shape. Although, a bit more volume in the small one might allow me to drink more beer.

But is there really any need for a Freestyle? Don't Wizard V3 90 and 114 have pretty much the same overall dimensions and footstrap options with the bonus of more tail volume?

The freestyle is slight more compact than the wizard V3, unless you go to the winging strap inserts

www.instagram.com/p/CHyUrEeD4zk/

Also sunsetsailboards pointed out that the egg tail might be better at keeping the board out of the water on 360s.

Great photo (I'll take all 3!). But is there anything wrong with using the winging strap options? The egg shape does look better IMO. I wonder if there's any difference between getting the Freestyle 87 and the Wizard 90 on the foil.

I don't think there is anything wrong with using the winging straps. for me the 87 is under water so it needs to be blowing pretty good. But I think the freestyle 87 is 20cm longer than the wizard 90, not sure which would be easier to slog

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thedoor said..

Faff said..

thedoor said..

Faff said..

thedoor said..

BullroarerTook said..

thedoor said..

Faff said..

BullroarerTook said..
At thedoor is going to love that.

Shape looks unchanged.

Yeah. wondering if the rail chines in the front are different on the V2?

Maybe that will explain the differences. or maybe it's just a lick of paint.

bottom handle and longer track are definite improvements.

I don't think there was any need to alter the shape. Although, a bit more volume in the small one might allow me to drink more beer.

But is there really any need for a Freestyle? Don't Wizard V3 90 and 114 have pretty much the same overall dimensions and footstrap options with the bonus of more tail volume?

The freestyle is slight more compact than the wizard V3, unless you go to the winging strap inserts

www.instagram.com/p/CHyUrEeD4zk/

Also sunsetsailboards pointed out that the egg tail might be better at keeping the board out of the water on 360s.

Great photo (I'll take all 3!). But is there anything wrong with using the winging strap options? The egg shape does look better IMO. I wonder if there's any difference between getting the Freestyle 87 and the Wizard 90 on the foil.

I don't think there is anything wrong with using the winging straps. for me the 87 is under water so it needs to be blowing pretty good. But I think the freestyle 87 is 20cm longer than the wizard 90, not sure which would be easier to slog

I'm on a Wizard 103 right now and thinking of changing to either the Wizard 90 or Freestyle 87 because I want tracks. Ultrashort boards feel great... once up. I do wonder if the extra 20 cm may make it easier to get the extra board glide to make the high aspect foils take off.

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Faff said..

thedoor said..

Faff said..

thedoor said..

Faff said..

thedoor said..

BullroarerTook said..

thedoor said..

Faff said..

BullroarerTook said..
At thedoor is going to love that.

Shape looks unchanged.

Yeah. wondering if the rail chines in the front are different on the V2?

Maybe that will explain the differences. or maybe it's just a lick of paint.

bottom handle and longer track are definite improvements.

I don't think there was any need to alter the shape. Although, a bit more volume in the small one might allow me to drink more beer.

But is there really any need for a Freestyle? Don't Wizard V3 90 and 114 have pretty much the same overall dimensions and footstrap options with the bonus of more tail volume?

The freestyle is slight more compact than the wizard V3, unless you go to the winging strap inserts

www.instagram.com/p/CHyUrEeD4zk/

Also sunsetsailboards pointed out that the egg tail might be better at keeping the board out of the water on 360s.

Great photo (I'll take all 3!). But is there anything wrong with using the winging strap options? The egg shape does look better IMO. I wonder if there's any difference between getting the Freestyle 87 and the Wizard 90 on the foil.

I don't think there is anything wrong with using the winging straps. for me the 87 is under water so it needs to be blowing pretty good. But I think the freestyle 87 is 20cm longer than the wizard 90, not sure which would be easier to slog

I'm on a Wizard 103 right now and thinking of changing to either the Wizard 90 or Freestyle 87 because I want tracks. Ultrashort boards feel great... once up. I do wonder if the extra 20 cm may make it easier to get the extra board glide to make the high aspect foils take off.

I never tried the 103 but heard it's experts only, so I am sure you could make the wizard 90 or the 87 work. My guess is the width of the wizard would be more important to getting on the foil earlier than the length of the freestyle 87. How much you weigh?

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thedoor said..

Faff said..

thedoor said..

Faff said..

thedoor said..

Faff said..

thedoor said..

BullroarerTook said..

thedoor said..

Faff said..

BullroarerTook said..
At thedoor is going to love that.

Shape looks unchanged.

Yeah. wondering if the rail chines in the front are different on the V2?

Maybe that will explain the differences. or maybe it's just a lick of paint.

bottom handle and longer track are definite improvements.

I don't think there was any need to alter the shape. Although, a bit more volume in the small one might allow me to drink more beer.

But is there really any need for a Freestyle? Don't Wizard V3 90 and 114 have pretty much the same overall dimensions and footstrap options with the bonus of more tail volume?

The freestyle is slight more compact than the wizard V3, unless you go to the winging strap inserts

www.instagram.com/p/CHyUrEeD4zk/

Also sunsetsailboards pointed out that the egg tail might be better at keeping the board out of the water on 360s.

Great photo (I'll take all 3!). But is there anything wrong with using the winging strap options? The egg shape does look better IMO. I wonder if there's any difference between getting the Freestyle 87 and the Wizard 90 on the foil.

I don't think there is anything wrong with using the winging straps. for me the 87 is under water so it needs to be blowing pretty good. But I think the freestyle 87 is 20cm longer than the wizard 90, not sure which would be easier to slog

I'm on a Wizard 103 right now and thinking of changing to either the Wizard 90 or Freestyle 87 because I want tracks. Ultrashort boards feel great... once up. I do wonder if the extra 20 cm may make it easier to get the extra board glide to make the high aspect foils take off.

I never tried the 103 but heard it's experts only, so I am sure you could make the wizard 90 or the 87 work. My guess is the width of the wizard would be more important to getting on the foil earlier than the length of the freestyle 87. How much you weigh?

70 kg and far from an expert. I cursed this thing to high heaven when I first sailed it (mentally penning a Seabreeze ad), but once I realised I had to keep my weight back and ease off the mastfoot pressure, it feels fine to waterstart, uphaul, slog. Once up, the deck feels huge and almost too wide for the sails I use - 4.8 in 15 knots, 4.0 in 17 knots (2 knots range on the 4.8, hilarious I know). I don't know if it's the board or me, but I just can't get it going earlier. Because there is no nose volume, I can't really pump the board from standstill despite all that huge tail volume - the nose sinks too much and the whole thing becomes really tipsy. So the only way to get it going is get some glide first with small sail pumps. But it doesn't glide all that well and is easily knocked about by chop. FWIW, even with the mastfoot at the start of the track it feels far from the front footstrap (compared with my freestyle board). I wonder if I'd have better success with a smaller distance between the front strap and mastfoot (I have the old Moses 683 and had to move the straps all the way back to get decent front foot pressure).

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NicoDC said...
Next you should be jumping, it feels so good to get 2m up in the air in 12-15 knots!

However hard I have tried, I never found the trigger. I can easily jump on chop with a wave board, but I never got more than ridiculous stalling breach with a foil. The only way I get some air time is when I get blown backwinded during a downwind 360 failed attempt (so 50% of the time as the other 50% I fall into my sail) but that doesn't count as it is not intentional.

Hahaha good one!

In terms of trimming your gear, make sure you have a bit more front foot pressure by moving the foil or straps.

you need to have decent speed, that's I think the most important factor.
if conditions allow for it, i like to head downwind slightly and sheet out the sail so I can manage the speed nicely by sheeting in and out or even giving it a few pumps.
get your board close to the water (even slightly touching is okay as long as you don't lose to much speed), be courageous and shift all your weight to the back and give it a nice kick. You'll shoot up and than it's a matter of remaining confidence.
if you're stuck at breaching level, it probably means you shift your weight forward again to soon. My first"jumps" were like that". You have to commit and if you lose control, just let go of the gear.

The landing is pretty easy. The foil dampens the landing. I think it's best not to land flat on the water with the wings, so I just keep my back leg stretched a bit. To get more clearance from the water, it's kicking off, pulling up in the air and stretching for landing.

all together, it's mostly about keeping your head cool and committing to the trick so you can shoot up.
it's a lot of fun.
practice your better side first, you'll learn quickly

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Faff said..

thedoor said..

Faff said..

thedoor said..

Faff said..

thedoor said..

Faff said..

thedoor said..

BullroarerTook said..

thedoor said..

Faff said..

BullroarerTook said..
At thedoor is going to love that.

Shape looks unchanged.

Yeah. wondering if the rail chines in the front are different on the V2?

Maybe that will explain the differences. or maybe it's just a lick of paint.

bottom handle and longer track are definite improvements.

I don't think there was any need to alter the shape. Although, a bit more volume in the small one might allow me to drink more beer.

But is there really any need for a Freestyle? Don't Wizard V3 90 and 114 have pretty much the same overall dimensions and footstrap options with the bonus of more tail volume?

The freestyle is slight more compact than the wizard V3, unless you go to the winging strap inserts

www.instagram.com/p/CHyUrEeD4zk/

Also sunsetsailboards pointed out that the egg tail might be better at keeping the board out of the water on 360s.

Great photo (I'll take all 3!). But is there anything wrong with using the winging strap options? The egg shape does look better IMO. I wonder if there's any difference between getting the Freestyle 87 and the Wizard 90 on the foil.

I don't think there is anything wrong with using the winging straps. for me the 87 is under water so it needs to be blowing pretty good. But I think the freestyle 87 is 20cm longer than the wizard 90, not sure which would be easier to slog

I'm on a Wizard 103 right now and thinking of changing to either the Wizard 90 or Freestyle 87 because I want tracks. Ultrashort boards feel great... once up. I do wonder if the extra 20 cm may make it easier to get the extra board glide to make the high aspect foils take off.

I never tried the 103 but heard it's experts only, so I am sure you could make the wizard 90 or the 87 work. My guess is the width of the wizard would be more important to getting on the foil earlier than the length of the freestyle 87. How much you weigh?

70 kg and far from an expert. I cursed this thing to high heaven when I first sailed it (mentally penning a Seabreeze ad), but once I realised I had to keep my weight back and ease off the mastfoot pressure, it feels fine to waterstart, uphaul, slog. Once up, the deck feels huge and almost too wide for the sails I use - 4.8 in 15 knots, 4.0 in 17 knots (2 knots range on the 4.8, hilarious I know). I don't know if it's the board or me, but I just can't get it going earlier. Because there is no nose volume, I can't really pump the board from standstill despite all that huge tail volume - the nose sinks too much and the whole thing becomes really tipsy. So the only way to get it going is get some glide first with small sail pumps. But it doesn't glide all that well and is easily knocked about by chop. FWIW, even with the mastfoot at the start of the track it feels far from the front footstrap (compared with my freestyle board). I wonder if I'd have better success with a smaller distance between the front strap and mastfoot (I have the old Moses 683 and had to move the straps all the way back to get decent front foot pressure).

I am 76kg and the Freestyle 87 is my second board. I cannot uphaul it



Things got a little better when I switched to full carbon foil



I do really love it the most when conditions are right. If the wind is sketchy or if there is a long slog to the wind line then I am meant to go with the 115.



The tuttle and track option of the V1 freestyle is great for those invested in the ghostwhisper

At 70 kg you seems like you could get away with the 87 or 90 as your daily driver, especially if you are making most of your gybes

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thedoor said..
Things got a little better when I switched to full carbon foil

Hu?
A full carbon Slingshot foil ? Is the fuse also carbon ?

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thedoor said..
At 70 kg you seems like you could get away with the 87 or 90 as your daily driver, especially if you are making most of your gybes

May be I could being just under 70kg. My 100l is confortable for me now. I am not sure what gain I could expect going below. I admire your lightwind waterstart skills. Never succeeded at this one.

Definitly the sweet spot for freeFoiling is 15-20kt, so depending where you're riding you're likely to hit some sub 15kt. So for windfoil freestyle, you need something you can start even with wind below 15kt. IMHO, that's the lower limit for the size.

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6u1d0 said..

thedoor said..
Things got a little better when I switched to full carbon foil

Hu?
A full carbon Slingshot foil ? Is the fuse also carbon ?

thedoor said..
At 70 kg you seems like you could get away with the 87 or 90 as your daily driver, especially if you are making most of your gybes

May be I could being just under 70kg. My 100l is confortable for me now. I am not sure what gain I could expect going below. I admire your lightwind waterstart skills. Never succeeded at this one.

Definitly the sweet spot for freeFoiling is 15-20kt, so depending where you're riding you're likely to hit some sub 15kt. So for windfoil freestyle, you need something you can start even with wind below 15kt. IMHO, that's the lower limit for the size.

Hi 6

The 70kg I was referring to in that post was Faff.

Sorry not full Carbon the fuse is aluminium. Although the fuse is quite a bit lighter than the hoverglide aluminum fuse.

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thedoor said..

Faff said..

thedoor said..

Faff said..

thedoor said..

Faff said..

thedoor said..

Faff said..

thedoor said..

BullroarerTook said..

thedoor said..

Faff said..

BullroarerTook said..
At thedoor is going to love that.

Shape looks unchanged.

Yeah. wondering if the rail chines in the front are different on the V2?

Maybe that will explain the differences. or maybe it's just a lick of paint.

bottom handle and longer track are definite improvements.

I don't think there was any need to alter the shape. Although, a bit more volume in the small one might allow me to drink more beer.

But is there really any need for a Freestyle? Don't Wizard V3 90 and 114 have pretty much the same overall dimensions and footstrap options with the bonus of more tail volume?

The freestyle is slight more compact than the wizard V3, unless you go to the winging strap inserts

www.instagram.com/p/CHyUrEeD4zk/

Also sunsetsailboards pointed out that the egg tail might be better at keeping the board out of the water on 360s.

Great photo (I'll take all 3!). But is there anything wrong with using the winging strap options? The egg shape does look better IMO. I wonder if there's any difference between getting the Freestyle 87 and the Wizard 90 on the foil.

I don't think there is anything wrong with using the winging straps. for me the 87 is under water so it needs to be blowing pretty good. But I think the freestyle 87 is 20cm longer than the wizard 90, not sure which would be easier to slog

I'm on a Wizard 103 right now and thinking of changing to either the Wizard 90 or Freestyle 87 because I want tracks. Ultrashort boards feel great... once up. I do wonder if the extra 20 cm may make it easier to get the extra board glide to make the high aspect foils take off.

I never tried the 103 but heard it's experts only, so I am sure you could make the wizard 90 or the 87 work. My guess is the width of the wizard would be more important to getting on the foil earlier than the length of the freestyle 87. How much you weigh?

70 kg and far from an expert. I cursed this thing to high heaven when I first sailed it (mentally penning a Seabreeze ad), but once I realised I had to keep my weight back and ease off the mastfoot pressure, it feels fine to waterstart, uphaul, slog. Once up, the deck feels huge and almost too wide for the sails I use - 4.8 in 15 knots, 4.0 in 17 knots (2 knots range on the 4.8, hilarious I know). I don't know if it's the board or me, but I just can't get it going earlier. Because there is no nose volume, I can't really pump the board from standstill despite all that huge tail volume - the nose sinks too much and the whole thing becomes really tipsy. So the only way to get it going is get some glide first with small sail pumps. But it doesn't glide all that well and is easily knocked about by chop. FWIW, even with the mastfoot at the start of the track it feels far from the front footstrap (compared with my freestyle board). I wonder if I'd have better success with a smaller distance between the front strap and mastfoot (I have the old Moses 683 and had to move the straps all the way back to get decent front foot pressure).

I am 76kg and the Freestyle 87 is my second board. I cannot uphaul it

Things got a little better when I switched to full carbon foil

I do really love it the most when conditions are right. If the wind is sketchy or if there is a long slog to the wind line then I am meant to go with the 115.

The tuttle and track option of the V1 freestyle is great for those invested in the ghostwhisper

At 70 kg you seems like you could get away with the 87 or 90 as your daily driver, especially if you are making most of your gybes

Wow, the 87 is a real sinker. The 103 definitely isn't a sinker for me. It's a fat, wide foil board... with its nose cut off.

Man, you guys are good. I'm 64kg and I wouldn't want to slog anything with less volume than my SS 114. Sometimes I gotta slog 10 minutes for 3 minutes of foil time. Nose is pretty sinky uphauling a 5.2 sail. At my skill level, even tacking can be tricky in swell/ boat chop.if the winds are crankin, I water start as much as possible. But even then I have to uphaul my 4.5,3.7 half the time unless I want to float for a while.

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WsurfAustin said..
Man, you guys are good. I'm 64kg and I wouldn't want to slog anything with less volume than my SS 114. Sometimes I gotta slog 10 minutes for 3 minutes of foil time. Nose is pretty sinky uphauling a 5.2 sail. At my skill level, even tacking can be tricky in swell/ boat chop.if the winds are crankin, I water start as much as possible. But even then I have to uphaul my 4.5,3.7 half the time unless I want to float for a while.

Good or stupid . Once you are in the air there isn't much difference than 87L versus 115L, but I do notice it. Also I like having less foam when the water is real rough