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shmish > 9 months ago, 19 Jun 2020

duzzi

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26 Jun 2020 11:59pm

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Hello All,
I'm trying to decide on which first foil to get. I've read a lot here and have gotten messages from a few people on this forum, but I feel a paralyzed on the choice. I'm afraid of making the wrong choice, and the cost is not cheap. What I would hope to get is:
easier to learn on
good light wind range
probably use it more for back and forth reaching 10-24knots - Grantmac and Windbot know where I sail and I don't think there is a lot of swell (grantmac and windbot: rare day at Jericho?)

I'm about 65 kg and for now I'll be using a 115L 66cm wide freeride board with a foil ready deep tuttle fin box.

I think the top choices at this time would be the fwind i76 or i84 from Slingshot or Neil Pryde medium front wing. I think the i76 would be the best overall wing for me from what I've read, but it seems like many people prefer the i84 or i99 for low wind (and often they are heavier but it's not clear to me how much that matters). The NP medium wing is also maybe not the best for light wind. I'm guessing on this, and I don't even know if I ultimately will want to go out when the wind is hovering around 10 knots. The NP would likely cost about $300 less than a slingshot or other brand, which isn't insignificant. It could also be that I'm asking too much from only one wing/foil - and then something like the i76 or NP medium might sit right in between two wings that I "should" get.
Any last advice?
thanks

Get a Moses freeride 790. It has a perfect sized 850 mast and the wing easily covers a wind range of 6 to 20 plus knots. Maybe more expensive but much better build, and you will not need to purchase multiple wings.

That would be sweet but would cost me about $3000 Canadian. I wonder why they stopped making the aluminum program. I also think a deep tuttle would be significantly better than medium tuttle, which is what came with the aluminum masts (at least from what I saw on a retailer's webpage).

At the end of the story it might save you money, but the aluminum is available, and it costs less than a Slingshot www.sailworks.com/the-gear/foiling/windfoils/moses-vento-alloy-windfoil.html Should really be a no brainer given the jump in quality and the fact that all the parts are interchangeable btw aluminum and carbon.

shmish

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27 Jun 2020 12:37am

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Oh, I think that's new. Two weeks ago the Sailworks site had the aluminum foils as out of stock. Thanks.

Paducah

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27 Jun 2020 1:37am

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Oh, I think that's new. Two weeks ago the Sailworks site had the aluminum foils as out of stock. Thanks.

afaik, the aluminum and carbon masts require different fuses but the fuses are pretty cheap. If it's in the budget, go for the carbon from the start and fully understand if you can't.

shmish

146 posts

27 Jun 2020 2:58am

Is there any reason to be concerned that it uses a "shallow tuttle", which could also be a medium tuttle, rather than the deep tuttle?

Grantmac

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27 Jun 2020 3:08am

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Is there any reason to be concerned that it uses a "shallow tuttle", which could also be a medium tuttle, rather than the deep tuttle?

Not at your weight/use. Just need some longer bolts.

shmish

146 posts

27 Jun 2020 9:14am

I bought a Vento 85 with 783 wing from Sailworks today, it should arrive next week. $1750 cdn shipped + whatever duties I'll get. The preferred 450 stabilizer is backordered 2.5 months so I got the 483. Dale said it might feel a bit less sticky in larger swell, which shouldn't be a problem for me. I'm surprised Silent Sports said they were getting more in, when I asked a few weeks ago they were doubtful. I contacted Moses and they confirmed they are no longer making them but still have a few in stock.

Is there a recommended grease to use with the screws for salt water? If I grease regularly, does it matter what kind I use? I ask because I have a tub of grease that I use on bicycles.

Grantmac

2339 posts

27 Jun 2020 9:18am

TefGel is best. Lanolin works too.
Trailer wheel bearing grease is okay, first two are best.

shmish

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27 Jun 2020 11:00am

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TefGel is best. Lanolin works too.
Trailer wheel bearing grease is okay, first two are best.

Lanolin, like if I get 100% lanolin oil from a vitamin shop? www.vitamart.ca/now-100-pure-lanolin-liquid.html
That seems like the best deal.

Paducah

2792 posts

27 Jun 2020 11:20pm

The advantage of tef-gel is that it's a bit sticky so it tends to stay in place better than alternatives. You can find it on ebay for not much more. Be careful shopping because it comes in different sizes which are all for some reason about the same price. Get the syringe type as it makes it easy to apply to the screws/bolts (and handy to store in your tool box). A small tube will last you for quite some time.

If you get some on your fingers then get fingerprints on your foil wing, clean it - this goes for any of the things you are considering, btw. It seems to induce ventilation more than one would assume. It's not, however, harmful to the wing itself.

www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=tef+gel&_sacat=0&_sop=15

If you use grease, you can get a tube of marine grease at an auto shop where you can get your grease for your bikes (if you aren't already), just avoid the heavy high temp wheel bearing grease. For those new to the topic, a little googling will find you a wealth of info on various bike forums.

www.autozone.com/greases-and-gear-oil/marine-grease

Grantmac

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27 Jun 2020 11:44pm

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shmish said..

Grantmac said..
TefGel is best. Lanolin works too.
Trailer wheel bearing grease is okay, first two are best.

Lanolin, like if I get 100% lanolin oil from a vitamin shop? www.vitamart.ca/now-100-pure-lanolin-liquid.html
That seems like the best deal.

The stuff I'm talking about is VERY thick, so I don't think it's the same as that.
Easier just to get Tefgel. Marine stores usually have it.
Just don't drop your bolts in the sand!!

Honestly these days I'm just fitting things "dry" to avoid sand then washing much more thoroughly every use.

shmish

146 posts

28 Jun 2020 7:24am

I guess since both the mast and fuselage are aluminum, I should lube the bolts and the interfaces between the fuselage and wings, yes?

Paducah

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28 Jun 2020 12:04pm

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I guess since both the mast and fuselage are aluminum, I should lube the bolts and the interfaces between the fuselage and wings, yes?

Are we talking Moses or SS?

All bolts? Yes.
Interface between wing and fuse? Moses - no. The clear coat and resin act as insulators between the carbon and aluminum.
SS - yes. I've seen corrosion before in the fuse socket where the wing slips on. Others may have different experiences but I'd lube it like a bike seat post. Just keep/clean off any lube/gel off the wing surfaces where there's water flow.

segler

1658 posts

28 Jun 2020 11:07pm

Everything that moves should be lubed. For foiling that means the assembly bolts and the threaded inserts. Tefgel is great stuff.

Grantmac

2339 posts

29 Jun 2020 1:11am

Fasteners only should be fine if you regularly disassemble.

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