More and more boards show up with plate only boxes, e. g. new Slingshot and Wing/Wind Comboboards.
Using windfoils with DT-heads on them isn't possible without using a DT to Plate adapter.
There are several adapters on offer, e. g. GoFoil, Foilmount, Moses in aluminum, or the Groove adapter in Carbon.
Does anybody have some experiences regarding adapters from DT to Plate mount for windfoiling, esp. how they hold up the higher forces of windfoiling compared to wing, kite or sup foiling?

Alex

my friend printed the adapter on a 3D printer. But the plastic is very soft. Where the deep tuttle head connects to the adapter bolts dented plastic. Here you need to make an insert of metal.

I've used adapters in the past for SUP foiling and wing foiling. They are all very robust and you're more likely to bend/break the foil mast before you have a problem with the adapter.

I've ordered a carbon Groove Adapter so that I can try my Lokefoil LK1 with my wing board. Also considering adding a mast track to my wing foil board so that I can try windfoiling with a narrow board and centre rear strap.

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I've used adapters in the past for SUP foiling and wing foiling. They are all very robust and you're more likely to bend/break the foil mast before you have a problem with the adapter.

I've ordered a carbon Groove Adapter so that I can try my Lokefoil LK1 with my wing board. Also considering adding a mast track to my wing foil board so that I can try windfoiling with a narrow board and centre rear strap.

I'd also like the Groove Carbon adapter, i just wonder if it is strong enough since it's designed for kitefoiling.
The aluminum adapters only seem to be 100 - 200 gr. heavier than the Groove Carbon.

Which Wingfoil Board do you have?
I'm thinking about ordering a custom Wing/Wind board from Mojo, from which my current custom 4in1 WindSupFoil board is, because i can't find a serial board yet, that ticks all my boxes.
The finished concept for such a board sticks already in my brain, i just need the Mojo guys to build it, like it was with my 4in1, my concept - their build. Perfect.

Alex

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simonp123 said..
I've used adapters in the past for SUP foiling and wing foiling. They are all very robust and you're more likely to bend/break the foil mast before you have a problem with the adapter.

I've ordered a carbon Groove Adapter so that I can try my Lokefoil LK1 with my wing board. Also considering adding a mast track to my wing foil board so that I can try windfoiling with a narrow board and centre rear strap.

I'd also like the Groove Carbon adapter, i just wonder if it is strong enough since it's designed for kitefoiling.
The aluminum adapters only seem to be 100 - 200 gr. heavier than the Groove Carbon.

Which Wingfoil Board do you have?
I'm thinking about ordering a custom Wing/Wind board from Mojo, from which my current custom 4in1 WindSupFoil board is, because i can't find a serial board yet, that ticks all my boxes.
The finished concept for such a board sticks already in my brain, i just need the Mojo guys to build it, like it was with my 4in1, my concept - their build. Perfect.

Alex

The reason I'm getting the Groove adapter is that it has slots for the bolts going into the foil. With a normal deep tuttle or chinook deep tuttle these bolts will have to go in at a slight angle. With the Groove there looks to be enough space to allow that and also to add washers.

I'm not concerned about its strength as the forces are still quite high with kiting and they must have to accommodate jumps and running into stuff.

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AlexF said..

Which Wingfoil Board do you have?
I'm thinking about ordering a custom Wing/Wind board from Mojo, from which my current custom 4in1 WindSupFoil board is, because i can't find a serial board yet, that ticks all my boxes.
The finished concept for such a board sticks already in my brain, i just need the Mojo guys to build it, like it was with my 4in1, my concept - their build. Perfect.

Alex

I've got the Fanatic Sky Wing 5' 4" . I wouldn't want anything bigger for winging.

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I've got the Fanatic Sky Wing 5' 4" . I wouldn't want anything bigger for winging.

Quite short for windfoiling, I'm thinking of going 6'3 for my combo board.

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AlexF said..
More and more boards show up with plate only boxes, e. g. new Slingshot and Wing/Wind Comboboards.
Using windfoils with DT-heads on them isn't possible without using a DT to Plate adapter.
There are several adapters on offer, e. g. GoFoil, Foilmount, Moses in aluminum, or the Groove adapter in Carbon.
Does anybody have some experiences regarding adapters from DT to Plate mount for windfoiling, esp. how they hold up the higher forces of windfoiling compared to wing, kite or sup foiling?

Alex

I don't have experience with DT to adaptor but I was quite dissatisfied with the Tuttle to aluminium plate adaptor on my Gofoil. It is a non-gofoil brand adaptor and there was a lot of play. I was forever shimming it but it would still get loose. In the end I permanently bonded it with marine epoxy. This has worked a treat and has shown no signs of fatigue after several months regular use. Obviously if you still want to use as a Tuttle or DT this isn't an option but for me I will never use the Tuttle connection.

Here's the Groove carbon adapter. I had to lengthen the slots for the bolts by about 10mm so that I could get the right angle for my Lokefoil. It's a really nice snug fit on the tuttle head requiring a bit of wiggling to install.

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Here's the Groove carbon adapter. I had to lengthen the slots for the bolts by about 10mm so that I could get the right angle for my Lokefoil. It's a really nice snug fit on the tuttle head requiring a bit of wiggling to install.

Hi, what's the verdict thus far?
Can you explain the 'lengthening of the slots'. How did you do that? Is it a risky operation?

Tks! I am looking at the same adapter for my AFS 95 foil. I did ask Bruno at AFS who said that he used a Takuma (alu) plate adapter.
I wonder how much diff there is between carbon and alu for an adapter unit. The price diff between carbon and alu here is 20 euro.

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MProject04 said..

simonp123 said..
Here's the Groove carbon adapter. I had to lengthen the slots for the bolts by about 10mm so that I could get the right angle for my Lokefoil. It's a really nice snug fit on the tuttle head requiring a bit of wiggling to install.

Hi, what's the verdict thus far?
Can you explain the 'lengthening of the slots'. How did you do that? Is it a risky operation?

Tks! I am looking at the same adapter for my AFS 95 foil. I did ask Bruno at AFS who said that he used a Takuma (alu) plate adapter.
I wonder how much diff there is between carbon and alu for an adapter unit. The price diff between carbon and alu here is 20 euro.

Under normal conditions Aluminum fatigues over time, carbon does not. And then there is electroylisis between aluminum and SS screws especially in salt water. Seperating the two with nylon washers will help prevent that.

The Groove adapter adds 10cm to the mast length what i dont want. We have very shallow shore area here. Even with 85cm i have to walk 30-40m out in the dry months before i can turn the foil into the water. And climate change makes the situation even more worse.

I have the GoFoil adapter. It fits very tightly onto the DT tops of my Moses and AFS foils (no flanges). No play or wiggle at all.

My Fanatic Stingray has both DT and track fittings. I plan to use the adapter to have more fore and aft adjustability of the foil position.

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Hi, what's the verdict thus far?
Can you explain the 'lengthening of the slots'. How did you do that? Is it a risky operation?

Tks! I am looking at the same adapter for my AFS 95 foil. I did ask Bruno at AFS who said that he used a Takuma (alu) plate adapter.
I wonder how much diff there is between carbon and alu for an adapter unit. The price diff between carbon and alu here is 20 euro.

Unfortunately, I haven't used the adapter yet. The lengthening of the adapter slots was necessary because the bolts on the Lokefoil and other non-ultra deep tuttle foils are at an angle. Whereas on foils with the full ultra deep tuttle head , e.g. starboard, GoFoil the bolts are vertical.

It took about 10 mins with a drill to lengthen the slots. It didn't seem like a risky operation because the carbon fibre is fairly thick. I also had to open out the area for the washers to sit.

My GoFoil adapter (aluminum) has fairly long slots. The are tapered so that I can use pan head tapered screws to attach the DT.

It is a very clean assembly, but I am nervous about the tapers. You can't use washers.

The slots are sized to accept both 6mm and 1/4-20 screws. (As a Yank, I use only 1/4-20 and spell aluminum without the second i .)

Are there any carbon foils for windsurfing that are design to work with us tracks without using adapter?

The SS Phantasms will be.

But i don't know about Carbon Windfoils so far. Maybe Moses is on the way??

I use the Go Foil adaptor on my Moses set up. All the vertical forces resolve on top forward corner of the tuttle head and this was cracking the foil head. I put packing tape on the foil head and filled the cavity in the adaptor with thickened epoxy and put the two together. This made a perfect fit between the two and It has worked well. I sail in salt water and the electrolosis is present at the fasteners but it has seen two years of steady use and is still serviceable. The carbon parts are fine and I will replace the adaptor befroe to long, its not that exspensive.

Thanks. The reason for the question is that I have Naish foil and board. I was thinking about upgrading to 95cm 2020 year mast (standard Naish windsurfing foil has 75cm mast). That way I could keep using abracadabra (very convenient). But at the same time it might be better to invest in carbon foil. Naish have new mast this year but it is very expensive for aluminum.
I wonder if anyone used abracadabra with 95cm mast? (Would it survive the increased load from longer mast?)

Andrzej asked, "Are there any carbon foils for windsurfing that are design to work with us tracks without using adapter?"

The answer is yes. I was at Windance last week. They have a bunch of dual-track carbon foils with windfoiling geometry (not kitefoiling geometry, which is different). They even have big price tags on them with the word "windsurfing" next to the prices. The brand I saw was LP, but a couple other brands had this as well. The LP top was hard-molded one-piece to the mast (just like DT for DT tops). All-carbon.

If course, for aluminum you can always mount a Slingshot dual-track top onto any Slingshot mast.

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Hi, what's the verdict thus far?
Can you explain the 'lengthening of the slots'. How did you do that? Is it a risky operation?

Tks! I am looking at the same adapter for my AFS 95 foil. I did ask Bruno at AFS who said that he used a Takuma (alu) plate adapter.
I wonder how much diff there is between carbon and alu for an adapter unit. The price diff between carbon and alu here is 20 euro.

Unfortunately, I haven't used the adapter yet. The lengthening of the adapter slots was necessary because the bolts on the Lokefoil and other non-ultra deep tuttle foils are at an angle. Whereas on foils with the full ultra deep tuttle head , e.g. starboard, GoFoil the bolts are vertical.

It took about 10 mins with a drill to lengthen the slots. It didn't seem like a risky operation because the carbon fibre is fairly thick. I also had to open out the area for the washers to sit.

Hi. I just received my GoFoil adapter. www.gofoileurope.com/product/plate-adapter/
It is said to be carbon with titanium encasing. Turns out that the hole to connect mast to adapter is not aligned. I need to elongate the holes to create slots. Not by much. 5 - 8 mm on each hole.

How did you elongate the holes? What exact tools did you use? Some sort of filing tool?

Anyone have advice. How is carbon-titanium to work with?

Help is much appreciated. Wouldn't like to create invisible cracks (to loose my foil! )T

hanks.

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MProject04 said..

simonp123 said..

Hi, what's the verdict thus far?
Can you explain the 'lengthening of the slots'. How did you do that? Is it a risky operation?

Tks! I am looking at the same adapter for my AFS 95 foil. I did ask Bruno at AFS who said that he used a Takuma (alu) plate adapter.
I wonder how much diff there is between carbon and alu for an adapter unit. The price diff between carbon and alu here is 20 euro.

Unfortunately, I haven't used the adapter yet. The lengthening of the adapter slots was necessary because the bolts on the Lokefoil and other non-ultra deep tuttle foils are at an angle. Whereas on foils with the full ultra deep tuttle head , e.g. starboard, GoFoil the bolts are vertical.

It took about 10 mins with a drill to lengthen the slots. It didn't seem like a risky operation because the carbon fibre is fairly thick. I also had to open out the area for the washers to sit.

Hi. I just received my GoFoil adapter. www.gofoileurope.com/product/plate-adapter/
It is said to be carbon with titanium encasing. Turns out that the hole to connect mast to adapter is not aligned. I need to elongate the holes to create slots. Not by much. 5 - 8 mm on each hole.

How did you elongate the holes? What exact tools did you use? Some sort of filing tool?

Anyone have advice. How is carbon-titanium to work with?

Help is much appreciated. Wouldn't like to create invisible cracks (to loose my foil! )T

hanks.

I previously had the gofoil adapter but didn't fancy adjusting the screw positions as they were countersunk into the titanium and I didn't think there would be enough space to accommodate the screws at an angle.

The Groove adapter is completely carbon and was fairly easy to adapt just using the edge of a drill. Also, it has enough space for the screws and washers.

Thanks! I see now why you got the groove kite adapter. Just found this video. Not the same issue but same tools that would be needed for drilling and creating the conical hole

I used the Groove plate adapter for the first time today to go wing foiling with my Lokefoil LK1 using the LK1200 front wing. It worked really well and the connection felt rock solid. The extra mast length was a bonus too.

Previously I've only winged with the Slingshot 76 and 99 wings. The Lokefoil LK1 was so much better. Take off was similar to the 99 wing but it was a few knots faster than the 76 wing. Felt really light for jumps too.

Can anyone comment on using the Groove DT adapter for windfoiling? Is is strong enough for a 95cm carbon mast & 9.0 sail? Any downside on using the adapter? Thanks.

Size of foil and size of rider might have some influence......

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simonp123 said..
I used the Groove plate adapter for the first time today to go wing foiling with my Lokefoil LK1 using the LK1200 front wing. It worked really well and the connection felt rock solid. The extra mast length was a bonus too.

Previously I've only winged with the Slingshot 76 and 99 wings. The Lokefoil LK1 was so much better. Take off was similar to the 99 wing but it was a few knots faster than the 76 wing. Felt really light for jumps too.

Hello Simonp123, I riding at the moment with hg system and looking to upgrade to more high performance system as your Lokefoil. Only issue they don't have short fuselage for winging. Is that a problem base on our experience?

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ZeroVix said..
Can anyone comment on using the Groove DT adapter for windfoiling? Is is strong enough for a 95cm carbon mast & 9.0 sail? Any downside on using the adapter? Thanks.

I use it with a Moses M95 Mast, 70kg bodyweight, sails up to 5.3 no probs since 10 sessions. As written from simonp123, the adapter feels rocksolid.

Would it be fair to say that lightweights haven't had any issues? How about 105 kg on DT 95cm mast? Bad idea?

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ZeroVix said..
Can anyone comment on using the Groove DT adapter for windfoiling? Is is strong enough for a 95cm carbon mast & 9.0 sail? Any downside on using the adapter? Thanks.

The only downside I've found is a small amount of extra drag getting going and just before touch down. I think this is caused by the flange on the Lokefoil that it is no longer next to the hull. A foil with a conventional tuttle head and no flange would be more streamlined and won't have that issue.

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Samkyo said..

simonp123 said..
I used the Groove plate adapter for the first time today to go wing foiling with my Lokefoil LK1 using the LK1200 front wing. It worked really well and the connection felt rock solid. The extra mast length was a bonus too.

Previously I've only winged with the Slingshot 76 and 99 wings. The Lokefoil LK1 was so much better. Take off was similar to the 99 wing but it was a few knots faster than the 76 wing. Felt really light for jumps too.

Hello Simonp123, I riding at the moment with hg system and looking to upgrade to more high performance system as your Lokefoil. Only issue they don't have short fuselage for winging. Is that a problem base on our experience?

The long windfoil type fuselages work fine for winging. They make it ultra stable. You might not be able to carve tight turns on a wave or pump as well but for general blasting around with a wing it works well.

However, the distance of the wing in front of the foil mast may be an issue. I was able to use the Lokefoil at the back of the box on the Fanatic sky wing board (the fanatic surf foils look more like windfoils). But the Lokefoil was unusable on my Takoon wing board because I couldn't get the foil far enough back relative to the footstraps.