aeroegnr said..




Seconding the people say that it takes some experimentation. I have ridden other people's boards, who are much better foilers than me, making most of their jibes, and sometimes I found their foil to be backfooted compared to my setup. If I slide my foil backward, I find the nose dips too much in the jibes. I think some of this is poor technique on my part but also probably weight (me being heavier by 10-15kg).

For free ride, I really like the slot boxes for this reason. I played with a foilx 145 and the jack plate but a smaller board with a slot box is a lot easier to dial in.

If you use rear straps, it's nice to have the board foilable while out of the rear strap, which requires a pretty forward setting. If you go without you'll have a lot more room to move your foot to the rear and counteract a more aft foil.

snowsurf said..




Just to make sure that I understand you correctly - When you write slot box, you mean tuttle/foil box or US track? (Just asking, since you did not like the foilx 145 with tuttle/foil box)

...and I interpret you as you want to be able to adjust front foot pressure up, likely using a US track.

snowsurf said..
Great videos! Sorry for the long message. I want to share a bit more background before I continue dreaming of the conditions that you show on the videos.

I got into foiling two years ago to enjoy days with 7-14 knots wind. My plan was to enjoy windsurfing in stronger winds. The first season I tried using a Sabfoil 790 on my 80cm wide slalom board, but struggled with the balance of this setup - wrong board. I got a JP Hydrofoil 135 (86 cm wide) as my first real foil board a year ago, with two F4 race/slalom foils included for a nice price - might work with the Sabfoil 790, if not, for future fast cruising. The JP was not that fun with my 790, or even with a Sabfoil 950. After last season, I figured that I should have shimmed the 450 stab with the 950 (as most people seem to do). I am also uncertain whether the outboard foot strap placement will work with these mid/lower aspect foils. Maybe this will improve when things are more in balance (after shimming). I am also thinking about adding more inboard front foot straps on this JP. During this winter I got hold of a Sabfoil 1100 front wing (2100cm2) to push the wind limit lower. Not sure how this will work on the JP.

Anyway, I plan to use the JP for higher speed straight line cruising (small trips), and that I need something else for the more agile curvy rides - not planning any jumps.

So, if I want to experience more turns in 7 or 8-15 knots wind. does this change your recommendations for boards?
With my 73 kg without suit, I guess that I will need to use my 6.5m2 Cheetah, and that the 5.3m2 Wave/Elite will not be enough for the lightest breeze. I added some comments for each of the boards. All of them should be able to handle the 6.5 sail.
- Severne Alien 115 (200cm, 70cm, 7.3 kg) - easy to get going? Will this be agile enough, 10cm shorter than the popular 125L?
- Severne Predator 125 (195, 72cm, 7.5kg) - too optimistic with my skills? (expect slower progression) Length and weight is great.
- Tabou Magic Carpet 120 MTE (195cm, 78cm, 9.2kg) - will foil pumping work well enough with a sail to get going? Reviews were unclear. Tracks may start too far forward for windfoiling, so, foil box and shimming the stab might be the solution for adjustments.
- SB FoilX 145 2020 (190cm, 71cm, 8.3kg) - voluminous, very compact shape, but foil box far back. will likely need shimming (would rather try that than a track to tuttle board adapter which some of you use with this board)
- Fanatic Stingray LTD 110 2020 (215cm, 65cm, 8.0kg) - too old/long, ie. not agile enough? US tracks for windfoiling in addition to foil box.
- SS Wizard 130 (188cm, 78cm, 9.3kg) - not really small but "agile"? US tracks for windfoiling
- Wait for a SS Wizard 114 or Goya Airbolt 105 for sale second hand.
- Put board plans aside and add inboard foot straps on the 86cm wide JP - sounds boring.

Appreciate any additional input and advice - running in circles.

aeroegnr said..




Ahh sorry I mean the long slotted foil double track like below.

I liked the foilx, is was a definite upgrade, and may work better for some foils that balance more forward, like the starboard foils. But other aspects, like the jack plate and some construction things turned me off after ~2 years.

snowsurf said..








Did you try to shim the stab on the FoilX 145? (you are describing exactly what I am worried about with this board)

2keen said..




For the past 12 months I have been riding a custom board but I do have a Tabou Magic Carpet 120.
Only ridden it a couple of times but I think it will meet your requirements.
There is a Tuttle box and tracks. I used the tracks with the foil mounted all the way forward to loosen the board right up, I would suggest starting back.
I rode strapless which initially felt foreign ( my custom board has straps) but I got used to. As I rode strapless I can't comment on the foot strap options available.
Overall I was quite impressed by the board

aeroegnr said..








I never have played with a shim on phantasm foils. I think they have them now but they didn't when I started.

They do have v1-v3 freestyle 115s available on their website direct (that's how I got mine, shipped to my front door). I got mine as it fit the bill and was considerably less expensive than other options.

Also I don't know if this is optimum for light winds as I think that's what you're after, although I can use it with a 7.0 foil glide, and you can probably push lower than me with the weight difference.

2keen said..




For the past 12 months I have been riding a custom board but I do have a Tabou Magic Carpet 120.
Only ridden it a couple of times but I think it will meet your requirements.
There is a Tuttle box and tracks. I used the tracks with the foil mounted all the way forward to loosen the board right up, I would suggest starting back.
I rode strapless which initially felt foreign ( my custom board has straps) but I got used to. As I rode strapless I can't comment on the foot strap options available.
Overall I was quite impressed by the board

aeroegnr said..




That's a cool looking board, hadn't seen it in the flesh, and can't see the details from the videos you had up. Looks like a good board and it's got some tail width that'll help some in light wind performance. I'd definitely consider that one.

snowsurf said..




Yep, but not too wide tail. I was thinking that the bevel "overhang" might help in severe foil pumping as well - not sure whether it will only work for wing foiling (without a sail mast). Getting ready to buy. My JP Hydrofoil 135 is so wide that it feels "impossible" to sink its tail to pump the foil before the board rises out of the water.

WsurfAustin said..




Thanks, I just have my phone GPS, showing max of 26.9 knots. Looks like 90% were in 22 knot range. This was absolutely pushing my limits with a 700sq cm wing and 184 cm tail. Sabfoil claims 30 knots with an "average rider". Guess I'm below average . The gusts to 32 knots were pretty violent so, plenty of "bailouts" that day.

mr love said..
Just wondering how many "freeride windfoilers" are out there. By that I mean people chasing swell and pulling tricks as opposed to blasting on faster foils. I get the impression that there are not that many but maybe I am wrong. Nearly all the guys that were windfoiling at my local ( except for the iQ crew) have swapped to winging. Are we a dying breed?

Panno said..


Spoke recently to the local Slingshot distributor to see if there's any way to get a hold of the boards advertised in the USA, as mentioned before..no way, freight way to high.

He also mentioned SS would not continuing to support the Windfoil board market, acknowledged it was a shame given their history with the Wizard, Freestyle etc.

Point of the quote..there's not enough of us to support an diverse manufacturer base apparently .

mr love said..
Just wondering how many "freeride windfoilers" are out there. By that I mean people chasing swell and pulling tricks as opposed to blasting on faster foils. I get the impression that there are not that many but maybe I am wrong. Nearly all the guys that were windfoiling at my local ( except for the iQ crew) have swapped to winging. Are we a dying breed?

mr love said..
Just wondering how many "freeride windfoilers" are out there. By that I mean people chasing swell and pulling tricks as opposed to blasting on faster foils. I get the impression that there are not that many but maybe I am wrong. Nearly all the guys that were windfoiling at my local ( except for the iQ crew) have swapped to winging. Are we a dying breed?

Jlpm said..
I have moved the footstraps forward of my HP Hydrofoil 135, with Lokefoil LK1, 1300 and 890 FW. and shimming the stabs, I can manage the stuff. I?m looking for a small and short board for riding swell, as well.