Nice update, glad you experimented with foil positions, it doesn't take much sometimes to make a good session into an epic session and it may take little as 1cm forward or aft.

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Nice update, glad you experimented with foil positions, it doesn't take much sometimes to make a good session into an epic session and it may take little as 1cm forward or aft.

Yep, and my rear leg/lower back wasn't burning anymore after not being on the water for a month!

So my jack plate for my deep Tuttle Box in my Starboard FoilX 145 arrived a couple of weeks ago. I've installed it, and moved the mast location forward for my SS Hoverglide i99 about 2 cm. I was only able to go out once for a very short session. Between work and lousy wind I've not had any opportunities, but I'm optimistic about this afternoon.

Someone in another thread mentioned that new gear might improve your performance only about 10%; what matters most is time on the water. I think he's right: I'm just hankering for more TOW.

Thanks for sharing your experience.

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sl55 said..
This video helped me not to get stuck with the board straight downwind by adding a bit of sail steering to the carve.

That looks like a very helpful video.

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segler said..
Does the 926 wing fit onto the SABfoil 900 fuselage?

Phantasm wing on a stringfellow fuse made to fit sabfoil wings. There is a slight airgap when you look closely from a side view but not sure you would notice it on the water.

I presume you are connecting the Stringfellow fuse to the Sabfoil mast? What is the fuse you use, 880? Also how is the masst connection quality. Someone told me that original Sabfoil fuse mast hole tapers a bit which allows the mast to sort of squeeze in but stringfellow has no mast taper supposedly.

Been spending a lot of time on fins or race foil lately but ended up going out for a session this morning.

I put the back straps in the back most position, with the fronts left in the center holes. This widened my stance and helped a lot when pumping/sailing out of straps. Also, it left the rear straps as a great cue for where to put my back foot when moving it to jibe. I think I'll leave them here, I was leaving them off before and was missing a good cue. I used them when going harder upwind and every now and then otherwise.

I had a 5.6 and could've easily used a 5.0. There were times in gusts that I felt very overpowered. I ended up adding downhaul, outhaul, lowering my boom, and then for the first time putting my mast base pretty far forward. This is the first time I had tried moving it forward, the other times just leaving it centered. It really helped tame the gusts and made me a lot more comfortable with the level of overpower without having to change rigs.

My jibes are looking better. I still need to work on them but this is after not having ridden this setup in ?? they are looking a lot better. Feeling a lot more relaxed on entry and flip but on the exit I have some issues. I had more footage out more in the open bay but I'm having problems with my 360 gopro. I think it's on its last legs and stops randomly or fails during a session. I really wanted to see that footage but

I have heard the battery life on the insta 360 is better than GoPro Max. I basically get 50-60 min on my max per charge.

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I have heard the battery life on the insta 360 is better than GoPro Max. I basically get 50-60 min on my max per charge.

I'm really considering the switch to the insta. Too many software/hardware issues with GoPros. The editor crashes a lot and it's just a PITA to deal with.

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Been spending a lot of time on fins or race foil lately but ended up going out for a session this morning.

I put the back straps in the back most position, with the fronts left in the center holes. This widened my stance and helped a lot when pumping/sailing out of straps. Also, it left the rear straps as a great cue for where to put my back foot when moving it to jibe. I think I'll leave them here, I was leaving them off before and was missing a good cue. I used them when going harder upwind and every now and then otherwise.

I had a 5.6 and could've easily used a 5.0. There were times in gusts that I felt very overpowered. I ended up adding downhaul, outhaul, lowering my boom, and then for the first time putting my mast base pretty far forward. This is the first time I had tried moving it forward, the other times just leaving it centered. It really helped tame the gusts and made me a lot more comfortable with the level of overpower without having to change rigs.

My jibes are looking better. I still need to work on them but this is after not having ridden this setup in ?? they are looking a lot better. Feeling a lot more relaxed on entry and flip but on the exit I have some issues. I had more footage out more in the open bay but I'm having problems with my 360 gopro. I think it's on its last legs and stops randomly or fails during a session. I really wanted to see that footage but

Looking good on the jibe entry. A tad more TOW and your there. More speed gives you more time to get turned and situated before falling off the foil (I avoid jibing in a lull). Staying powered up through the jibe, especially in light air can be more challenging, Everyone has there own preference on sail flip/foot switch timing. I prefer to keep feet planted until the sail flip is complete/battens rotated with stable flight before the foot switch. If I have lots of speed, powering up really doesn't matter. I can use glide speed to get me through the turn, and load the sail/rotate battens at leisure.

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aeroegnr said..
Been spending a lot of time on fins or race foil lately but ended up going out for a session this morning.

I put the back straps in the back most position, with the fronts left in the center holes. This widened my stance and helped a lot when pumping/sailing out of straps. Also, it left the rear straps as a great cue for where to put my back foot when moving it to jibe. I think I'll leave them here, I was leaving them off before and was missing a good cue. I used them when going harder upwind and every now and then otherwise.

I had a 5.6 and could've easily used a 5.0. There were times in gusts that I felt very overpowered. I ended up adding downhaul, outhaul, lowering my boom, and then for the first time putting my mast base pretty far forward. This is the first time I had tried moving it forward, the other times just leaving it centered. It really helped tame the gusts and made me a lot more comfortable with the level of overpower without having to change rigs.

My jibes are looking better. I still need to work on them but this is after not having ridden this setup in ?? they are looking a lot better. Feeling a lot more relaxed on entry and flip but on the exit I have some issues. I had more footage out more in the open bay but I'm having problems with my 360 gopro. I think it's on its last legs and stops randomly or fails during a session. I really wanted to see that footage but

Looking good on the jibe entry. A tad more TOW and your there. More speed gives you more time to get turned and situated before falling off the foil (I avoid jibing in a lull). Staying powered up through the jibe, especially in light air can be more challenging, Everyone has there own preference on sail flip/foot switch timing. I prefer to keep feet planted until the sail flip is complete/battens rotated with stable flight before the foot switch. If I have lots of speed, powering up really doesn't matter. I can use glide speed to get me through the turn, and load the sail/rotate battens at leisure.

Thank you, yes, you are right. I've been keeping my feet in place until after the flip with freeride and switching at the same time with race foils.

Also, someone else pointed out that I was also coming up too high upwind at the end, which was true. I hadn't posted a clip where I came up past a reach during the jibe, getting closer to a downwind 360 than a jibe.

Live and learn, and will hopefully get some more fly throughs soon.

Such a perfect morning - thank goodness for good 4/3 rubber! So nice to have enough wind that we didn't have to worry about backwinding in jibes and such! I think I need a longer mast. If I enter the jibe high enough to finish clean on that 80cm I feel like I'm on the hairy edge of breaching the whole time. Made a few anyway. Tillo says he'll be on the lookout for a used 97 mast for me...

I thought you looked really comfortable on that compact X-Foil setup.The two times I've tried them I couldn't get the X-Foil to feel right at all but my own Alien/Taaroa combination felt very nice. 1250 front wing and minimal lift from the stabilizer so I never really felt overpowered on that 5.7 Sailworks. That sail LOVES downhaul.

Too much work to get out this morning but the Bay was frothy - I hope you got some rides.

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Such a perfect morning - thank goodness for good 4/3 rubber! So nice to have enough wind that we didn't have to worry about backwinding in jibes and such! I think I need a longer mast. If I enter the jibe high enough to finish clean on that 80cm I feel like I'm on the hairy edge of breaching the whole time. Made a few anyway. Tillo says he'll be on the lookout for a used 97 mast for me...

I thought you looked really comfortable on that compact X-Foil setup.The two times I've tried them I couldn't get the X-Foil to feel right at all but my own Alien/Taaroa combination felt very nice. 1250 front wing and minimal lift from the stabilizer so I never really felt overpowered on that 5.7 Sailworks. That sail LOVES downhaul.

Too much work to get out this morning but the Bay was frothy - I hope you got some rides.

Thank you, yeah I really like the way that board flies and I've gotten used to how it is when waiting to get going. I think when you got out I had sorted the tuning issues. I also think I would've had some better video of flying next to you and others but it got corrupted.

I was very careful to stay well clear of everything because I was running the 103cm. When I went outside I missed the sandbar but found it when coming back inside. Nice to know though that even at low tide it is rideable in the center. I really like that extra height. I wanted to try doing some jumps but I think I'll wait until it's a little lighter in the gusts...

I am pretty sure the 103 mast will avoid finding the bottom at the north side of the Dunedin Causeway, even at low tide. I have foiled there now for several years with a 90 cm mast. When I fall, I check for bottom with my feet but can never touch it. Also, I have taken a boat there with a fish finder. The bottom is never less than about 6 feet anywhere in that big rectangle between the Causeway and the boat channel and along the length of the Causeway. It's my favorite spot for NW to E winds. Plan to be alone there most of the time. Other than 3 locals, nobody knows about it.

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I am pretty sure the 103 mast will avoid finding the bottom at the north side of the Dunedin Causeway, even at low tide. I have foiled there now for several years with a 90 cm mast. When I fall, I check for bottom with my feet but can never touch it. Also, I have taken a boat there with a fish finder. The bottom is never less than about 6 feet anywhere in that big rectangle between the Causeway and the boat channel and along the length of the Causeway. It's my favorite spot for NW to E winds. Plan to be alone there most of the time. Other than 3 locals, nobody knows about it.

There's another spot that I never hit the bottom on, just fish, which is only 10mins for me. I may be moving soon and that will make DC a lot closer as it's an hour or more in traffic now. There are some guys who are now going there regularly for foiling. I may end up going and training with the Olympic guys instead though.

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Been spending a lot of time on fins or race foil lately but ended up going out for a session this morning.

I put the back straps in the back most position, with the fronts left in the center holes. This widened my stance and helped a lot when pumping/sailing out of straps. Also, it left the rear straps as a great cue for where to put my back foot when moving it to jibe. I think I'll leave them here, I was leaving them off before and was missing a good cue. I used them when going harder upwind and every now and then otherwise.

I had a 5.6 and could've easily used a 5.0. There were times in gusts that I felt very overpowered. I ended up adding downhaul, outhaul, lowering my boom, and then for the first time putting my mast base pretty far forward. This is the first time I had tried moving it forward, the other times just leaving it centered. It really helped tame the gusts and made me a lot more comfortable with the level of overpower without having to change rigs.

My jibes are looking better. I still need to work on them but this is after not having ridden this setup in ?? they are looking a lot better. Feeling a lot more relaxed on entry and flip but on the exit I have some issues. I had more footage out more in the open bay but I'm having problems with my 360 gopro. I think it's on its last legs and stops randomly or fails during a session. I really wanted to see that footage but

Nice video, Aero. I'm envious of your locale: I'm guessing you must be sailing somewhere near St. Pete in Florida, but I could be wrong. Looks like an incredibly relaxing way to spend a morning.

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aeroegnr said..
Been spending a lot of time on fins or race foil lately but ended up going out for a session this morning.

I put the back straps in the back most position, with the fronts left in the center holes. This widened my stance and helped a lot when pumping/sailing out of straps. Also, it left the rear straps as a great cue for where to put my back foot when moving it to jibe. I think I'll leave them here, I was leaving them off before and was missing a good cue. I used them when going harder upwind and every now and then otherwise.

I had a 5.6 and could've easily used a 5.0. There were times in gusts that I felt very overpowered. I ended up adding downhaul, outhaul, lowering my boom, and then for the first time putting my mast base pretty far forward. This is the first time I had tried moving it forward, the other times just leaving it centered. It really helped tame the gusts and made me a lot more comfortable with the level of overpower without having to change rigs.

My jibes are looking better. I still need to work on them but this is after not having ridden this setup in ?? they are looking a lot better. Feeling a lot more relaxed on entry and flip but on the exit I have some issues. I had more footage out more in the open bay but I'm having problems with my 360 gopro. I think it's on its last legs and stops randomly or fails during a session. I really wanted to see that footage but

Nice video, Aero. I'm envious of your locale: I'm guessing you must be sailing somewhere near St. Pete in Florida, but I could be wrong. Looks like an incredibly relaxing way to spend a morning.

Thank you, yep you've got it. It'll be even more relaxing when I'm flying all my jibes

Quick little update on trim. Today was up and down and so I had a 5.6 freek and 7.0 foil glide rigged. Ended up using them twice.

I noticed that when I wasn't totally overpowered, that the nose dived when taking my foot out of the rear strap to set up for a jibe. When I first rigged when I got there, I had set up the foil glide 7.0 with the base about 1.5-2cm from the center because last time I used a sail 7 or 8 on that board it felt cramped to me with the compact geometry.

Well, as soon as I bumped the mast base back to the marked center it stopped diving when I took my foot out of the rear strap.

So, I think I have it set up right:

Jack plate with the 2nd most forward position with the aluminum base as far forward as it will go on that. Rear straps in the aft most holes. Front straps in the center holes, both inboard.

With that set up I can pump to foil either with my rear foot out and immediately in front of the rear strap or in it. In it is a little easier. Flying out of the foot strap with the foot just riding the front of either of them feels good, and can track pretty high upwind out of the rear strap if I try to extend and get closer to a 7.

I've been winging the 926 and it really is a very nice foil. Very harmonious in pitch and roll, everything feels logical. I've had other foils which I've used have had less roll stability than pitch which can be a little unsettling.
Has good initial stability then cranks a turn very nicely. Breaches are fairly benign, I haven't tried purposefully pulling a tip out but I think it will be possible without drama based on the way it feels.

I'd like to see what it can do with a more slippery tail, possibly do some shimming.

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segler said..
Does the 926 wing fit onto the SABfoil 900 fuselage?

Phantasm wing on a stringfellow fuse made to fit sabfoil wings. There is a slight airgap when you look closely from a side view but not sure you would notice it on the water.

Hey Door where is the mast pocket placed on that fuselage? Fuselage length ?
Is that a spacers in the pocket?
How do you like the location and length with different SAB wings?

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Grantmac said..
I've been winging the 926 and it really is a very nice foil. Very harmonious in pitch and roll, everything feels logical. I've had other foils which I've used have had less roll stability than pitch which can be a little unsettling.
Has good initial stability then cranks a turn very nicely. Breaches are fairly benign, I haven't tried purposefully pulling a tip out but I think it will be possible without drama based on the way it feels.

I'd like to see what it can do with a more slippery tail, possibly do some shimming.

Funny that you mentioned how benign the breaches are. I hadn't really suffered a breaching problem at all with it, it warns you and responds very gently.

I played this morning on a 5.6, until the wind dropped off and I switched to race gear, but I tried the 72cm mast. So short! I was trying to try doing foil jumps. I tried a couple times on the 103cm mast but it was intimidating, and my pumps just sent me to the top of the mast.

I think I managed to do very tiny jumps with the foil out on this, at least that's what it felt like. Came back down pretty smoothly after feeling it release. Maybe only succeeded with it a couple times, the other times I got near the surface but just spun out a little bit, corrected, and kept going.

I was surprised by how hard I had to kick to get a good jump. I think that recalibrated my expectations. My jumps in general (fin too) are pretty garbage so I think I really need to give it more oomph overall.

It was pretty flat and the 72cm mast wasn't hard to ride in those conditions. I think my jibes suffered most because I couldn't get anywhere near as high for more height margin. But just doing light carves up and downwind weren't bad and I didn't have any real difficulties. <5.6 sail weather and that may change just due to the amount of wind chop and swells.

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thedoor said..

segler said..
Does the 926 wing fit onto the SABfoil 900 fuselage?

Phantasm wing on a stringfellow fuse made to fit sabfoil wings. There is a slight airgap when you look closely from a side view but not sure you would notice it on the water.

Hey Door where is the mast pocket placed on that fuselage? Fuselage length ?
Is that a spacers in the pocket?
How do you like the location and length with different SAB wings?

Sorry Hess, missed this. I put that on there just to show how they would fit. I never rode that stringfellow fuse. I think the idea is you can move the mast to fuselage connection but was a bit worried it would damage my mast. Apparently the 107 old moses mast has the same thing and that works pretty good.

926 wing .what wind speed can I expect to get up on foil with. 5.7m wave sail .say with a pump or two of rig ?
wizard 130 .I am 180lbs if that matters .

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skyking1231 said..
926 wing .what wind speed can I expect to get up on foil with. 5.7m wave sail .say with a pump or two of rig ?
wizard 130 .I am 180lbs if that matters .

I weigh in at 200lbs and I really want around 10-12kts minimum for that, maybe more and that requires a decent amount of pumping with my skill level. I do like having a 6.3 or even a 7.0 foilglide at that windspeed as there is definitely less effort. But the 5.6 freek takes me up to closer to 16-20kt gusts or so where I start to feel really overpowered and would rather be on my 5.0 blade or 4.4 freek if there's enough wind.

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926 wing .what wind speed can I expect to get up on foil with. 5.7m wave sail .say with a pump or two of rig ?
wizard 130 .I am 180lbs if that matters .

10-12 knots at your weight (I am 200lbs) and use 5.0 sail

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skyking1231 said..
926 wing .what wind speed can I expect to get up on foil with. 5.7m wave sail .say with a pump or two of rig ?
wizard 130 .I am 180lbs if that matters .

10-12 knots at your weight (I am 200lbs) and use 5.0 sail

Your video was helpful. Since i have the smae setup. (Just haven't used the 926 wing yet). Where is your wing in relation to your footstraps ? Middle or more towards front/rear ?
thanx

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CoreAS said..

skyking1231 said..
926 wing .what wind speed can I expect to get up on foil with. 5.7m wave sail .say with a pump or two of rig ?
wizard 130 .I am 180lbs if that matters .

10-12 knots at your weight (I am 200lbs) and use 5.0 sail

Your video was helpful. Since i have the smae setup. (Just haven't used the 926 wing yet). Where is your wing in relation to your footstraps ? Middle or more towards front/rear ?
thanx

Both the PTM926 and PFI730 I had the back of the mast plate set at number 1.5 on the board foil track measurement.

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skyking1231 said..
926 wing .what wind speed can I expect to get up on foil with. 5.7m wave sail .say with a pump or two of rig ?
wizard 130 .I am 180lbs if that matters .

10-12 knots at your weight (I am 200lbs) and use 5.0 sail

Got to finally use the 926. Really like it. 4.5 sail with wind gusts hitting low 20's(mph).could have gone with 4.0 at times. Very nice at speed .didn't feel like foil wanted to lift up out of water like the 76 does. Still have to play around with it.
But digging the high aspect wing.

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skyking1231 said..
926 wing .what wind speed can I expect to get up on foil with. 5.7m wave sail .say with a pump or two of rig ?
wizard 130 .I am 180lbs if that matters .

10-12 knots at your weight (I am 200lbs) and use 5.0 sail

It is interesting how definition of "light wind" as 10-12 kt can be a good example what specific Hydrofoil size / surface (cm2) can do for you also from my graph and what Speeds to expect. I also get it. If enough wind 5.0m sail feels like a feather.
I want to be on the water every week of the year, But have to take into account what Mother Nature provides at my doorstep therefore:
There is an old sailing Wisdom:
"Our Destiny is shaped by our Thoughts & Actions. We can not direct the Wind. We can only adjust the Sails."
So that is what I do

Also, concept of "Diversity", "Tools for the Toolbox", "The more the Merrier", "Different strokes for Different folks" comes into mind.

I would never force someone to eat something a persons pallet does not enjoy and would never add my "magic sauce (my recipe)" to spoil someone's food. Only to point out that "magic ingredients" do exists and Everyone has opportunity to adjust the recipe understanding what each spice does to your body.

Hey, I am getting hungry talking all about food




Hey, I shut up now.

Was expecting stronger wind due to reports on the ground but by the time I showed up only foilers were still out today.

I ran the 72cm mast so that I could stay on the inside at high tide. Longest session I've had with the 72cm. This wing really doesn't want to rise and foil out. Only had foil outs when going on the outside and jibing in around .5-1ft windswell.
Downside of that mast was that I was spinning out more than normal. Not sure if mast was the issue or just the weeds, as I was also grabbing those, but I think the mast was contributing.
Regardless, in flat water the 72cm mast is totally doable. Jibes are a bit trickier though.

Also I've been running the foilx with outboard straps with one extra hole wide spread from rear to front foot. I like the extra power and feel like upwind is more stable and higher angle. Felt like I could get in a much better sheeted angle hiked out in a 7 with hands right on the harness lines.

Today was a Blade 6.7, which I haven't foiled with much. Had it at extra 2cm on extension to make the power a little higher, 1cm extra outhaul, and tightened the leech so that it was only loose on the last 1/3-1/2 of the top batten. Usually giving it full downhaul it's about 2/3 there. I think the foilglide 7.0 would have been better but I was expecting to fin with foiling as a backup today. Took a measurement right after I flew back at the end of the session and it was 8-11kts but who knows how accurate that was. I was pumping a decent amount to get going but felt good power once so. Other foilers were a very skilled 135lb lightweight with a 5.6 and a learner with I think an 8.5 and occasionally flying but only passive flying without pumping.

Finally had some completely clean and dry foil jibes, and a bunch of jibes just touching after the sail flip.

Foilx 145, ptm 926, FG 7.0.

Only thing I changed was AGGRESSIVELY and EARLY, more so than seemed reasonable, going for the new front strap. Was going into it somewhere before dead downwind and I felt it stabilize everything, making the carve and flip much much easier before turning back hard upwind. The flip felt a lot more like a slogging jibe flip, except totally free of the water. I had much much better height control instead of waiting longer in the old front. Saved some ugly flips and kept going. Kept up with a couple of the better freeride foilers here, timing my jibes with them and staying upwind so wouldn't crash into them.

Felt soooo good to have a few reaches of clean jibes before eventually biffing one. Took a screen capture of the gps track in one case, where I jibed to stay with someone downwind of me (I think? it's hard to tell without onboard video).

GulfWinds set up a camera on a pole in the water and got the pic below. I only got a couple of jibes around it as I had been on the water about 3 hours before then and I was cramping up bad. You can see my feet in mid shuffle to get to the new strap. Some jibes I went straight in, others I shuffled like this. Once I get more practice I can tell I could probably get straight in without looking. I wasn't looking at my feet a lot. I did miss a few times, and get hung up on the centerline with an awkward sail position.

Looking forward to a race foil session as I find the jibes on that more stable and easier, and more consistent.