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Paddle Fitness......

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WA71
WA71

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28 May 2013 4:36pm
^^ Yep, what he said
trevor1
trevor1

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28 May 2013 4:40pm
Hey Doggie (WA71),

below is a helpful link for you to catch up with Suba:

www.rsvp.com.au/login.action?loginTarget=%2Fprofile%2Fdisplay.action%3Fhandle%3Dsubasurf%26mail%3Dfalse%26md%3D1%26uid%3D2898268



(Although I still reckon you and him are the same person ... !!!)
WA71
WA71

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28 May 2013 4:56pm
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trevor1 said..
Hey Doggie (WA71),below is a helpful link for you to catch up with Suba:www.rsvp.com.au/login.action?loginTarget=%2Fprofile%2Fdisplay.action%3Fhandle%3Dsubasurf%26mail%3Dfalse%26md%3D1%26uid%3D2898268

(Although I still reckon you and him are the same person ... !!!)


Glad I read the link before I clicked on it

Defo not suba, Im Laurie so Im told

I could also be Legion
Legion
Legion

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28 May 2013 5:00pm
Don't bring me into this! That link is blocked for me, but I'm guessing it's how this whole date discussion started out .
WA71
WA71

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28 May 2013 5:02pm
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Legion said..
Don't bring me into this! That link is blocked for me, but I'm guessing it's how this whole date discussion started out .


To late, you are in!!

Its funny how when I mention Legion he turns up
subasurf
subasurf

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28 May 2013 5:04pm
...and here begins the 5hit storm of our time hahaha.
WA71
WA71

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28 May 2013 5:09pm
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subasurf said..
...and here begins the 5hit storm of our time hahaha.


Days of Our Lives
subasurf
subasurf

WA

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28 May 2013 5:11pm
Christ this forum must have been dead before I came along hahaha.
WA71
WA71

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28 May 2013 5:14pm
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subasurf said..
Christ this forum must have been dead before I came along hahaha.


Yea,, so dead......................................

Thinking of it there is a few that only post on the odd ocasion now.
Ctngoodvibes
Ctngoodvibes

WA

1404 posts

28 May 2013 5:31pm
To develop a strong right arm (or left if you are so inclined) I recommend jerkin the gherkin 3x a day. Adjust your technique as required; the reverse backwards fantail is a favorite. By all reports certain breeze posters have mastered this art and may be able to give pro tips.
subasurf
subasurf

WA

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28 May 2013 5:33pm
I'll pass on that tip to the girl(s) I surf with occasionally.
Ted the Kiwi
Ted the Kiwi

NSW

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28 May 2013 7:43pm
If you are after good paddle technique which will enable you paddle more efficiently and effectively and hence for longer you could always read Mr Carroll's contribution to the debate. Well worth a read for anyone who likes to paddle in their spare time.

forum.realsurf.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=12430

Gringo
Gringo

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28 May 2013 9:08pm
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WA71 said..

bene313 said..
WA71 said..



^^ Yep swim is best.



Just got a new skateboard and Im loving it at the moment, Im out 3-4 times a week on it and more if Ive got time


What sort of board? I have a fish style board - I've replaced the hard wheels with softer ones, which is comfy but now won't slide.

The other thing you can do for surf fitness is spend some time on an indo board.


Its called a Pandanas - The Fat, its a big cruiser with super grippy wheels.

http://www.pandanas-australia.com.au/products/coming-soon


Hey Doggie, can you use that skateboard in parks or is it too big and heavy ?
zarb
zarb

NSW

696 posts

29 May 2013 8:28am
Burpees are always a nice exercise when you're feeling like torturing yourself. Don't need any equipment either.
WA71
WA71

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29 May 2013 8:33am
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Gringo said..
WA71 said..



bene313 said..

WA71 said..







^^ Yep swim is best.







Just got a new skateboard and Im loving it at the moment, Im out 3-4 times a week on it and more if Ive got time




What sort of board? I have a fish style board - I've replaced the hard wheels with softer ones, which is comfy but now won't slide.



The other thing you can do for surf fitness is spend some time on an indo board.




Its called a Pandanas - The Fat, its a big cruiser with super grippy wheels.



http://www.pandanas-australia.com.au/products/coming-soon


Hey Doggie, can you use that skateboard in parks or is it too big and heavy ?


Havnt tried it on one yet, it is a little bit heavy but I recon a quarter pipe isnt out of the question.
Sham1984
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29 May 2013 11:26am
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Ted the Kiwi said..

If you are after good paddle technique which will enable you paddle more efficiently and effectively and hence for longer you could always read Mr Carroll's contribution to the debate. Well worth a read for anyone who likes to paddle in their spare time.

forum.realsurf.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=12430



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Most surfers paddle with a fairly stiff elbow, rotating most of the movement through the shoulder joint and relying on sheer grunt to get the job done. They swing their arms wide on the return and put a lot of effort into the middle of the stroke. Often they cup their hands. They tire fairly quickly, within 50 strokes or so, and have to take little rests all the way out to the lineup. Sound familiar?

You think this is OK, fine, but I've got a thousand surfers with rotator cuff injuries I can introduce you to who'll tell ya otherwise.

Correct technique takes the effort out of the arms and shoulders and transfers much of it into the larger muscles of the upper and middle back.

I'm not gonna do a tutorial here -- if you want one of them you're gonna have to pay for it. But here's some tips:

The "catch" -- the initial sliding your hand into the water and the first six to 12 inches of movement -- is the most important part of the paddle stroke.

Put your hand in soft and flat -- fingers slightly apart, wrist tilted at 45 degrees, neither the thumb or the little finger going in first, but nice and flat -- take a fraction of a second to gather some water under the palm of your hand, and pull through.

Keep the hand relaxed and the stroke pretty much straight from "catch" to release -- don't twist your hand under the board too much.

Once your's hand's past the line of your shoulder, effective transfer of power is finished. At that point, cut the straining and relax. The back end of the stroke -- the "release" -- is all about bringing the hand out smoothly.

Bring it out earlier than you think -- about at the hip line, max.

Instead of lifting the hand out, lift the elbow. The hand will follow.

Keep the elbow high and track the hand up to the "catch" in as straight a line as you can.

Keep the strokes per minute down and focus instead on correcting the stroke. 40 spm done right will ruin 80 spm done wrong. (As the actress said to the bishop.)

And ... consciously ... relax.


good tips!
Salty Sea Dog
Salty Sea Dog

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29 May 2013 1:08pm
Anybody used this?? www.hugedomains.com/domain_profile.cfm?d=fit2surf&e=com

Probably a bit expensive for what it is as I am sure you can get the same results with resistance bands/tubes from Rebel, but it seems like it would work in theory. Seems to have some good reviews on Magic Seaweed.
surferstu
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29 May 2013 11:17am
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MornoPom said..

Anybody used this?? www.hugedomains.com/domain_profile.cfm?d=fit2surf&e=com

Probably a bit expensive for what it is as I am sure you can get the same results with resistance bands/tubes from Rebel, but it seems like it would work in theory. Seems to have some good reviews on Magic Seaweed.


Does it come with a free bottle of snake oil?
Legion
Legion

WA

2222 posts

29 May 2013 11:51am
No rubber bands or anything will help. Technique will be a far bigger factor than fitness. No way around it but to paddle.
Poida
Poida

WA

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29 May 2013 12:13pm
push ups, chin ups and sit ups plus some walking is free, add some swimming at a pool or ocean with some intervals
otherwise surf 4 times a week
now I just got to follow my advice
I hadnt surfed for two weeks then over the last week or so surfed 7 times in 10 days, just recovering. with some of last weeks swell my arms were feeling like jelly trying to paddle through currents and sets getting back out and paddling in circles to get a wave from the hungry pack

PaddlePig
PaddlePig

WA

421 posts

29 May 2013 1:03pm
Don't want to sound arrogant or anything but a few years ago I was heavily involved in paddling and really strong too. I used to paddle a surfboard like a dragon boat, lock onto the catch and rip the thing back. Sure paddled fast for about 100 strokes but after that I was knackered. Also sucked a lot of air too and if I got cleaned up I struggled. These days I do no fitness except the odd ride of a bicycle and I paddle a surfboard less aggressively and I agree with Legion, seems to work better. Staying relaxed and flowing with efficiency is better than being built like a paddle machine and blowing a gasket.
bene313
bene313

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29 May 2013 4:20pm
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Poida said..

...add some swimming at a pool or ocean with some intervals



I have done plenty of swims between the city groins. Up and back is 1km so do that twice. Much more satisfying than in the pool, although winter is cold, and these days dark shadows are in the back of the mind! Why is it I never worry about sharks when surfing or kiting but can't seem to shake the thought swimming?
Poida
Poida

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29 May 2013 5:34pm
i used to do swims around metams but with a goggle and snorkel, 30mins, could see if anything was coming from the front of you, just not from the back. surfing and kiting you cant see them either , but probably cause you can see everything on the surface you feel safe.

paddling efficiently is great in an uncrowded lineup with glassy conditions, where you can do a few timed strokes into a blissful peak, but you get a moving peak, sneaker sets, current, a moving pack of hungry groms and office arms they turn to jelly quick. Never bothers you if you been surfing 4 times a week for a month of so.
quirkus
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29 May 2013 7:09pm
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Legion said..

No rubber bands or anything will help. Technique will be a far bigger factor than fitness. No way around it but to paddle.




Yep,,

As far as fitness goes,,
I used to swim heaps to practice for the rottnest swims, and it didn't help. Spaghetti arms when it came to surfing.

Spend a week in indo,, come back with a new bod.. not Kelly Slaters, but totally different feel and confidence.
doesn't seem to make sense as I thought it would take 6-8 weeks of exercise to get some decent tone, but I was surprised.
Also, swimming technique is quite different if you're doing it properly.,,

I also play squash 2 or 3 times a week, and thought I was relatively fit. When I first started surfing I was stuffed after 20 minutes in the water. Its all different.

As for muscle tone,,

I'm sure push ups, and practice popups, and some general muscle tone ups would have to help , though. The pros do them.
Ctngoodvibes
Ctngoodvibes

WA

1404 posts

29 May 2013 9:11pm
I reckon positioning is more key than paddling
Surfstarved
Surfstarved

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29 May 2013 9:14pm
Anyone find they get tired from all that training? I currently swim 3 times a week (1hr of freestyle 50m sprints with breastroke recovery and the odd hold your breath and see how far you swim) and a weights or 12km run every now and then. On top of work and everything, when I get out, my arms feel like dead weights and I struggle to paddle! Surely a paddle out 3-4 mornings a week on top shouldn't be that much of a struggle!

Was waiting for the fitness improvements to kick in but still waiting At the same time, I found it was not as much paddling but positioning that gets me into a wave. If I time it right, it's usually 1-2 strokes and then pop up. It means though if there's a big sweep, I'm screwed.
bene313
bene313

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29 May 2013 11:27pm
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Ctngoodvibes said...
I reckon positioning is more key than paddling


Huh? What about:
- strong current
- caught inside on sizey day
- long paddle out
- difficult take offs
Ctngoodvibes
Ctngoodvibes

WA

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30 May 2013 7:43am
My point is you can be the best paddler in the world, but if you don't know where to sit, or don't know how to read the ocean you won't be getting any waves.
jbshack
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30 May 2013 1:26pm
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Ctngoodvibes said..

My point is you can be the best paddler in the world, but if you don't know where to sit, or don't know how to read the ocean you won't be getting any waves.


I'll admit this sounds like me. I tend to second guess it all the time and sometimes will have a terrible surf as i find it hard to get what i call "Rhythm" of the ocean. It doesn't help that my local moves all around like a Gypsy on heat

I love a good surf break that just breaks in the same spot most of the time.. Constant points are what i long for

That and a jet ski to tow me back out after each wave would be nice
Surfing Dolphins
Surfing Dolphins

QLD

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4 Jun 2013 9:00pm
when you are talking about skate boards the best I have found are carver skateboards closest thing to the surf feel.they have a pivot truck one the front, pumps like a surf board you dont have to push with a foot on the ground.if you can get one to try well worth it. Think there are a few others with similar trucks,personally found the carver better made.Gets the heart rate up because you never stop unless you found the ground
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