www.change.org/p/world-surf-league-award-mick-fanning-and-julian-wilson-equal-share-of-combined-first-and-second-points-9000-each

i won't be signing that. just accept and move on people!
hopefully julian uses it as fuel to fire him into a charge towards the end of the year. nothing against mick (what a legend!! hope he is back out there and competing as soon as he is mentally ready), but just feel like it is julians year and a changing of the guard - he's been surfing awesome all year.

credit where its due, adriano has been surfing super consistent too - but i reckon julian has him shaded for the events at the end of the year (france, portugal, hawaii) - and maybe trestles too, but toledo or slater likely to go nuts there, and slater in tahiti as well probably

go aussies!

Just wondering.. Has a petition for anything ever worked?

Yep Rules are rules
No matter how ridiculous they are
18000 points available
Let's just give em 16000
Sort it out Commissioner Gordon
Hopefully it doesn't mean anything after Pipe
And like everyone glad that Fanning came away unscathed

few interesting comments from Derek Hynd
www.smh.com.au/sport/video-australian-surfs-jbay-one-hour-after-mick-fanning-shark-attack-20150721-gihafi.html

i am 100 % with the shark cage diving comments
greatest travesty ever in relation to increasing risk of attacks
training sharks to identify humans with food!
f$$king lunacy!

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Prawnhead said..
few interesting comments from Derek Hynd
www.smh.com.au/sport/video-australian-surfs-jbay-one-hour-after-mick-fanning-shark-attack-20150721-gihafi.html

i am 100 % with the shark cage diving comments
greatest travesty ever in relation to increasing risk of attacks
training sharks to identify humans with food!
f$$king lunacy!

+1

An old bloke I know from Augusta said in the old days you'd see a shark on your commercial fishing boat & bang you shot it with your shotgun. Sharks would see you coming & they would get the fark out of the way. Now they're circling the farking boat

Behavior & numbers have changed & I believe those seen as responsible for studying them make things worse with misinformation & study techniques (shark territory & study are global). I think they should be treated like other fish in the sea. Open game over a certain size. Of course people relying upon government grants to continue working in their chosen field have no incentive other than stating GW's are at risk & further study is required.

Frequency of incidents rising clearly show otherwise

This is the full final for anyone who missed it.

Attack happens at 14:40

does anyone get annoyed with Mick and Julian now giving post shark interviews with corp names all over the screen or is it just me ? Even that very well known can in Mick's hand is very visible...
FFS I thought that $hit would change everyone's life... Just put "surfers against cage diving" banner or something like "Jesus loves me" ...

^^^ I doubt it was their choice dmitri Id imagine the sponsors would be orchestrating that stuff,just like they shove a hat on their head as they're coming out of the water,haven't even had time to take their leggies off.

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does anyone get annoyed with Mick and Julian now giving post shark interviews with corp names all over the screen or is it just me ? Even that very well known can in Mick's hand is very visible...
FFS I thought that $hit would change everyone's life... Just put "surfers against cage diving" banner or something like "Jesus loves me" ...

Gotta remember the whole world is watching
I think I read somewhere that it was the day surfing stopped the world

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does anyone get annoyed with Mick and Julian now giving post shark interviews with corp names all over the screen or is it just me ? Even that very well known can in Mick's hand is very visible...
FFS I thought that $hit would change everyone's life... Just put "surfers against cage diving" banner or something like "Jesus loves me" ...

I was wondering how much the boys made for holding those cans. The pressure to do it would have been huge. Spoilt it for me though - mistake by that advertiser I reckon. Their logo was on the board right behind, that was enough.

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Of course people relying upon government grants to continue working in their chosen field have no incentive other than stating GW's are at risk & further study is required.

This.

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dmitri said..
does anyone get annoyed with Mick and Julian now giving post shark interviews with corp names all over the screen or is it just me ? Even that very well known can in Mick's hand is very visible...
FFS I thought that $hit would change everyone's life... Just put "surfers against cage diving" banner or something like "Jesus loves me" ...

I was annoyed more by this misleading piece of crap.

http://yourfriendshouse.com/opinion/mick-fanning-wasnt-attacked-by-a-shark/

I'm surprised no one has mentioned anything about the cage diving before
The debate has been raging in Sth Africa for years but barely gets a mention in Australia.
Train them up in SA and swim over here for sport
Personally I hate the shark debate on social media etc
Brings out all the experts and keyboard warriors
I know I'm not a marine expert. Just because I spend more time in the ocean than the average joe doesn't mean I know everything about the sea and its inhabitants

lots of people talk about cage diving in sa. Port lincoln has 3 operators who regularly go to neptune islands , bait for sharks using blood , offal and tuna . They harass white pointers into responding to the boats and putting on a good show for paying customers. apparently one of the most profitable 1 day charters anywhere in the world.
there has been increase in sightings and attacks on ep and the west coast. ab divers are publicly worried about trained sharks with a recent fatal 2 shark attack on one diver and serious atttack at fisheries bay about three months ago.

when a killer whale attack(on a pointer) dispersed the sharks they ( 2 0f the 3) wanted to expand their operations into the sir joseph banks group of islands which is 8 miles from main land and used extensively by the public.
It is only a matter of time before we see more attacks here as sharks are familiar with people in the water(they can not get at ) and divers , surfer's, kitesurfers, swimmers etc that they can get at.
fanning was bloody lucky to have survived an 'enquiry' , not many survive a charge attack.

I love snow skiing.

The feeling of ripping down a freshly snow doused hill linking turns together and charting different paths over bumps, small ramps and the embankments formed by snowboarders with shovels give me so much joy. But their is a menace in the snow fields. Trees kill skiers and borders all over the world, indiscriminately injuring innocent humans, just enjoying themselves

How can we fix this problem, is it possible or even responsible to remove all the trees, or even just cull a few thousand in each area

Im being sarcastic obviously because its not that simple, its just not possible to take a wild environment and change it just to suit human beings, with out effecting the area, the natural balance or the love of the sport..


Flame away

Ah, yeah, you've got no idea bjshack. Very poor choice of analogy. I'm not even going to bother because it's clear from the thumbs everyone else is laughing too. You ever been to a ski hill? That might have been a good idea before commenting.

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Ah, yeah, you've got no idea bjshack. Very poor choice of analogy. I'm not even going to bother because it's clear from the thumbs everyone else is laughing too. You ever been to a ski hill? That might have been a good idea before commenting.

But he is right, you are wrong regardless of the analogy(was crap btw JB sorry)

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Ah, yeah, you've got no idea bjshack. Very poor choice of analogy. I'm not even going to bother because it's clear from the thumbs everyone else is laughing too. You ever been to a ski hill? That might have been a good idea before commenting.

Actually yes i have grumpy bum, and the funniest part is i really love skiing through the trees

But hey got you posting again..

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Legion said..
Ah, yeah, you've got no idea bjshack. Very poor choice of analogy. I'm not even going to bother because it's clear from the thumbs everyone else is laughing too. You ever been to a ski hill? That might have been a good idea before commenting.

But he is right, you are wrong regardless of the analogy(was crap btw JB sorry)

Not for me..

Its pure arrogance to think we can change a compete environment just for our own desire to allay our fears

I saw this before for all the scaredy cats out their.. #ILLSURFWITHYOU

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DARTH said..

Legion said..
Ah, yeah, you've got no idea bjshack. Very poor choice of analogy. I'm not even going to bother because it's clear from the thumbs everyone else is laughing too. You ever been to a ski hill? That might have been a good idea before commenting.

But he is right, you are wrong regardless of the analogy(was crap btw JB sorry)

Not for me..

Its pure arrogance to think we can change a compete environment just for our own desire to allay our fears

I saw this before for all the scaredy cats out their.. #ILLSURFWITHYOU

#ILLSURFWITHYOU only if you have your surf safe on lol

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jbshack said..

DARTH said..

Legion said..
Ah, yeah, you've got no idea bjshack. Very poor choice of analogy. I'm not even going to bother because it's clear from the thumbs everyone else is laughing too. You ever been to a ski hill? That might have been a good idea before commenting.

But he is right, you are wrong regardless of the analogy(was crap btw JB sorry)

Not for me..

Its pure arrogance to think we can change a compete environment just for our own desire to allay our fears

I saw this before for all the scaredy cats out their.. #ILLSURFWITHYOU

#ILLSURFWITHYOU only if you have your surf safe on lol

Haha yeah I've got to get anther one fitted to my SP before heading to Byron.. You can give it another go after if you like..

What am I wrong about doggie? I didn't state anything except it was a bad analogy, which you agreed with.

bjshack, ski hills are absolutely artificial, controlled, changed environments. Very heavily managed to minimise risks. Why do you think there are no trees down marked runs? Hint - someone changed the compete environment.

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I love snow skiing.

The feeling of ripping down a freshly snow doused hill linking turns together and charting different paths over bumps, small ramps and the embankments formed by snowboarders with shovels give me so much joy. But their is a menace in the snow fields. Trees kill skiers and borders all over the world, indiscriminately injuring innocent humans, just enjoying themselves

How can we fix this problem, is it possible or even responsible to remove all the trees, or even just cull a few thousand in each area

Im being sarcastic obviously because its not that simple, its just not possible to take a wild environment and change it just to suit human beings, with out effecting the area, the natural balance or the love of the sport..


Flame away

Until this, this thread has been predominantly about the incident, and things like the media, cage diving, with minimal posts about culling sharks (apart from one above which wasn't really about culling, just fishing), and you have to post this.

I think the issue for you is not really about conserving sharks, you just like the attention.
Bye, bye now.

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What am I wrong about doggie? I didn't state anything except it was a bad analogy, which you agreed with.

bjshack, ski hills are absolutely artificial, controlled, changed environments. Very heavily managed to minimise risks. Why do you think there are no trees down marked runs? Hint - someone changed the compete environment.

Nice try at a dodge but you wrote - Ah, yeah, you've got no idea jbshack.

He absolutely doesn't. That's patently obvious.

Bulldozers clear runs of trees and rocks in the summer. In winter groomers flatten and smooth most runs every night. At a lot of resorts artificial snow blows every night, at some resorts continuously until they exhaust their water allowance. People ride multi million dollar lifts in comfort up the hill. There is a huge team of professional patrollers and medical staff on hand. If it snows they bomb the crap out of the hill to trigger slides before punters are allowed up. In prone areas there are permanent slide prevention and mitigation devices. In some tree areas they selectively glade individual trees in summer to provide the "tree experience" while making it easier for punters.

bjshack was talking specifically about trees. Many, many trees are felled many years at ski hills in the summer. Not indiscriminately, purely to suit human beings and their selfish 1% sport. If you keep your eyes open, at some areas a whole bunch of trees will have paint markings. Those ones' days are normally numbered.

"Snow doused hill"
"embankments formed by snowboarders with shovels"
Lol

bjshack, the Joe Turpel of skiing.

Ah the old shark / environment argument.
After spending the last month in the most polluted city in the world (Google it) I reckon where all furked anyway

How is the surf in Ahvaz this year?

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Its pure arrogance to think we can change a compete environment just for our own desire to allay our fears

Protecting one species & not the others is changing the environment.

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Reclaim Australia Movement Demands Shark-Cull After Fanning IncidentJuly 20, 2015. 10:10CLANCY OVERELL | Editor | Contact


<div class="story-intro">SHOCKING footage of Mick Fanning fending off a great white shark in Jeffreys Bay, South Africa, has made waves around the world.The Australian cultural activist movement, Reclaim Australia, has made an official statement this morning surrounding the incident. The movement has stated, that current increase in shark attacks on Australian beaches is something they have also been keeping a close eye on.“Blame it on it whatever, global warming, over-fishing, failed attempts at multi-culturalism… the same thing is happening here”“The fact is there has been thousands of sightings of sharks and hundreds of shark attacks in the same decade that we have seen a rampant rise in domestic terrorism,” said Reclaim Australia spokesman, Councillor Keith Carton
<div class="wp-caption alignleft"> members of the Reclaim Australia movement take to the streets this morning to protest the life-threatening increase in sharks

“After seeing that footage of Mick Fanning in South Africa, we realise, like that country… Australia’s attempts at integration have failed and in turn we are sitting ducks for terrorists and sharks,”“The Greeks have been scouring our waterways since they came off the boat. Don’t get me started on the Chinese,”

The movement, which made controversial headlines over the weekend says their movement advocates the safety of Australian culture and Australians from all kinds of domestic and foreign threats, not just Islam-specific threats.“Sure this stuff is happening in South Africa, some might say it’s not a concern here…”“…But it will be here soon enough, mark my words. Who would have ever thought surfing competitions would have to be called off because of shark attacks,”“This is just like the terrorists. You let “friendly” communities of sharks breed in our waters, next thing you know BOOM!.. It’ll be a Martin Place siege… in Bondi… with sharks”

If you would like anymore information regarding this story – please contacteditor@betootaadvocate.com

and something slightly more serious.

This was written and released in the Australian a few days before the Fanning incident.



And if you cant tell me what a normal distribution is whether it skewed and what the SD is then please don't quote statistics cause you don't understand them

I've pasted the first paragraph and added the link for the rest.

The basis is that after Fifteen fatals in Australia since 2010, and 51 bites since 2012 or triple the 50-year average we need to manage the problem? There are numerous solutions be interesting to see where this discussion ends up.




Shark culling vs. shark attacks: has our admiration gone too far?

www.theaustralian.com.au/nocookies?a=A.flavipes



<div class="story-intro">Great white sharks have been ­protected in all Australian waters since 1998. The first male great whites born into that protection reached maturity eight to 10 years ago, and their female counterparts started maturing in 2010. In the meantime, the surviving juveniles born before 1998 presumably also mated.
The consequences of this ­protection arguably are being felt in human casualties, which are increasing dramatically.There have been 15 fatalities in Australia since August 2010 (and 51 injuries since 2012), which is more than ­triple the average for the past 50 years, according to the Australian Shark Attack File kept by the Taronga Conservation Society. Unoffici­ally, there may be more. When people go missing at sea — as 25-year-old Martyn Tann did off Mullaloo Beach, Perth, in 2013 — their fate is not always recorded as shark-related, even if the missing person is known to be a good swimmer.Of the known fatal attacks, at least five were, or were suspected to be, perpetrated by great whites. You don’t need to be a statistician to suspect a correlation. Some are asking if it is time to lift the great white’s protected status. Have great whites — and, for that matter, tigers and bulls, which make up some of the other fatal attackers — reached numbers that may require more diligent management?