You know the drill, pics all the way through please.
If I remember correctly from an old pic in here you're about 5'8"-5'10" and 70-80kg?? If so you'll get away with less float than me and it'll also determine the planshape too, as you'll do best with less foam in the tail of your board than I can being 6' and 105+kg. And you want a tube machine yeah? So you really want to keep the area down in the tail so the foamball doesn't pick you up and turn you sideways, that never ends well.

Now this can translate into either an area pin thruster or a twin/quad fish and they are two very different beasts and involve totally different styles of surfing. The modern kneelo scene is built around the fins forward thruster ala Flashpoint or Parkes, as so ably demonstrated below by a 50 odd year old 4 time world champ;
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His boards are shaped by Bruce Hart in Sydney, I've had two of Bruce's boards and absolutely hated both of them. You'll note in the vid how Sparra is leaning so far forward, this explains the whole fins forward thing(pivot point) and whilst I understand how it works, I've just never been able to get it to work for me. And I don't think it's just a fat thing as a bloke I know that is built like Sponge Bob with rounded edges rides Bruce's boards and he absolutely shreds.

The other school of kneeboarding(and modern surfing for that matter!) came about via the Steve Lis Fish. Fins back, a foot or so shorter than fins forward boards and ridden off the tail. I model my boards off the Lis platform but have played around with the centrepoint, concaves and generally filled the swallow tail into a diamond. I also like my fins somewhere between front and back.

The top board in this pic is very Lis, so is the bottom one for that matter but I prefer the quad...
http://www.ksusa.org/Forum/album_showpage.php?pic_id=1218
and I reckon something like this would suit you to a T as a tube machine. Also more flexible to use as a standup fish too, they're one and the same after all.

One thing I reckon you really need to address with the Lis shape is the hull entry thing. I reckon it's a dog, it makes paddling so damn hard, you're pushing water the whole time. Instead go the full on(8-12mm) single concave in the nose into a double through the guts, shallowing out through the fins and flat out the tail for release. Also allows you to do away with hard rails so far forward which allows for more margin for error. Much the same effect as Arkgee's chines.

If you're not going to use flippers then I'd go a 5'8" to 5'10" x 23 x 2.5" rail centric quad Lis-ish fish. If you're going to use it exclusively as a kneelo and wear flippers then you could go 5'2" to5'6" x 22.5" x 2" make sure you go a heavy glass job or alternately compsand as you tend to get worked quite a bit and it's always in the nastiest part of the wave.

This is my current fave and these fins are now avaiable in FCS tabs too. Tried this thing with lots and lots of fin combinations and keep coming back to these. This thing is almost a quiver killer for me except the diamond get's me into strife on the foamball and I get eaten.




One of these with a Dan Tomo- ish swallow will complete me.

That's a very short, fat longboard.

Chrispy due to the content in this thread that YOU encouraged you have been deleted from all my contact lists.


and PUP you getting close for starting threads and posting way too much in the SUP room.

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Scotty88 said...
That's a very short, fat longboard.

+ 1

Looks like my sweet potato!

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62mac said...
Chrispy due to the content in this thread that YOU encouraged you have been deleted from all my contact lists.


and PUP you getting close for starting threads and posting way too much in the SUP room.




Howwwwwwwwwwwwwllllllll ........ Im sorry boss i promise to be a good unna from now on in

Cant wait for this thread Chrispy will post some pics of my two Hart boards tonight can meet you and Asea for a surf up that way this week will bring three kneelos for you to try we can buzz Asea like two F18 attacking a cruise liner

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boofy said...
Cant wait for this thread Chrispy will post some pics of my two Hart boards tonight can meet you and Asea for a surf up that way this week will bring three kneelos for you to try we can buzz Asea like two F18 attacking a cruise liner

^^^^
Aseaaaaaaaa

I hope this doesnt come across as to dumb a question but for a kneelo is there a difference going left or right ?

In body surfing I can go ok going right but feels weird and I end up down the bottom of the wave. Going left can stay up higher, get more speed etc and feels so much better.

This thread should be shut & locked.

Chrispy

Indo for me it feels much better going right on anything I surf, but for me my kneeboards are much more forgiving going left cause you havent got your back to the wave

Oh dear we have issues.

MR and I know a knee boarder at our local, nothing unusual there I hear you say. Perhaps his board may be a little unusual, it a 10' NSP and he refuses to standup on it.

Is it a problem? You bet your sweet arse it is. He gets way way inside on the point and paddles into a wave that he's got F all chance of standing up on, knee boards his way through the wash and then claims priority.

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62mac said...
Oh dear I have issues.

My old man was a kneelo before his knees carked it so I have a bit of a soft spot for them....my old man was classic we thought he couldn't surf for **** because he never really came out much when it was marginal...anyway it gets solid probably 8-10ft cranking mysto right hand reef and the old boy trots over on the kneelo in his diving wetsuit paddles up the inside and sits 20 yards further up the reef and 20 foot inside...needless to say we are thinking the old boy has lost his ****...a bomb comes through two kicks and he's away under the lip late, sticks the arm in up to the shoulder, gets slotted so deep and then spat out way down the line it was one of the most rediculous barrels I have seen...he then does that another 20 times before paddling back to the boat without saying a word....

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Tux said...
My old man was a kneelo before his knees carked it so I have a bit of a soft spot for them....my old man was classic we thought he couldn't surf for **** because he never really came out much when it was marginal...anyway it gets solid probably 8-10ft cranking mysto right hand reef and the old boy trots over on the kneelo in his diving wetsuit paddles up the inside and sits 20 yards further up the reef and 20 foot inside...needless to say we are thinking the old boy has lost his ****...a bomb comes through two kicks and he's away under the lip late, sticks the arm in up to the shoulder, gets slotted so deep and then spat out way down the line it was one of the most rediculous barrels I have seen...he then does that another 20 times before paddling back to the boat without saying a word....

Tux that is a cool story mate I take everything to the beach with me in my ute L/board,666,kboards,dive gear and camera,handplane,speargun I am goin in no matter what one kneelo I see at The Pass sits deep against the rocks gets his share in an hour or so then just drifts off he is an old guy his board is waxed and he wears bits of old wetsuit for kneepads no flippers and is better to watch thean 80% of the other surf craft out there

cheers for the info smicko mac you can get fecked and tux...im not aiming at that level...but yeh i want some deep straddie barrels so you have summed it up mate. plus that was a super cool story about your dad
part of my birthday gig is that my son and i are going to do board shaping course through shapers and we both want to build a board together,a kneelo for me to start and longboard for the lad..&ft hahaha.
boofy mate,give us a call because you know im already keen as. i will be surfing all this week except wed which looks like a 20 hour day for me.
so to all you talented bastards that have proven your skills,dont laugh at me

geez Mac looks like you need a moderator, a kneelo topic in the LB, encouraged by one of your "regulars", must be horrific for you I think a system like Apartheid should be applied to the "greenroom", but wait a minute, kneelos see more of the greenroom than most LB's, so theoretically it's all good Mac, have you ever given it a go? with flippers on it's actually a pretty good quad workout, might give you a reason!

^^^bakesy that is gold

Chrispy WILL pay.

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bakesy said...
geez Mac looks like you need a moderator, a kneelo topic in the LB, encouraged by one of your "regulars", must be horrific for you I think a system like Apartheid should be applied to the "greenroom", but wait a minute, kneelos see more of the greenroom than most LB's, so theoretically it's all good Mac, have you ever given it a go? with flippers on it's actually a pretty good quad workout, might give you a reason!

I'll pay your post nice work

Chrispy is still going to pay.

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62mac said...
Oh dear we have issues.

Maybe they should put a call out for 20 people so they can start there own room

Nah - bring it on in here I say - I am looking forward to this thread developing further.

Tux - super story that one!!

hmmm, mac, whats going on here.


i tell you it's the thin edge of the wedge.


and to think i was worried about a photo of my 'racing mals'



i'll come back next week, hopefully this is gone by then haha

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laceys lane said...
hmmm, mac, whats going on here.


i tell you it's the thin edge of the wedge.


and to think i was worried about a photo of my 'racing mals'



i'll come back next week, hopefully this is gone by then haha

have you not caused enough trouble with your heathen bro's in the floor below...i love you lacey

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chrispychru said...

laceys lane said...
hmmm, mac, whats going on here.


i tell you it's the thin edge of the wedge.


and to think i was worried about a photo of my 'racing mals'



i'll come back next week, hopefully this is gone by then haha

have you not caused enough trouble with your heathen bro's in the floor below...i love you lacey

mate that lyn guy pm' ed me asked me to post something. he's one of the guys that run the aus. longboard titles.

bloody hell,i copped stick for and i don't even comp surf

Ride them all I say,short,long,on ya knees and use a paddle if you must,enjoy the ocean just don't let those stand up guy's take control they have no idea.

Why?they have no direction at all,no,one controlling body they can't even make a call on board length,ride off the back of longboard comps and complain,no wonder the longboard organisers are dropping them off the comps next year.

Lacey your a brave man sticking your head out there for the good of sweeperland,as Makaha once said,bloody pioneers get shot every time.

Your a good man Lacey just remember to duck

hey mac remember we went for a surf at lm when that comp was on. i was surfing the bullet 12'6. and later we want to go for a look and get sausage sanga.

i ran into big sean. he remembered me from the mal functions.

he said sorry mate but we can't score you, you had a paddle. funny as.

he's a good bloke and obviously knows his stuff.


i think that was the beginnings of you getting a cruiser

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Indodreaming said...
I hope this doesnt come across as to dumb a question but for a kneelo is there a difference going left or right ?

In body surfing I can go ok going right but feels weird and I end up down the bottom of the wave. Going left can stay up higher, get more speed etc and feels so much better.

Know exactly what you mean, I can make seemingly impossible tubes going left but get axed regularly going right. Strangely it's the opposite with reos, I struggle going left but don't mind burying a bit of rail going right.
And I'm the same as you when body bashing.

True mate he is a good guy,oh course he would remember you,the guru on fins,the stand up designer,of course your up there mate,well known by all.

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62mac said...
True mate he is a good guy,oh course he would remember you,the guru on fins,the stand up designer,of course your up there mate,well known by all.

hmm, i asked for that





i believe you came very close to getting a________ that day

I will get one,I've got the longboard quiver sorted and very happy with all the boards that's why the Splice is having a makeover bloody still not done 5 weeks without it boy I'm missing it.

Lacey killing people with kindness is good,beats the nasty way

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62mac said...
True mate he is a good guy,oh course he would remember you,the guru on fins,the stand up designer,of course your up there mate,well known by all.

hmm, i asked for that





i believe you came very close to getting a___Root_____ that day

fixed it .