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doggie
doggie

WA

15849 posts

14 Jul 2012 1:18pm
SP
SP

SP

10982 posts

14 Jul 2012 1:27pm

Yep sad news just read the article in the paper..
Ted the Kiwi
Ted the Kiwi

NSW

14256 posts

14 Jul 2012 4:01pm
Crap news. 5 fatals in 10 months. RIP and thoughts to the family and friends. Very sad day for some.
62mac
62mac

WA

24860 posts

14 Jul 2012 2:21pm
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Ted the Kiwi said...

Crap news. 5 fatals in 10 months. RIP and thoughts to the family and friends. Very sad day for some.


yep
Scotty88
Scotty88

4214 posts

14 Jul 2012 2:45pm
Does anybody know why WA gets more shark attacks then east coast ?
laceys lane
laceys lane

QLD

19804 posts

14 Jul 2012 5:01pm
sad news. something's going on around that area
SP
SP

SP

10982 posts

14 Jul 2012 3:05pm
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Scotty88 said...

Does anybody know why WA gets more shark attacks then east coast ?


No idea mate but I was wondering that myself and found this site, it's looks it could be a fairly interesting reasearch program.


http://whitetag.com.au/index.php?route=information/information&information_id=8

Edit here's a story from Swellnet 2 about it

www.swellnet.com.au/news/3071-shark-tagging-in-the-southern-ocean


Late last year the documentary Shark Harbour played on Australian television. The documentary makers followed a Sydney-based research team who were responding to a surge in local shark attacks. To gain information the researchers tagged and followed 25 Bull Sharks in Sydney Harbour. A common response to the show, both in the comments to the Shark Harbour website and also here on Swellnet, was surprise at the number of sharks swimming in popular waterways. Surprise because a common belief is that sharks and humans can't mix together. That any encounter leads to an attack.

Such a view fits with the popular understanding of sharks as irrational animals; mindless killing machines with behaviour that's impossible to predict. It's ironic then that this superficial understanding of sharks manifests itself as irrational behaviour in humans. Little wonder so many viewers of Shark Harbour were surprised - sharks and humans had been safely co-existing for a long time without any of us being aware of it!

The study of sharks and their behaviour is a burgeoning field. Relatively little is known yet there is a lot to be gained from a more accurate understanding of their behaviour. Recently a research team set sail from Port Lincoln, South Australia, with the goal of adding to the bank of knowledge. The team included scientists, Dr Rachel Robbins and Andrew Fox from the Fox Foundation, marine biologist Dr Will Robbins, and Russ Bradford from the CSIRO. Also aboard were a film team plus Kent Stannard of Whitetag, and lastly, Wayne Lynch and his son, Jarrah, both ambassadors of Kent's not-for-profit environmental program, Tag For Life. Wayne is the subject of an upcoming film and the research trip will be one component of it.

Wayne and Jarrah were more than just token surfers, however. Both were actively involved in the research and data collection which increased their own understanding of how shark science is performed. Wayne and Jarrah's involvement served a twin purpose: Of all ocean users surfers have one of the highest incidents of shark encounters, so having surfers involved in a research program helps the scientists while the benefits of gained knowledge ultimately flow back to us - surfers.

Much of the information we do know about sharks is gleaned from acoustic listening devices. On trips such as the one undertaken scientists apply tags to selected sharks. When the sharks move within range of listening stations they are detected and the data recorded. In Australia the listening devices form a network that identifies sharks and records their relevant information. The information helps shark scientists determine residency times and seasonal abundance patterns that form the basis for population modelling. Also, by plotting paths and frequencies scientists can ascertain types of shark behaviour.

Many different research agencies have placed listening devices around Australia and coordination of the information received is achieved through a national group based in Sydney known as AATAMS (Australian Animal Tracking and Monitoring System). AATAMS is also partnered with a global network that all use the same receivers to form a comprehensive network of tagged animals. Although researchers and agencies maintain their own smaller networks the information is shared co-operatively between agencies world wide.

In December 2011 a series of listening devices were deployed at four of the sites to be visited on this trip. One of the primary purposes of this trip was to revisit those sites and retrieve the data from the devices.

Taking advantage of calm weather the team's first stop was Dangerous Reef in Spencer Gulf. The aptly named Dangerous Reef is where most of the underwater sequences for Jaws were filmed, yet despite its infamy the team didn't see any sharks there. Curiously no research work had been done at Dangerous Reef for ten years yet it was one of the sites where a listening device was dropped in 2011. The scientists were keen to retrieve and download the data.

After the trip they found that a 5 metre white shark nicknamed Noah (scientists: clever folk, not always creative) had been detected. Noah was tagged in 2008 at North Neptune Island where he has been frequently detected since. The team found it interesting that he swam up the gulf to Dangerous Reef but what was far more interesting was that he was the only tagged white shark detected.

The simple explanation of science is that it is a search for answers, yet the process always begins by asking good questions. In this instance the question 'why was only one shark detected when more were expected?' will have to be suitably framed and ventured.

The next stop was Liguanea Island, south of Fishery Beach near Port Lincoln, to retrieve listening stations and to tag sharks. Four sharks were seen and tagged at Liguanea. The region had never previously been worked by researchers though it's thought to be on the 'shark highway' leading up the west coast of South Australia. For this reason Liguanea has become very important to researchers for the information it may hold. It is also very near to where the abalone diver Peter Clarkson disappeared last year.

After Liguanea the team moved south to the Neptune Islands. At North Neptune Island the team redeployed a CSIRO VR4 listening receiver. The VR4 is a more advanced unit than the other listening devices retrieved on the trip. It communicates directly via satellite to tell researchers when a tagged shark is present. This device was first deployed at North Neptune Island in 2008 as part of a joint project between CSIRO and the Western Australian Department of Fisheries and was the first of its type. It is similar to the models currently in use off Perth's metropolitan beaches (and which detected a five metre shark off Cottesloe last week).

Compatibility between tags and listening devices is essential due to the migration of sharks. The tags put in sharks in South Australia can be detected by the receivers in Western Australia, and in fact they have been many times.

At North Neptune the team saw two sharks and tagged one. At South Neptune Island they attempted to retrieve acoustic listening stations but the their run of good weather was over and they had to abandon their plans in the face of an increasing south-west swell and strong southwest winds. The team were forced to find shelter in the lee side of the island. Still, they saw two sharks and again tagged one.

From South Neptune Island the team motored back to the shelter of Port Lincoln with the majority of their tasks completed. A successful mission, although quite what they've achieved isn't yet known. For now it is up to the scientists to assess and analyse the information they've retrieved - to crunch the data, so to speak - before their findings can be considered another deposit in the growing bank of shark knowledge.
Tassiedevel
Tassiedevel

TAS

2249 posts

14 Jul 2012 6:18pm
Interesting stuff SP . Truly amazing how far those tagged sharks travelled up the coast .

Very sad news from WA
jbshack
jbshack

WA

6913 posts

14 Jul 2012 4:37pm
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62mac said...

Ted the Kiwi said...

Crap news. 5 fatals in 10 months. RIP and thoughts to the family and friends. Very sad day for some.


yep


I don't think its 5 deaths in 10 months. More like 5 attacks. But still too high.

The biggest thing i see is seals are every where these days. I normally don't have a surf with out seeing one so i guess the food source is now in the area. Of Rottnest there has been a swelling from a few sightings to now over 50 resident NZ fur seals all year round and numbers growing.

I really feel for the young guys family and for those on the beach. Its hard not to take it too personal when it could have just as easily been myself
SP
SP

SP

10982 posts

14 Jul 2012 4:48pm
4+1 = 5

www.news.com.au/national/unprecedented-number-of-shark-attacks-wa-deemed-worlds-deadliest/news-story/afcf7a07ba06b49113e908cd0c1b6dac


Yeah Tassie, It is interesting, one of the tagging site is only an hour or so north of here and they think there is a nursery for them around Stockton. But we seem not to have to many attacks, and thankfully i cant remeber a death but having said that there's been one or two for the last few years between Sydney and here. not all whites but a definite increase in activity, we used to surf before the sun came up And usually half hour after, don't do it so much now.

One thing I've noticed around here is when they bought the pro fishing licenses on some of our estuaries back this meant there is more baitfish and this had lead to changes in the fish system, we kpnow get salmon and stuff where we didn't before.


Oops GF is at the door supposed to be going out I'll continue later..
jbshack
jbshack

WA

6913 posts

14 Jul 2012 4:56pm
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SP said...

4+1 = 5



Stand corrected sadly
sepirott
sepirott

NSW

336 posts

14 Jul 2012 7:45pm
Very sad news and so traumatizing for all involved. I am sure the surfing fraternity's best wishes go out to the family. Man it is just getting crazy out there!
Tassiedevel
Tassiedevel

TAS

2249 posts

14 Jul 2012 7:48pm
Just saw the report on the news pretty horrific stuff .seems a young bloke on a jet ski picked up the victims mate and then attempted to grab the attack victim until the shark turned and started to attack his jet ski . Young bloke reckons he is never surfing again , deserves a medal for bravery .Sounds like a big shark talking 4-5 meters .
BulldogPup
BulldogPup

6657 posts

14 Jul 2012 6:21pm
RIP mate
stuk
stuk

NSW

894 posts

14 Jul 2012 11:09pm
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SP said...

4+1 = 5

www.news.com.au/national/unprecedented-number-of-shark-attacks-wa-deemed-worlds-deadliest/news-story/afcf7a07ba06b49113e908cd0c1b6dac


Yeah Tassie, It is interesting, one of the tagging site is only an hour or so north of here and they think there is a nursery for them around Stockton. But we seem not to have to many attacks, and thankfully i cant remeber a death but having said that there's been one or two for the last few years between Sydney and here. not all whites but a definite increase in activity, we used to surf before the sun came up And usually half hour after, don't do it so much now.

One thing I've noticed around here is when they bought the pro fishing licenses on some of our estuaries back this meant there is more baitfish and this had lead to changes in the fish system, we kpnow get salmon and stuff where we didn't before.


Oops GF is at the door supposed to be going out I'll continue later..


Dunno if your saw the doco a few years back about the blokes beach fishing for juvenile white pointers at Stockton beach. They had seats with belts rigged onto the bullbars of their 4wd just like they do it with deep water marlin fishing and they would reel them in through the breakers.
fester
fester

WA

350 posts

15 Jul 2012 2:23am
I know Ben very well, loved the ocean & his trade.
RIP mate, catch a wave for me up there.
SP
SP

SP

10982 posts

15 Jul 2012 9:41am
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stuk said...

SP said...

4+1 = 5

www.news.com.au/national/unprecedented-number-of-shark-attacks-wa-deemed-worlds-deadliest/news-story/afcf7a07ba06b49113e908cd0c1b6dac


Yeah Tassie, It is interesting, one of the tagging site is only an hour or so north of here and they think there is a nursery for them around Stockton. But we seem not to have to many attacks, and thankfully i cant remeber a death but having said that there's been one or two for the last few years between Sydney and here. not all whites but a definite increase in activity, we used to surf before the sun came up And usually half hour after, don't do it so much now.

One thing I've noticed around here is when they bought the pro fishing licenses on some of our estuaries back this meant there is more baitfish and this had lead to changes in the fish system, we kpnow get salmon and stuff where we didn't before.


Oops GF is at the door supposed to be going out I'll continue later..


Dunno if your saw the doco a few years back about the blokes beach fishing for juvenile white pointers at Stockton beach. They had seats with belts rigged onto the bullbars of their 4wd just like they do it with deep water marlin fishing and they would reel them in through the breakers.



Yeah I saw it, I actually posted up a clip in another topic the other month. I'll see if I can find it again.


Thoughts are with Fester, sad sad day for all surfers.
hiho
hiho

WA

65 posts

15 Jul 2012 11:51am
Surfed Wedge regularly for the last 10 years. Heard stories - but never personally seen a problem.

Surfed that particular spot 4 times in the last 2 months and although the thought is always in the back of your mind, just being out there surfing has always made any fear very secondary. RIP Ben.

Innocence lost for Wedge now thanks to you 'Brutus'.

Now, find it and kill it - it'll be back no ifs or buts.

Love and Peace to all
SP
SP

SP

10982 posts

15 Jul 2012 6:08pm
+1^^^

I was so rattled by that news story....
Ted the Kiwi
Ted the Kiwi

NSW

14256 posts

15 Jul 2012 8:18pm
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Simondo said...

Even though that comment was a little too soon, in truth I think I have offended the 7S riders/lovers!


Not me Simondo - I snapped mine
weiry
weiry

QLD

5396 posts

16 Jul 2012 7:40am
sad news that

I'm thinking Surfers & West Aussies would find it hard to keep a positive mind set surrounding all these attacks.
Simondo
Simondo

VIC

8024 posts

16 Jul 2012 10:19am
I saw that too Ted. Crazy stuff!
doggie
doggie

WA

15849 posts

16 Jul 2012 8:52am
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weiry said...

sad news that

I'm thinking Surfers & West Aussies would find it hard to keep a positive mind set surrounding all these attacks.


Its not easy
62mac
62mac

WA

24860 posts

16 Jul 2012 9:18am
I'd be staying clear of those remote places for a while or all together,hey doggie do they have a chopper that does flight overs like we do here
doggie
doggie

WA

15849 posts

16 Jul 2012 9:55am
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62mac said...

I'd be staying clear of those remote places for a while or all together,hey doggie do they have a chopper that does flight overs like we do here


Only metro, this place is 150kms north.

I took this pic and its the exact spot from the last attack

GPA
GPA

GPA

WA

2529 posts

16 Jul 2012 9:55am
It's not just the remote places Mac - in the past couple of weeks there have been 2 or 3 close calls at the more popular metro beaches - guy chased out of the water at Trigg, and a surf-ski bitten in half at Mullaloo...

Choppers and small planes patrol the summer months only.

Must say I am quite wary about it all... my mates' the same.
62mac
62mac

WA

24860 posts

16 Jul 2012 10:17am
Can't blame you at all,sometime ago I was sitting out the back chatting to the old clubbie and asked how many sharks do they catch in the nets about 100 mtrs out from us,he said mate they not nets but drum lines.All those years I always believed they were nets.
smicko
smicko

WA

2503 posts

16 Jul 2012 10:56am
Yeah it's pretty sobering and the scary part is that the next few months are traditionally the "bad" ones as far as Whites go.

It's hard to imagine it could get any worse than it's been all year, but then you check the stats and there was three deaths in six weeks last spring. And with the close encounters that have happened over the last couple of weeks I reckon I've timed the exotoses surgery just about right.

The funny thing about this attack is that this wave is the one I feel safest at up there, crystal clear shallow water, it must've lined Ben up from some distance as their typical sneak attack just wouldn't work there. I've spent a hell of a lot of time in the water there over the last couple of years and seen a couple of small sharks.

Not so for other waves in the area, has been a hell of a lot of solid bronzies around. Must say I've been expecting something like this up there for a while, especially since that big sea lion was washed up a bit south of here in Jan/Feb this year. Just not at this wave.


jbshack
jbshack

WA

6913 posts

16 Jul 2012 12:20pm
Might be time to perfect the 666 surfing

I feel real guilty using the grinning smillie
Ted the Kiwi
Ted the Kiwi

NSW

14256 posts

16 Jul 2012 2:46pm
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jbshack said...

Might be time to perfect the 666 surfing

I feel real guilty using the grinning smillie


They will still get you if they want to - from last week in Perth





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