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Sandsy1 > 9 months ago, 3 Sep 2015

laceys lane

QLD

19804 posts

4 Sep 2015 5:12pm

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jbshack said...

laceys lane said..
As us experts say you have more chance of being struck by lightning.

But hell,dont go in a dusk

Dont go in at dawn

Dont go in if the water is murky

Dont go in if it raining

Dont go in river mouths

Dont go in reefs

Dont go in whale season

dont go in fish season

Dont go in full moon

Dont wee in the water

Dont bleed in the water.

however I cant stress enough you have nothing to be concerned about.

enjoy your surfing by following these simple easy to adhere to rules.

more chance of being struck be lightning

More chance of dyeing just surfing

www.abc.net.au/news/2015-09-03/another-australian-surfer-dies-in-indonesia-police-say/6747634

More like more chances of dying doing stupid things on the p1ss

So you saw a surfer mentioned and linked it to him surfing.

Selective reading

Al G

NSW

7704 posts

4 Sep 2015 5:39pm

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Cobra said..

MichaelR said..

laceys lane said...

No cages for starters. Dumbest thing ever

If a shark hangs around and menaces the bullet.

It it attacks someone no mucking for 2 days thinking about it.

Treat them like dog attacks

More deterrent research. Something that they wont go near but safe to them and everything else ie other marine life, would be the ultimate

I read an article recently stating that cage diving for sharks is teaching them that where ever there is a boat, there is food, food in the form of a human. The sharks travel very long distances along our coasts and it wouldn't be unreasonable to think that some of the sharks around the east have been in a situation where they've been baited to come up to a cage. When a cage diver is in the water, they have a wetsuit on, they smell the same as us on a surfboard. Pretty simple to put the two together, even for a pre-historic eating machine like a shark.

Perhaps being on a 10 Foot longboard is a bit of a deterrent, it may make us look almost as big as them, and therefore a bit more of a threat, unlike a short boarder or a biscuit.....

well this latest attack blows that theory out of the water.

Not wrong Cobra,he was on a 20 foot surf ski and it bumped him off it then bit him

laceys lane

QLD

19804 posts

4 Sep 2015 6:00pm

this is happening almost weekly atm

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not good

jbshack

6913 posts

4 Sep 2015 4:04pm

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laceys lane said..

jbshack said...

More chance of dyeing just surfing

www.abc.net.au/news/2015-09-03/another-australian-surfer-dies-in-indonesia-police-say/6747634

More like more chances of dying doing stupid things on the p1ss

So you saw a surfer mentioned and linked it to him surfing.

Selective reading

Not to mention one hit his head falling from his surfboard

But either way, why are the loss of their lives any less a shark attack

I followed it up because i have several friends over their ATM, But was surprised at the lack of it being news worthy compared to a shark bite..

Al G

NSW

7704 posts

4 Sep 2015 6:23pm

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laceys lane said..
this is happening almost weekly atm

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not good

True Lace,I've been surfing for over 40 years and it used to be a small thought at the back of my mind when paddling out there,but that has increased to a big thought lately. how does everyone else feel about this

climber

NSW

1125 posts

4 Sep 2015 6:28pm

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Al G said..

laceys lane said..
this is happening almost weekly atm

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not good

True Lace,I've been surfing for over 40 years and it used to be a small thought at the back of my mind when paddling out there,but that has increased to a big thought lately.I don't know how everyone else feels about this

Not been surfing that long , but been in water that long..yep used to be a small thought and few minutes of jitters till settled in ..now....

, in my friggin mind all the time...went fishing yesterday afternoon and had one fish with a bite mark and them another got halved.

SP

10982 posts

4 Sep 2015 4:35pm

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climber said...

Al G said..

laceys lane said..
this is happening almost weekly atm

.

not good

Not been surfing that long , but been in water that long..yep used to be a small thought and few minutes of jitters till settled in ..now....

, in my friggin mind all the time...went fishing yesterday afternoon and had one fish with a bite mark and them another got halved.

Fark... At lighthouse?

I'm in the same boat, never thought about it but now it's a conscious thought before you go out and even changed the times I surf.

Good points above. My thoughts are you can't control the environment so something else is needed, like a repellent or surf safe.

Why is ther more? No idea, warm currents closer to shore, lots of bait.. I don't really know.

And Thoughts are with old mate who got bitten today.

MickPC

8266 posts

4 Sep 2015 5:25pm

Heard you E coasters had another attck...I hope it sways people into some kind of sensible action...things are getting farking ridiculous

Surf69

883 posts

5 Sep 2015 1:31pm

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Ricardo1709 said..

Surf69 said..

obct said..
I have no opinions either way, I don’t know who to believe, the people who say there a too many or the people who say there are not enough, and I’m certain that neither party will ever concede that the other may have a point.

But like MR, I do feel strongly about one thing, we should not go out of our way to interact with these creatures on any level, other than to fulfil the need for basic scientific data.

Running a commercial enterprise to take people out to bait these creatures in various parts of the world, for the delight of shipboard passengers or caged divers, under the guise of increasing our understanding of them, does not pass muster in terms of “The scientific method”.

We may feel altruistic about it, but I’m sure the wild animals don’t see it that way.

OBCT
Dont believe people... Problem with our world today is that people take a stance on a variety of Issues especially politics based on who they like or dislike, what people tell them or what they "chose" to believe, what the media may tell basically, a range of information that is someone elses point of view or propaganda that is being pushed with some momentum. All media will deliver a biased point of view for or against everything and anything. Unfortunately some people believe they are being given well balanced facts, which is rarely the case.

To really understand the issues particularly those associated with politics and in this case the natural environment, the only real way to make a positive contribution that is going to make a difference of substancial value is to understand the facts by reviewing the available reasearch, then understanding why that ressearch has been commisioned and who by. So its actually quite time consuming and people as a rash generalisation cant be stuffed and therefore end up taking on the opinions off someone else who they beelieve should know wwhat the heck they are talking about - There lies the problem

James Cook University, UWA, CSIRO and Respected Shark research Biologist, have really good and accurate data and are constantly trying to improve this. CSIRO arent allowed to enter into dialogue and its politically incorrrect ffor universitys to do so, however having said that the information is aviaalable from them to review....it just takes time :(

I have a certain opinion based on my understanding and it's sumed up by one word " Sustainability " what ever we do to manage the Shark Human interaction needs to be sustainable. Regardless what we do it needs to be PROVEN to be sustainable, so before we take any action we neeed to understand.

We should not cause an imballance to marine ecosystems, like we have with other eco-systems with the introduction of Cane Toads as an example. Removing one species could result in an explosion of another spiecies that could result in catasrophic impacts to our world?

One thing we should not base our actions on is fear or mis-understanding. As a Sandgroper i think its great that the authoritiees in NSW are taking a rational approach and trying to understand before reacting with exspensive, inefective and pointless management techniques. Regrdless of how they chose to move forward atleast the effort appears to be going into trying to make a rational decision based on research and feed back.

I liken the secanrio to people who vote for an independant or minor party as they dont want to vote Labour or liberal when infact there Vote will go to either Labour or Liberal but they wouldnt know which one its going to.

Dont trust people - trust a review of available facts - your decision is then educated regardlesss of what it is.

Sorry

Rant over.

I think we caused an imbalance to marine ecosystems a long long time ago through overfishing which has resulted in less natural food for sharks and maybe why they are coming in closer more frequently,the food chain in the oceans is way out of kilter there is nothing sustainable in the way we mass harvest certain species of fish and other marine life and great whites have been protected and also encouraged to come closer in by tuna farms,cage diving and a decrease in fish stocks in general.if you want to see how unbalanced the marine ecosystem is theres a great yet disappointing dvd called Fishing which illustrates it

Agreed.

Surf69

883 posts

5 Sep 2015 1:52pm

Im fortunate enough to get plenty of Solo sessions in and once these sessions were pretty damn exciting. All you would hear is birds and waves and occasional splashing of fish or sea birds. And we are used to seeing sharks ( mainly Bronzys) and have been for years. Now surfing alone comes with a level of Anxiety, every shadow or weed bank gets your immediate attention.

Why?, for us down here where we are, nothings really changed. The awareness, and thoughts are highlighted with the activity of the subject. More looking, more seeing , more reporting. Something like the poor bloke who had his foot mauled has gone national on the news. 10 years ago it would have been in the local rag and thats it.

My Mrs was bitten on the foot years ago by a shark, no big deal not a big thing at the time. She was OK, freaked her out, that didnt even make local news other than community gossip. If it happened today it would be news headlines.

We had a young bloke killed spear fishing here earlier in the year and plenty that i know on the East coast never heard about it. If it happened this week it would be international news.

Having said that, there clearly an increase in these types of events, from what ive seen it looks to be inline with whale migration and El Nina weather pending when you look back at other spikes in stats.....but thats a whole'nother story LOL

laceys lane

QLD

19804 posts

5 Sep 2015 4:30pm

I love it when being mauled by a shark is put into facts and figures and rationalized as no biggie

One way to deal with it I suppose

Cobra

9106 posts

5 Sep 2015 3:04pm

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laceys lane said..
I love it when being mauled by a shark is put into facts and figures and rationalized as no biggie

One way to deal with it I suppose

I wonder if it would be a different story if you were missing both legs or your cock and balls, just saying

Surf69

883 posts

5 Sep 2015 3:22pm

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laceys lane said..
I love it when being mauled by a shark is put into facts and figures and rationalized as no biggie

One way to deal with it I suppose

Yeah its a biggie. But its a perspective thing is all im saying.

3 people are dead today as a result of driving on Australian roads.
probably 6 from Drug Overdose
How many people are talking about that? IS that more acceptable to us? Getting bitten by a shark and surviving would be preferable to the families concerned i reckon.

laceys lane

QLD

19804 posts

5 Sep 2015 6:15pm

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Surf69 said..

laceys lane said..
I love it when being mauled by a shark is put into facts and figures and rationalized as no biggie

One way to deal with it I suppose

yes I understand. no one is saying its a good thing - any death.

I personally cant believe anybody in this country has to be homeless

but being mauled by any animal is right up there with being burnt alive . the sheer primal terror.

I cant understand how you guys cant see that- perspective and all

cheers

Surf69

883 posts

5 Sep 2015 8:32pm

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laceys lane said..

Surf69 said..

laceys lane said..
I love it when being mauled by a shark is put into facts and figures and rationalized as no biggie

One way to deal with it I suppose

Agreed ABSOLUTELY unequivocaly one of THE most terrifying experiences you could possibly imagine.

jfunk

QLD

255 posts

8 Sep 2015 8:20am

Another attack, NSW central coast Shelley beach a few minutes ago.

laceys lane

QLD

19804 posts

8 Sep 2015 8:31am

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Jfunk said..
Another attack, NSW central coast Shelley beach a few minutes ago.

wondering then something a bit more a tagging program is going to be done.

as stated before. nearly once a week at the moment.

Ted the Kiwi

NSW

14256 posts

8 Sep 2015 9:25am

Lucky man

www.9news.com.au/national/reports-shark-attack-on-nsw-central-coast/1987d7cb-7adc-486f-8e29-5a24ba80c54d

Indodreaming

379 posts

8 Sep 2015 7:45am

Theory 1 - over fishing is bringing them closer to shore looking for scarce food.

Theory 2 - Australia has done a better job of managing our fish stocks so more are gravitating to our coastline

Theory 3 - Shark cage diving is creating a learned process of association of people and food

Theory 4 - More old sharks who in weak state find humans an easy target

Theory 5 - Its the young sharks moving into adulthood who no longer associate humans as danger but as food.

Theory 6 - Increased whales therefore more food and more sharks

I have heard all of the above from different sources. Some of the fatal attacks in WA tossed all rules about water conditions and time of day out the door.

I think urgently we need a lot more tagging to understand are these a few rogue sharks and therefore culling becomes a solution or is it a major spike in numbers in which case where would a cull end.

Was out at dusk yesterday and was happy to be on 9ft of board. Also for some reason wanted to be second last one in not the last.

wavemaniac

469 posts

8 Sep 2015 8:20am

SO this mornings bite is the 14th in NSW waters this calender year.....GWs have been indicated as the main attackers....back in 1988 Vic Hyslop WARNED that this would happen once they bred up....

My opinion is, we now have enough Gws....take the protection off them!

Sandsy1

NSW

814 posts

8 Sep 2015 10:41am

Hi all. I'm sitting in my home office and the helicopter is buzzing over North Shelly, having a look around. The crew that were out there this morning are regulars (short boarders). The attack was close to shore and luckily only scraped him. When I started this discussion, I didn't think that a week later I would be talking about a local attack.
My attitude is definitely changing, toward culling. A good mate and I were discussing this attack this morning and he knows a few of the local professional fisho's and they go very quiet when the subject of fish stocks being removed from the ocean comes up.
There is obviously less food and more sharks! That is not good for us!

Surf69

883 posts

8 Sep 2015 11:09am

Dude that was bitten on the hand this morning at Shelly... that was a bull shark. Their numbers could be increasing to a point where mangement is required, however that aint as easy as it sounds for those critters

Fear and ignorance shouldnt be the KPI's for action. Culling of a species may be required but you need to understand and demonstrate why thats the case before acting on it. Unfortunately many of those who support a culling or similar are ccompletely oblivious to the ramifications that come with that in the long term. Understanddable irratinoal thought is a by product of fear.

Its clear something has to be done, but the only way to solve a problem is to understand it first, identify what the problem is, then you can work out how to solve it.

Over fishing key areas by super trawlers and the like is one thing that clearly needs to stop. Inital research that im privy to appears to identify links between massive fishing enterprises impacting on feed stocks of (Great White Sharks in this case ) the S & SE tips of the Australian continental shelf off the East Coast of Australia, this is also inline with the Whale Migration highways and consequently the timing of fishing v's Whale and Salmon Movements and Shark v's Human occurences along the Eastern Sea Board - Eg - Spots where Sharks get a feed ( Fish Stocks being pillaged), as they travel north they get bugger all food Traditional Migaration roots have less fish due to being fished out to lower numbers, travel further north get hungrier, start looking to taste other ti-bits to see if its eatable?

From what i hear this is paintiung a real clear picture but the research and its review takes ages, then peer review wwhere other sscientist get to hook in and all say , "Yep this is the problem" or "No these people are out there!"

So whilst theres some good detail comming through, its science and it takes time and money and then theres the impacts the outcome has on someone (I.e - in this Case major Commercial Mega Fisherie ) has to sstop what they are doing, which apparently they sshoulddnt bee doing anyway but we just dont enforce our law so far away as it cossts thee tax payer too much.

Theres a chance the Fed Govt may throw more at this reserch as it apppears to have legs but its far from conclusive, but makes sense to me.

Fix that, and people will stop being mauled.

Or you could just kill ****?

climber

NSW

1125 posts

8 Sep 2015 1:20pm

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SP said..

climber said...

Al G said..

laceys lane said..
this is happening almost weekly atm

.

not good

Not been surfing that long , but been in water that long..yep used to be a small thought and few minutes of jitters till settled in ..now....

, in my friggin mind all the time...went fishing yesterday afternoon and had one fish with a bite mark and them another got halved.

Sorry SP....missed your post in regards to me fishing at Lighthouse Beach Port Mac.....yes that is where I have had to many fish with friggin bite marks in them.I had a coffee there this morning at the surf club and the place is deserted. Spoke at length with Cheryl who owns the cafe (lease) and business has all but dried up since the event two weeks ago....saw some one swim for the first time today... very lonely though.
Fished there last night again, lots of bait and good size tailor, then this time I saw what halved my fish.

...won't be surfing it for a while. Big and grey with a vertical tail.

SP

10982 posts

8 Sep 2015 11:47am

Wow, it is sharky as along the whole coast.

MickPC

8266 posts

8 Sep 2015 2:16pm

Shame you couldn't rig up to catch the bugger climber.

bazell

NSW

120 posts

8 Sep 2015 6:32pm

It seems to me its a numbers game. A certain amount of people have to be mauled or killed before something is done and we get rid of a number of sharks! What those numbers are I don't know but I think we have passed it. Its just plain stupid IMHO. We have stopped hunting them, numbers are up now they are hunting us. Governments don't want to upset the conservationists (number of votes) but want to be seen to be doing something and throw a pitiful amount of money into more research.

Short term we have to make the waters as safe as possible by removing the danger. There is always risk but we can reduce it.
Do the research and find a better solution but action is required now!

laceys lane

QLD

19804 posts

8 Sep 2015 6:39pm

true- research isn't going to help the bloke who gets attacked or dies next week

MickPC

8266 posts

8 Sep 2015 4:48pm

Totally agree, they protect a species based on fisherman saying we're not seeing as many these days. Numbers escalate & the protection isn't lifted coz those making money from them have duped Joe Bogan Public they're saving the environment. Marine biologists need more study grants to remain in their chosen profession, conversationalists are chasing the lucrative charity coin & cage diving tourism is raking it in...yep the only way to reduce the risk is by reducing numbers...You hear all kinds of excuses these days for the huge increase in attacks like an increase of bait fish, then others say they're attacking coz our waters are overfished ect ect BS BS...there are simply a lot more of them, they have recovered from their supposed endangerment & its time to lift their protection.

Not only has their protection increased their numbers, it has changed their behavior. Talk to an old commercial fisherman about how they used to carry guns on their boats & what they did when they saw a big shark. You didn't get sharks circling boats & biting props in the good old no BS days. Sharks like that got shot.

smh

NSW

7269 posts

8 Sep 2015 6:48pm

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SP said..
Wow, it is sharky as along the whole coast.

Seems to be. I'm at work all week but will be out there next week. Can't ever remember a time when theres been so many attacks.

jbshack

6913 posts

9 Sep 2015 7:51pm

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smh said..

SP said..
Wow, it is sharky as along the whole coast.

Seems to be. I'm at work all week but will be out there next week. Can't ever remember a time when theres been so many attacks.

Lets hope he is wrong..

~~https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/video/watch/29479773/more-sharks-to-come-this-summer-expert/?cmp=st#page1~~

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