All right you lot. Is it just me, or are the media over hyping the number of Sharks being a bother. I must admit, my early morning sessions are getting later, until other people arrive.
So, what's your thoughts. The non "expert" experts say that there are no, if any shark attacks where there is netting. Do the nets create some type of physical deterrent, (the sharks could just swim under them) or is it that there are heaps of surfers in the water and they are looking for something more isolated (ie Mick).
The real experts are saying that water quality has improved, bringing in the bait fish, also the great whites follow the whales up and down this time of year. So, if that is the reason there are more sharks around, why are we now having these attacks on us?
Are fish stocks down due to commercial fishing and shark numbers are up due to them not being commercially caught?
I'm open to all thoughts. It is getting a bit of a worry.

No mate it isn't hype when so many fatal attacks occur in a period of time (all over the country) - we have a problem when peeps are being taken so close to shore by freight train sized Whiteys

Our episode over here was bad enough but now it's in NSW & Qld

There are a few more sharks, but its certainly not the plague proportions (like people) that people are thinking.

There are More (People) looking and therefore more (People) seeing (Sharks).There's more chance of being killed going to the beach (by People) than being in the water (by Sharks).

Sharks are scary, people are scared so some thing should be done to deter them ( The Sharks, not the people ) from populated beaches, not kill them (The Sharks, not the People).

The greater the fear the more likely people want them removed (The Sharks, not the People)

The better we understand them (The Sharks and The people) the better we can protect them (The Sharks and The people) from the monsters (The Sharks and The people)

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Surf69 said..
There are a few more sharks, but its certainly not the plague proportions (like people) that people are thinking.

There are More (People) looking and therefore more (People) seeing (Sharks).There's more chance of being killed going to the beach (by People) than being in the water (by Sharks).

Sharks are scary, people are scared so some thing should be done to deter them ( The Sharks, not the people ) from populated beaches, not kill them (The Sharks, not the People).

The greater the fear the more likely people want them removed (The Sharks, not the People)

The better we understand them (The Sharks and The people) the better we can protect them (The Sharks and The people) from the monsters (The Sharks and The people)

I like it

Yes I agree. well said ! Personally I am terrified of the sharks (and some people ) but realise I play in their area so I need to be a sympathetic towards them and what they do as the apex predator. I am a fan of seeing some more research dollars spent n hence possible technology solutions eg Katana etc Nets seem to work at times but have significant offside impacts that I do not like. I would definitely be more in Sandys way of thinking these days if I was stil on the Central Coast.

I can only talk about my own area,we have drum lines and nets which have killed a few sharks and other non troublsum fish sadly.
On the Gold Coast 50% of businesses are tourism based so our govening body at the time passed these protection measures.
Has there been an attack here ?yes a couple of miner bites but nothing too serious like losing a limb.
I feel so much safer surfing were there are drums and nets compared to other places just around the corner.
I don't believe the media has hyped it up at all,we all know how many attacks there has been this year in NSW's.
I've said this before,a small cull would do no harm,who culls the shark in the ocean other than humans? There numbers
have increased and more attacks are likely.

I've got no problem with JB who is no expert but obviously is passionate about his view,I'm not saying he is right or wrong.
Everyones entitled to express their views,thats one good thing about a forum and part of their purpose.

Its refreshing that this and the other shark thread have been genreally taken in goodwill.

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Macaha said..


I've got no problem with JB who is no expert but obviously is passionate about his view,I'm not saying he is right or wrong.
Everyones entitled to express their views,thats one good thing about a forum and part of their purpose.

That's my point. I like the idea that we all have different theories. I am interested in all of them.
Maybe, just maybe, there is an idea out there that could work, you never know.

Lacey needs to take note of my new quiver,tail strips they work

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Macaha said...
Lacey needs to take note of my new quiver,tail strips they work

Ppffff. Your only trying to intimidate the groms who at present have it all over you

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laceys lane said..

Macaha said...
Lacey needs to take note of my new quiver,tail strips they work

Ppffff. Your only trying to intimidate the groms who at present have it all over you

You can shout me dinner and drinks for saving your arse the other day,its not what you know but who you know

No cages for starters. Dumbest thing ever

If a shark hangs around and menaces the bullet.

It it attacks someone no mucking for 2 days thinking about it.

Treat them like dog attacks

More deterrent research. Something that they wont go near but safe to them and everything else ie other marine life, would be the ultimate

of course people are going to see more sharks if there are more people in the water, in helicopters or living waterfront,

it doesn't help that certain areas may be marine parks so there is lots of food for the sharks to eat, they will have to do some sort of a cull eventually,

in most of these areas ie northern NSW, shark patrols, shark nets, more lifeguards etc are not viable due to the large amount of area to cover and the financial costs involved, for the population

if most of the general public where that concerned and knew what shark nets looked like, how long they where and how often they are actually out they, they probably wouldn't go in the water to start with

apart from culling, ideas like what katana was developing with his shark shield will more than likely be the way of the future for water sports


Jarryd

Top 4

And out the week before the GF.

Are drones an option for councils to alert the beach crowds.....Also don't know who posted the vid on Ammonium Carbonate, but if that can be packaged in an aerosol that can be worn by a surfer (like a waterbottle around the waist) then I'm loving it..it really p*ssed those sharks off big time..

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SP said..
Top 4

And out the week before the GF.

Looming

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laceys lane said...



No cages for starters. Dumbest thing ever



If a shark hangs around and menaces the bullet.



It it attacks someone no mucking for 2 days thinking about it.



Treat them like dog attacks



More deterrent research. Something that they wont go near but safe to them and everything else ie other marine life, would be the ultimate

I read an article recently stating that cage diving for sharks is teaching them that where ever there is a boat, there is food, food in the form of a human. The sharks travel very long distances along our coasts and it wouldn't be unreasonable to think that some of the sharks around the east have been in a situation where they've been baited to come up to a cage. When a cage diver is in the water, they have a wetsuit on, they smell the same as us on a surfboard. Pretty simple to put the two together, even for a pre-historic eating machine like a shark.



Perhaps being on a 10 Foot longboard is a bit of a deterrent, it may make us look almost as big as them, and therefore a bit more of a threat, unlike a short boarder or a biscuit.....

I have no opinions either way, I don’t know who to believe, the people who say there a too many or the people who say there are not enough, and I’m certain that neither party will ever concede that the other may have a point.


But like MR, I do feel strongly about one thing, we should not go out of our way to interact with these creatures on any level, other than to fulfil the need for basic scientific data.

Running a commercial enterprise to take people out to bait these creatures in various parts of the world, for the delight of shipboard passengers or caged divers, under the guise of increasing our understanding of them, does not pass muster in terms of “The scientific method”.


We may feel altruistic about it, but I’m sure the wild animals don’t see it that way.

As us experts say you have more chance of being struck by lightning.

But hell,dont go in a dusk

Dont go in at dawn

Dont go in if the water is murky


Dont go in if it raining

Dont go in river mouths

Dont go in reefs

Dont go in whale season

dont go in fish season

Dont go in full moon

Dont wee in the water

Dont bleed in the water.


however I cant stress enough you have nothing to be concerned about.


enjoy your surfing by following these simple easy to adhere to rules.



more chance of being struck be lightning

Lacey. You crack me up.

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Lacey. You on crack

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obct said..
I have no opinions either way, I don’t know who to believe, the people who say there a too many or the people who say there are not enough, and I’m certain that neither party will ever concede that the other may have a point.


But like MR, I do feel strongly about one thing, we should not go out of our way to interact with these creatures on any level, other than to fulfil the need for basic scientific data.

Running a commercial enterprise to take people out to bait these creatures in various parts of the world, for the delight of shipboard passengers or caged divers, under the guise of increasing our understanding of them, does not pass muster in terms of “The scientific method”.


We may feel altruistic about it, but I’m sure the wild animals don’t see it that way.

Well said!

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obct said..
I have no opinions either way, I don’t know who to believe, the people who say there a too many or the people who say there are not enough, and I’m certain that neither party will ever concede that the other may have a point.


But like MR, I do feel strongly about one thing, we should not go out of our way to interact with these creatures on any level, other than to fulfil the need for basic scientific data.

Running a commercial enterprise to take people out to bait these creatures in various parts of the world, for the delight of shipboard passengers or caged divers, under the guise of increasing our understanding of them, does not pass muster in terms of “The scientific method”.


We may feel altruistic about it, but I’m sure the wild animals don’t see it that way.

OBCT
Dont believe people... Problem with our world today is that people take a stance on a variety of Issues especially politics based on who they like or dislike, what people tell them or what they "chose" to believe, what the media may tell basically, a range of information that is someone elses point of view or propaganda that is being pushed with some momentum. All media will deliver a biased point of view for or against everything and anything. Unfortunately some people believe they are being given well balanced facts, which is rarely the case.

To really understand the issues particularly those associated with politics and in this case the natural environment, the only real way to make a positive contribution that is going to make a difference of substancial value is to understand the facts by reviewing the available reasearch, then understanding why that ressearch has been commisioned and who by. So its actually quite time consuming and people as a rash generalisation cant be stuffed and therefore end up taking on the opinions off someone else who they beelieve should know wwhat the heck they are talking about - There lies the problem


James Cook University, UWA, CSIRO and Respected Shark research Biologist, have really good and accurate data and are constantly trying to improve this. CSIRO arent allowed to enter into dialogue and its politically incorrrect ffor universitys to do so, however having said that the information is aviaalable from them to review....it just takes time :(

I have a certain opinion based on my understanding and it's sumed up by one word " Sustainability " what ever we do to manage the Shark Human interaction needs to be sustainable. Regardless what we do it needs to be PROVEN to be sustainable, so before we take any action we neeed to understand.

We should not cause an imballance to marine ecosystems, like we have with other eco-systems with the introduction of Cane Toads as an example. Removing one species could result in an explosion of another spiecies that could result in catasrophic impacts to our world?

One thing we should not base our actions on is fear or mis-understanding. As a Sandgroper i think its great that the authoritiees in NSW are taking a rational approach and trying to understand before reacting with exspensive, inefective and pointless management techniques. Regrdless of how they chose to move forward atleast the effort appears to be going into trying to make a rational decision based on research and feed back.

I liken the secanrio to people who vote for an independant or minor party as they dont want to vote Labour or liberal when infact there Vote will go to either Labour or Liberal but they wouldnt know which one its going to.

Dont trust people - trust a review of available facts - your decision is then educated regardlesss of what it is.

Sorry Rant over.

Another attack in NSW just happened.

www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/black-head-beach-shark-attack-man-suffers-severe-leg-injuries/news-story/ec82ba156f40ebfa2a707e3ef3928a4b

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Jfunk said..
Another attack in NSW just happened.

www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/black-head-beach-shark-attack-man-suffers-severe-leg-injuries/news-story/ec82ba156f40ebfa2a707e3ef3928a4b

Yep,just happened about an hour ago on my local beach,scary.The Westpac chopper just arrived.

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Surf69 said..

obct said..
I have no opinions either way, I don’t know who to believe, the people who say there a too many or the people who say there are not enough, and I’m certain that neither party will ever concede that the other may have a point.


But like MR, I do feel strongly about one thing, we should not go out of our way to interact with these creatures on any level, other than to fulfil the need for basic scientific data.

Running a commercial enterprise to take people out to bait these creatures in various parts of the world, for the delight of shipboard passengers or caged divers, under the guise of increasing our understanding of them, does not pass muster in terms of “The scientific method”.


We may feel altruistic about it, but I’m sure the wild animals don’t see it that way.

OBCT
Dont believe people... Problem with our world today is that people take a stance on a variety of Issues especially politics based on who they like or dislike, what people tell them or what they "chose" to believe, what the media may tell basically, a range of information that is someone elses point of view or propaganda that is being pushed with some momentum. All media will deliver a biased point of view for or against everything and anything. Unfortunately some people believe they are being given well balanced facts, which is rarely the case.

To really understand the issues particularly those associated with politics and in this case the natural environment, the only real way to make a positive contribution that is going to make a difference of substancial value is to understand the facts by reviewing the available reasearch, then understanding why that ressearch has been commisioned and who by. So its actually quite time consuming and people as a rash generalisation cant be stuffed and therefore end up taking on the opinions off someone else who they beelieve should know wwhat the heck they are talking about - There lies the problem


James Cook University, UWA, CSIRO and Respected Shark research Biologist, have really good and accurate data and are constantly trying to improve this. CSIRO arent allowed to enter into dialogue and its politically incorrrect ffor universitys to do so, however having said that the information is aviaalable from them to review....it just takes time :(

I have a certain opinion based on my understanding and it's sumed up by one word " Sustainability " what ever we do to manage the Shark Human interaction needs to be sustainable. Regardless what we do it needs to be PROVEN to be sustainable, so before we take any action we neeed to understand.

We should not cause an imballance to marine ecosystems, like we have with other eco-systems with the introduction of Cane Toads as an example. Removing one species could result in an explosion of another spiecies that could result in catasrophic impacts to our world?

One thing we should not base our actions on is fear or mis-understanding. As a Sandgroper i think its great that the authoritiees in NSW are taking a rational approach and trying to understand before reacting with exspensive, inefective and pointless management techniques. Regrdless of how they chose to move forward atleast the effort appears to be going into trying to make a rational decision based on research and feed back.

I liken the secanrio to people who vote for an independant or minor party as they dont want to vote Labour or liberal when infact there Vote will go to either Labour or Liberal but they wouldnt know which one its going to.

Dont trust people - trust a review of available facts - your decision is then educated regardlesss of what it is.

Sorry Rant over.

Scotty what did he say

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SP said..
Top 4

And out the week before the GF.

No SP NO !!

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MichaelR said..

laceys lane said...



No cages for starters. Dumbest thing ever



If a shark hangs around and menaces the bullet.



It it attacks someone no mucking for 2 days thinking about it.



Treat them like dog attacks



More deterrent research. Something that they wont go near but safe to them and everything else ie other marine life, would be the ultimate

I read an article recently stating that cage diving for sharks is teaching them that where ever there is a boat, there is food, food in the form of a human. The sharks travel very long distances along our coasts and it wouldn't be unreasonable to think that some of the sharks around the east have been in a situation where they've been baited to come up to a cage. When a cage diver is in the water, they have a wetsuit on, they smell the same as us on a surfboard. Pretty simple to put the two together, even for a pre-historic eating machine like a shark.



Perhaps being on a 10 Foot longboard is a bit of a deterrent, it may make us look almost as big as them, and therefore a bit more of a threat, unlike a short boarder or a biscuit.....

well this latest attack blows that theory out of the water.

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Cobra said..

MichaelR said..

laceys lane said...



No cages for starters. Dumbest thing ever



If a shark hangs around and menaces the bullet.



It it attacks someone no mucking for 2 days thinking about it.



Treat them like dog attacks



More deterrent research. Something that they wont go near but safe to them and everything else ie other marine life, would be the ultimate

I read an article recently stating that cage diving for sharks is teaching them that where ever there is a boat, there is food, food in the form of a human. The sharks travel very long distances along our coasts and it wouldn't be unreasonable to think that some of the sharks around the east have been in a situation where they've been baited to come up to a cage. When a cage diver is in the water, they have a wetsuit on, they smell the same as us on a surfboard. Pretty simple to put the two together, even for a pre-historic eating machine like a shark.



Perhaps being on a 10 Foot longboard is a bit of a deterrent, it may make us look almost as big as them, and therefore a bit more of a threat, unlike a short boarder or a biscuit.....

well this latest attack blows that theory out of the water.

I don't think there is a cage diving operation to observe sharks on the east coast. I could be wrong though.

Just heard he is a local surfer,he was out on his own on a surf ski,I know of him but I don't know him very well!...

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laceys lane said..
As us experts say you have more chance of being struck by lightning.

But hell,dont go in a dusk

Dont go in at dawn

Dont go in if the water is murky


Dont go in if it raining

Dont go in river mouths

Dont go in reefs

Dont go in whale season

dont go in fish season

Dont go in full moon

Dont wee in the water

Dont bleed in the water.


however I cant stress enough you have nothing to be concerned about.


enjoy your surfing by following these simple easy to adhere to rules.



more chance of being struck be lightning

More chance of dyeing just surfing
www.abc.net.au/news/2015-09-03/another-australian-surfer-dies-in-indonesia-police-say/6747634

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Surf69 said..

obct said..
I have no opinions either way, I don’t know who to believe, the people who say there a too many or the people who say there are not enough, and I’m certain that neither party will ever concede that the other may have a point.


But like MR, I do feel strongly about one thing, we should not go out of our way to interact with these creatures on any level, other than to fulfil the need for basic scientific data.

Running a commercial enterprise to take people out to bait these creatures in various parts of the world, for the delight of shipboard passengers or caged divers, under the guise of increasing our understanding of them, does not pass muster in terms of “The scientific method”.


We may feel altruistic about it, but I’m sure the wild animals don’t see it that way.

OBCT
Dont believe people... Problem with our world today is that people take a stance on a variety of Issues especially politics based on who they like or dislike, what people tell them or what they "chose" to believe, what the media may tell basically, a range of information that is someone elses point of view or propaganda that is being pushed with some momentum. All media will deliver a biased point of view for or against everything and anything. Unfortunately some people believe they are being given well balanced facts, which is rarely the case.

To really understand the issues particularly those associated with politics and in this case the natural environment, the only real way to make a positive contribution that is going to make a difference of substancial value is to understand the facts by reviewing the available reasearch, then understanding why that ressearch has been commisioned and who by. So its actually quite time consuming and people as a rash generalisation cant be stuffed and therefore end up taking on the opinions off someone else who they beelieve should know wwhat the heck they are talking about - There lies the problem


James Cook University, UWA, CSIRO and Respected Shark research Biologist, have really good and accurate data and are constantly trying to improve this. CSIRO arent allowed to enter into dialogue and its politically incorrrect ffor universitys to do so, however having said that the information is aviaalable from them to review....it just takes time :(

I have a certain opinion based on my understanding and it's sumed up by one word " Sustainability " what ever we do to manage the Shark Human interaction needs to be sustainable. Regardless what we do it needs to be PROVEN to be sustainable, so before we take any action we neeed to understand.

We should not cause an imballance to marine ecosystems, like we have with other eco-systems with the introduction of Cane Toads as an example. Removing one species could result in an explosion of another spiecies that could result in catasrophic impacts to our world?

One thing we should not base our actions on is fear or mis-understanding. As a Sandgroper i think its great that the authoritiees in NSW are taking a rational approach and trying to understand before reacting with exspensive, inefective and pointless management techniques. Regrdless of how they chose to move forward atleast the effort appears to be going into trying to make a rational decision based on research and feed back.

I liken the secanrio to people who vote for an independant or minor party as they dont want to vote Labour or liberal when infact there Vote will go to either Labour or Liberal but they wouldnt know which one its going to.

Dont trust people - trust a review of available facts - your decision is then educated regardlesss of what it is.

Sorry Rant over.

I think we caused an imbalance to marine ecosystems a long long time ago through overfishing which has resulted in less natural food for sharks and maybe why they are coming in closer more frequently,the food chain in the oceans is way out of kilter there is nothing sustainable in the way we mass harvest certain species of fish and other marine life and great whites have been protected and also encouraged to come closer in by tuna farms,cage diving and a decrease in fish stocks in general.if you want to see how unbalanced the marine ecosystem is theres a great yet disappointing dvd called Fishing which illustrates it