www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Surfing/Longboarding/Modern-Love-Child?page=1

An older thread ^^^^^ but was wondering if anyone has any more to add on the performance and build quality with either the lovechild or ECS Drifter. I'm thinking I'm liking the look of the 7"

Thanks.

I have the MLC in 7'6"... I run it as a quad with large FCS II Performers. I'm 51yo and 115kg... been surfing for over 35yrs... past my best but still go OK.

I have had mine for over 2yrs now. Board is very versatile and apart from a 9'6" mal is my go-to board for all conditions from waist high up to 1.5x head. Have not had it in barrelling waves, but plenty of sucky fast beach breaks, as well as the odd fat-burger slower wave. Board is surprising agile for it's size and generally performs well. Did not take me long to have it dialled in after transition off my 7'3" 7S epoxy SuperFish.

As for build quality it's fine... the deck is quite 'golf-balled' from knee and heal dents but there's no fractures along the stringer or anything. It's had plenty of use...

And I just saw someone on a 6'8" last week up at Exmouth and they were going OK getting plenty of waves.

I'd classify it as a good transition board for someone who needs a bit more length and volume but not yet ready to commit to a longboard full time.

hope that helps.

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GPA said..
I have the MLC in 7'6"... I run it as a quad with large FCS II Performers. I'm 51yo and 115kg... been surfing for over 35yrs... past my best but still go OK.

I have had mine for over 2yrs now. Board is very versatile and apart from a 9'6" mal is my go-to board for all conditions from waist high up to 1.5x head. Have not had it in barrelling waves, but plenty of sucky fast beach breaks, as well as the odd fat-burger slower wave. Board is surprising agile for it's size and generally performs well. Did not take me long to have it dialled in after transition off my 7'3" 7S epoxy SuperFish.

As for build quality it's fine... the deck is quite 'golf-balled' from knee and heal dents but there's no fractures along the stringer or anything. It's had plenty of use...

And I just saw someone on a 6'8" last week up at Exmouth and they were going OK getting plenty of waves.

I'd classify it as a good transition board for someone who needs a bit more length and volume but not yet ready to commit to a longboard full time.

hope that helps.

Thanks, love this bit, and I've modified it to suit myself - "I'm 51yo and 90kg... been surfing for over 35yrs... past my best but still go OK."
I just sold 6'4" that I thought I could still surf but was all too much hard work. I also have a 7'8" minimal I have using and liking but something in between the two takes my interest. I'm not really too keen on the larger shortboard thing though.

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I'd classify it as a good transition board for someone who needs a bit more length and volume but not yet ready to commit to a longboard full time.

hope that helps.

that sounds like me. haa
still want to ride a shortboard, but getting old sucks and these appeal to me. nose volume but nice pulled in tail for performance.
And the option of single, 2+1 or quad is also appealing.

You need to check into the "midlength room"

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bobajob said..
www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Surfing/Longboarding/Modern-Love-Child?page=1

An older thread ^^^^^ but was wondering if anyone has any more to add on the performance and build quality with either the lovechild or ECS Drifter. I'm thinking I'm liking the look of the 7"

Thanks.

I'll be honest, I think buying these cheap popout boards from Thailand or China or whatever is bad for surfing... We need to support the guys that design and shape and support our local surf industry.

When you support a local shaper I 100% beleive you get a better board, a board you love more and a board that develops your surfing more... which means you love surfing more.

So many amazing local shapers are struggling to make a buck because everyone these days wants cheap instead of great.

Personally, i'd rather have a 3 board quiver of awesome handshaped boards than a shed full of boards that are doing nothing but taking away from our sport and creating more land full when they break and get dumped...

Rant over...

Fair point Andy.
If i find someone to shape me something similar then cool beans.

Anyone know if you can duck dive a 7 foot lovechild?

I had the 6'2 Drifter mid to late last year or about that time the year before. It went best as a quad, but the chunky rail wouldn't hold a high line to generate as much speed as I'm used too. Basically felt slow...there are much better fun boards out there...

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CAUTION said..
Fair point Andy.
If i find someone to shape me something similar then cool beans.

Anyone know if you can duck dive a 7 foot lovechild?

Yes, I can duck-dive my 7'6" pretty well - but then I have 115kg to push it down!

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CAUTION said..
Fair point Andy.
If i find someone to shape me something similar then cool beans.

Anyone know if you can duck dive a 7 foot lovechild?

I reckon if you spoke to Steve from Clearwater and told him what you were after he would shape you something with similar style only WAY better and for about the same price. One of my buddies has a CW Nomad and it goes unreal...

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onefin said..
You need to check into the "midlength room"

Minimals aren't midlengths

Mct sumo might be a decent option.
Takayama scorpion is worth a look too.
Dvs also make a similar shape.

Like SP said. A lot of shapers make that type of board. Keep an eye on Gumtree and Facebook pages and you may come up trumps.

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McHenry said..
Like SP said. A lot of shapers make that type of board. Keep an eye on Gumtree and Facebook pages and you may come up trumps.

I reckon an 8' wizzstick would be perfect, think there's one going cheap...

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bobajob said..
www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Surfing/Longboarding/Modern-Love-Child?page=1

An older thread ^^^^^ but was wondering if anyone has any more to add on the performance and build quality with either the lovechild or ECS Drifter. I'm thinking I'm liking the look of the 7"

Thanks.

I'll be honest, I think buying these cheap popout boards from Thailand or China or whatever is bad for surfing... We need to support the guys that design and shape and support our local surf industry.

When you support a local shaper I 100% beleive you get a better board, a board you love more and a board that develops your surfing more... which means you love surfing more.

So many amazing local shapers are struggling to make a buck because everyone these days wants cheap instead of great.

Personally, i'd rather have a 3 board quiver of awesome handshaped boards than a shed full of boards that are doing nothing but taking away from our sport and creating more land full when they break and get dumped...

Rant over...

I 100% agree with you Andy...if board designs could be patented the cheap offshore manufacturers would be out of business.
They take a great design e.g. McT Fireball and duplicate it hav'n never taken the time and effort/experimentation/dedication to design a good board..blatant rip offs.

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surfbroker said..

AndyrooMac said..

bobajob said..
www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Surfing/Longboarding/Modern-Love-Child?page=1

An older thread ^^^^^ but was wondering if anyone has any more to add on the performance and build quality with either the lovechild or ECS Drifter. I'm thinking I'm liking the look of the 7"

Thanks.

I'll be honest, I think buying these cheap popout boards from Thailand or China or whatever is bad for surfing... We need to support the guys that design and shape and support our local surf industry.

When you support a local shaper I 100% beleive you get a better board, a board you love more and a board that develops your surfing more... which means you love surfing more.

So many amazing local shapers are struggling to make a buck because everyone these days wants cheap instead of great.

Personally, i'd rather have a 3 board quiver of awesome handshaped boards than a shed full of boards that are doing nothing but taking away from our sport and creating more land full when they break and get dumped...

Rant over...

I 100% agree with you Andy...if board designs could be patented the cheap offshore manufacturers would be out of business.
They take a great design e.g. McT Fireball and duplicate it hav'n never taken the time and effort/experimentation/dedication to design a good board..blatant rip offs.

Cheers dude... I mean some of these boards are decent, a local guy has one of those SB Warehouse Carbon Jets, I had a try and it goes fine... But I felt dirty riding it and compared to my Ryan Lovelace it really paled in comparison. I LOVE surfing and I want to support our industry, I want to support those that are being creative and innovating and progressive, those that are putting back into our industry and NOT those that are using surfing purely as a vehicle for making dirty money

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AndyrooMac said..

surfbroker said..

AndyrooMac said..

bobajob said..
www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Surfing/Longboarding/Modern-Love-Child?page=1

An older thread ^^^^^ but was wondering if anyone has any more to add on the performance and build quality with either the lovechild or ECS Drifter. I'm thinking I'm liking the look of the 7"

Thanks.

I'll be honest, I think buying these cheap popout boards from Thailand or China or whatever is bad for surfing... We need to support the guys that design and shape and support our local surf industry.

When you support a local shaper I 100% beleive you get a better board, a board you love more and a board that develops your surfing more... which means you love surfing more.

So many amazing local shapers are struggling to make a buck because everyone these days wants cheap instead of great.

Personally, i'd rather have a 3 board quiver of awesome handshaped boards than a shed full of boards that are doing nothing but taking away from our sport and creating more land full when they break and get dumped...

Rant over...

I 100% agree with you Andy...if board designs could be patented the cheap offshore manufacturers would be out of business.
They take a great design e.g. McT Fireball and duplicate it hav'n never taken the time and effort/experimentation/dedication to design a good board..blatant rip offs.

Cheers dude... I mean some of these boards are decent, a local guy has one of those SB Warehouse Carbon Jets, I had a try and it goes fine... But I felt dirty riding it and compared to my Ryan Lovelace it really paled in comparison. I LOVE surfing and I want to support our industry, I want to support those that are being creative and innovating and progressive, those that are putting back into our industry and NOT those that are using surfing purely as a vehicle for making dirty money

Is the carbon jet the beau young one? Similar to the wombat? What size was it? What did you think.

i dug up a few photos of Ross at Soul shaping some nice mid lenghts with pulled in tails on an old SB post.
Look frothtastic and agree my soul would feel free-er and cleaner and hi-zen with some locally shaped foam.
now to rob a bank...

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SP said..

AndyrooMac said..

surfbroker said..

AndyrooMac said..

bobajob said..
www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Surfing/Longboarding/Modern-Love-Child?page=1

An older thread ^^^^^ but was wondering if anyone has any more to add on the performance and build quality with either the lovechild or ECS Drifter. I'm thinking I'm liking the look of the 7"

Thanks.

I'll be honest, I think buying these cheap popout boards from Thailand or China or whatever is bad for surfing... We need to support the guys that design and shape and support our local surf industry.

When you support a local shaper I 100% beleive you get a better board, a board you love more and a board that develops your surfing more... which means you love surfing more.

So many amazing local shapers are struggling to make a buck because everyone these days wants cheap instead of great.

Personally, i'd rather have a 3 board quiver of awesome handshaped boards than a shed full of boards that are doing nothing but taking away from our sport and creating more land full when they break and get dumped...

Rant over...

I 100% agree with you Andy...if board designs could be patented the cheap offshore manufacturers would be out of business.
They take a great design e.g. McT Fireball and duplicate it hav'n never taken the time and effort/experimentation/dedication to design a good board..blatant rip offs.

Cheers dude... I mean some of these boards are decent, a local guy has one of those SB Warehouse Carbon Jets, I had a try and it goes fine... But I felt dirty riding it and compared to my Ryan Lovelace it really paled in comparison. I LOVE surfing and I want to support our industry, I want to support those that are being creative and innovating and progressive, those that are putting back into our industry and NOT those that are using surfing purely as a vehicle for making dirty money

Is the carbon jet the beau young one? Similar to the wombat? What size was it? What did you think.

Was a 6'10"... decent board and performed nice... but really, i find those boards feel kinda cheep (and they are). I brought 7' MCT Bobsled popout 2nd hand for $150 and have surfed the 7s boards and they reallly go well, but they kinda feel cheap or soulless or something... especially after riding a beautiful hand made job. I though about one as a travel board but then, when you travel you want to enjoy the surf you've invested in so I think i'll just take the Lizzy and wrap it in fckn kevlar to protect it

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AndyrooMac said..

SP said..

AndyrooMac said..

surfbroker said..

AndyrooMac said..

bobajob said..
www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Surfing/Longboarding/Modern-Love-Child?page=1

An older thread ^^^^^ but was wondering if anyone has any more to add on the performance and build quality with either the lovechild or ECS Drifter. I'm thinking I'm liking the look of the 7"

Thanks.

I'll be honest, I think buying these cheap popout boards from Thailand or China or whatever is bad for surfing... We need to support the guys that design and shape and support our local surf industry.

When you support a local shaper I 100% beleive you get a better board, a board you love more and a board that develops your surfing more... which means you love surfing more.

So many amazing local shapers are struggling to make a buck because everyone these days wants cheap instead of great.

Personally, i'd rather have a 3 board quiver of awesome handshaped boards than a shed full of boards that are doing nothing but taking away from our sport and creating more land full when they break and get dumped...

Rant over...

I 100% agree with you Andy...if board designs could be patented the cheap offshore manufacturers would be out of business.
They take a great design e.g. McT Fireball and duplicate it hav'n never taken the time and effort/experimentation/dedication to design a good board..blatant rip offs.

Cheers dude... I mean some of these boards are decent, a local guy has one of those SB Warehouse Carbon Jets, I had a try and it goes fine... But I felt dirty riding it and compared to my Ryan Lovelace it really paled in comparison. I LOVE surfing and I want to support our industry, I want to support those that are being creative and innovating and progressive, those that are putting back into our industry and NOT those that are using surfing purely as a vehicle for making dirty money

Is the carbon jet the beau young one? Similar to the wombat? What size was it? What did you think.

Was a 6'10"... decent board and performed nice... but really, i find those boards feel kinda cheep (and they are). I brought 7' MCT Bobsled popout 2nd hand for $150 and have surfed the 7s boards and they reallly go well, but they kinda feel cheap or soulless or something... especially after riding a beautiful hand made job. I though about one as a travel board but then, when you travel you want to enjoy the surf you've invested in so I think i'll just take the Lizzy and wrap it in fckn kevlar to protect it

Yeah I Don't buy cheap ****. Prefer to get boards shaped by the bloke on the label.

But the line is becoming more blurred with labels getting boards cut and finished in differet locations. Lost for instance. Even takayama.

Obviously if they're cut and scrubbed locally it's good for the local shapers having work but still is that really good for the whole industry?

Seems like some shapers have become brands. Maybe the big issue is the average surfer. A lot don't think a hand finished board is any better then a machine produced board. The big shortboard brands have thrived on being able to pick up a board of the rack.

Then you have brands like firewire. Leading the way in design and tech and not made in a traditional way.

And then the weirdest thing is the biggest selling board in the world is a cheap foamy.

Maybe their is a place for all of them. Could the industry just need better product differentiation?

Agree with SB too. Imagine the royalties that would flow to Tak if his designs were patented. Every one from cheap mass produced rubbish to lazy local Shapers have knocked his designs off and sold them as their own.

Great thread

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SP said..

AndyrooMac said..

SP said..

AndyrooMac said..

surfbroker said..

AndyrooMac said..

bobajob said..
www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Surfing/Longboarding/Modern-Love-Child?page=1

An older thread ^^^^^ but was wondering if anyone has any more to add on the performance and build quality with either the lovechild or ECS Drifter. I'm thinking I'm liking the look of the 7"

Thanks.

I'll be honest, I think buying these cheap popout boards from Thailand or China or whatever is bad for surfing... We need to support the guys that design and shape and support our local surf industry.

When you support a local shaper I 100% beleive you get a better board, a board you love more and a board that develops your surfing more... which means you love surfing more.

So many amazing local shapers are struggling to make a buck because everyone these days wants cheap instead of great.

Personally, i'd rather have a 3 board quiver of awesome handshaped boards than a shed full of boards that are doing nothing but taking away from our sport and creating more land full when they break and get dumped...

Rant over...

I 100% agree with you Andy...if board designs could be patented the cheap offshore manufacturers would be out of business.
They take a great design e.g. McT Fireball and duplicate it hav'n never taken the time and effort/experimentation/dedication to design a good board..blatant rip offs.

Cheers dude... I mean some of these boards are decent, a local guy has one of those SB Warehouse Carbon Jets, I had a try and it goes fine... But I felt dirty riding it and compared to my Ryan Lovelace it really paled in comparison. I LOVE surfing and I want to support our industry, I want to support those that are being creative and innovating and progressive, those that are putting back into our industry and NOT those that are using surfing purely as a vehicle for making dirty money

Is the carbon jet the beau young one? Similar to the wombat? What size was it? What did you think.

Was a 6'10"... decent board and performed nice... but really, i find those boards feel kinda cheep (and they are). I brought 7' MCT Bobsled popout 2nd hand for $150 and have surfed the 7s boards and they reallly go well, but they kinda feel cheap or soulless or something... especially after riding a beautiful hand made job. I though about one as a travel board but then, when you travel you want to enjoy the surf you've invested in so I think i'll just take the Lizzy and wrap it in fckn kevlar to protect it

Yeah I Don't buy cheap ****. Prefer to get boards shaped by the bloke on the label.

But the line is becoming more blurred with labels getting boards cut and finished in differet locations. Lost for instance. Even takayama.

Obviously if they're cut and scrubbed locally it's good for the local shapers having work but still is that really good for the whole industry?

Seems like some shapers have become brands. Maybe the big issue is the average surfer. A lot don't think a hand finished board is any better then a machine produced board. The big shortboard brands have thrived on being able to pick up a board of the rack.

Then you have brands like firewire. Leading the way in design and tech and not made in a traditional way.

And then the weirdest thing is the biggest selling board in the world is a cheap foamy.

Maybe their is a place for all of them. Could the industry just need better product differentiation?

Agree with SB too. Imagine the royalties that would flow to Tak if his designs were patented. Every one from cheap mass produced rubbish to lazy local Shapers have knocked his designs off and sold them as their own.

I have no issue with local guys using a machine to do the basic shape and then sand aka MCT, Clearwater etc etc, at least these boards are being made in Australia or America or whatever. This therefore means they have to meet local environmental and health and safety standards and support the local surf industry.

The issue with the China/Thailand/Vietnam boards is both the budget/disposable nature of the boards and then the secondary issue that the staff working in these factories are working in appalling conditions with zero concern for H&S. so every time you buy a board from these guys you are supporting mistreatment of staff as well as taking from the soul of our sport...

Reality is, even a foamy can be made sustainable and locally, in fact more sustainable even, check this podcast with Dave Allee from Almond surfboards, its a cracker. Their new R-Series soft top is getting rave reviews for performance and ticks A LOT of enviro responsibility boxes, i'd be super keen on an 8'er when they make one.

surfsplendorpodcast.com/226-almonds-surfboards-dave-allee/

Personally i'd like to see GSI/SB Warehouse/Wavestorm ETC eat sh1t and go bankrupt... In fact, I would not buy a board from Creative Army again, even though they are unreal because he's devalued his brand and sold out to the corporate machine...

We only have a small space of time and opportunity to do the right thing and support what we love... its a cliche but be part of the problem or part of the solution

Had both local customs and pop out shortboards, mini mals and mals.

Quality, performance and general durability of a locally made board s***ts all over the pop outs.

There is also the great connection you have with a shaper when they make you a board, particularly if you both surf the same break.

If I can't afford a new custom I just look for second hand ones.

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Souwester said..
Had both local customs and pop out shortboards, mini mals and mals.

Quality, performance and general durability of a locally made board s***ts all over the pop outs.

There is also the great connection you have with a shaper when they make you a board, particularly if you both surf the same break.

If I can't afford a new custom I just look for second hand ones.

Bang on

"If I can't afford a new custom I just look for second hand ones."

i would not buy a Creative Army again!!! even though they are unreal strange thing to say also you probably have no problem driving your Asain built car to the surf then slipping on your Thailand made Rip Curl wetsuit then ringing your boyfriend on your Chinese made phone,Its a Industry just like any other really when you think about its about sliding along a wave on bit of product nothing more

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mike3217 said..
i would not buy a Creative Army again!!! even though they are unreal strange thing to say also you probably have no problem driving your Asain built car to the surf then slipping on your Thailand made Rip Curl wetsuit then ringing your boyfriend on your Chinese made phone,Its a Industry just like any other really when you think about its about sliding along a wave on bit of product nothing more

I 100% disagree with you dude... those things are a utility and surfing is a lifestyle.

But then, I place strong consideration over everything I buy be it food or clothes or whatever... I get that most stuff these days is made OS, but you can look at how the company is doing things, like Vissla or Patagonia for example are where my wetties come from, these guys are doing it right... I look for Sustainable sources of anything I buy.

And I totally disagree with "when you think about its about sliding along a wave on bit of product nothing more" For me, I think your totally missing the biggest part of surfing... For me the being on the wave is a tiny piece of the equation, surfing is connection with nature and the universe, its removing yourself from your day to day and experiencing something more, something that is a release. I know many that Surfing is pure therapy and they would probably not still be here were it not for surfing.

But I think you suggesting i'm gay as an attempted insult pretty much sums you up, wow... to still be a homophobe in 2018, go you

The issue with the China/Thailand/Vietnam boards is both the budget/disposable nature of the boards and then the secondary issue that the staff working in these factories are working in appalling conditions with zero concern for H&S. so every time you buy a board from these guys you are supporting mistreatment of staff as well as taking from the soul of our sport..

those working conditions actually sound similar to most custom factories in Oz ha ha. the shaper might make enough to get by but ask an Oz glasser / sander how much he gets paid. I bet he can't afford his rent without his side drug business haha ..Might be a little better condition wise in Oz but not much. Probably why the boards glassed by contract glassers are as week as piss even if Oz made.
There are some exceptions but just because you buy an Oz made board doesn't guarantee quality.

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The issue with the China/Thailand/Vietnam boards is both the budget/disposable nature of the boards and then the secondary issue that the staff working in these factories are working in appalling conditions with zero concern for H&S. so every time you buy a board from these guys you are supporting mistreatment of staff as well as taking from the soul of our sport..

those working conditions actually sound similar to most custom factories in Oz ha ha. the shaper might make enough to get by but ask an Oz glasser / sander how much he gets paid. I bet he can't afford his rent without his side drug business haha ..Might be a little better condition wise in Oz but not much. Probably why the boards glassed by contract glassers are as week as piss even if Oz made.
There are some exceptions but just because you buy an Oz made board doesn't guarantee quality.

That's actually very true, custom boards are definitely too cheap and I think many of those guys feel they need to be cheap to compete with these cheap imports when actually they don't, because mostly those imports are utter sh1t.

Reality is most shapers aren't good business men, they're surfers that start shaping. But there are exceptions like MCT, Christensen, Pieter etc that know that if they build a great product and finish it well, if they expose their product through social media they can charge more and therefore make a decent income whilst not getting rich... besides Bob of course...

Imports verses locally made.

Some very true comments made above.

There is nothing better than going to your local board manufacturer and talking sh-t, the stoke they have is
one beautiful thing about a locally made board, the others are the process of ordering a custom, you can play with
designs, play with art and have it all documented for you and how bloody good is Pieter's when it comes to that.
In these times of imports killing the local product, its vital our guys focus on design and quality and outstanding
customer service, which I believe they are doing a great job at. Another is you can pick up the phone and talk to
the local guys, call in and have a chat face to face, smell the glass,I love the smell of a surfboard factory.
Also its important that most local guys are surfing the same waves we are and know what works and what dosent.
Bob, Piete , Steve Del, are all frothers ,I see the passion in their eyes.Now you cant get that from an import can you!

Imports have their place, for people on a budget and new comers to surfing, do you think once people get more knowledge
they will then trade up to a locally made product,I think some do not all but some do!

Quality, design , custom made and customer service will win long term.

We have some of the BEST surfboard manufactures in the world in our backyard and we all should support them if we can.

Signed make Australia great again!

This is why I dislike kelly Slater and his BS marketing so much . The king now peddles pop outs , has now proven he is a money over morals ,money over a third world workers health man ......,money is his new legacy no matter what good he has done.

Kelly has set the standards for pop outs and screwing the industry

well for some it seems that hypocrisy is ones greatest asset,just have great marketing and the sheep will follow

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chrispy said..
This is why I dislike kelly Slater and his BS marketing so much . The king now peddles pop outs , has now proven he is a money over morals ,money over a third world workers health man ......,money is his new legacy no matter what good he has done.

Kelly has set the standards for pop outs and screwing the industry

well for some it seems that hypocrisy is ones greatest asset,just have great marketing and the sheep will follow

Also if you look at the power of social media its massive,one product placement sells thousands to the sheep as Chrispy rightly puts it.

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Macaha said..
Imports verses locally made.

Some very true comments made above.

There is nothing better than going to your local board manufacturer and talking sh-t, the stoke they have is
one beautiful thing about a locally made board, the others are the process of ordering a custom, you can play with
designs, play with art and have it all documented for you and how bloody good is Pieter's when it comes to that.
In these times of imports killing the local product, its vital our guys focus on design and quality and outstanding
customer service, which I believe they are doing a great job at. Another is you can pick up the phone and talk to
the local guys, call in and have a chat face to face, smell the glass,I love the smell of a surfboard factory.
Also its important that most local guys are surfing the same waves we are and know what works and what dosent.
Bob, Piete , Steve Del, are all frothers ,I see the passion in their eyes.Now you cant get that from an import can you!

Imports have their place, for people on a budget and new comers to surfing, do you think once people get more knowledge
they will then trade up to a locally made product,I think some do not all but some do!

Quality, design , custom made and customer service will win long term.

We have some of the BEST surfboard manufactures in the world in our backyard and we all should support them if we can.

Signed make Australia great again!

Totally agree dude